Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - MTP-LCD-FRC- July 28/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

richmondrose wrote:

StacyNor wrote:

atem wrote:No one's answered me how this is any different than Juan Pablo and Clare.

As for Kelly, she needs to chill.  I don't get the over the top shrill tweets.

No Difference at all. God doesn't like ugly Andi she accused JP doing the same thing she did to her contestants   her actions are much worse because she comes off as a hypocrite. ABC should do the same thing they did on Andi's poster to the next bachelor because the is not much difference between Juan and Andi.

Andi definitely is a hypocrite. She was constantly nagging at Josh about her fear of him cheating on her and yet at the end of the day, she did that exact same thing. High five to Nick for having the balls to expose her for what she really is. Hopefully, Mama Murray will knock some sense into her son before it's too late.

Ash2214 wrote:

atem wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

Stating that he had sex with Andi in the fantasy suite on live television knowing millions are watching including Andi's family, his own family and Josh's family? That's nasty to me. He didn't need to declare it.

When is it ok to declare it?

Exactly. It's not. And to do it on live television with millions watching and that includes family and loved ones of many people involved. Gross.

Ash2214 wrote:

atem wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

Stating that he had sex with Andi in the fantasy suite on live television knowing millions are watching including Andi's family, his own family and Josh's family? That's nasty to me. He didn't need to declare it.

When is it ok to declare it?

Exactly. It's not. And to do it on live television with millions watching and that includes family and loved ones of many people involved. Gross.

sdmom wrote:I with  Nick didn't bring that up, but every action you take comes a consequence. So, Andi is an adult, and she did it willingly. Why just blame Nick? If Andi knew from day 1 Josh's the one, why slept with Nick?

Cecilia wrote:It's a fact people!! She slept with Nick and she knew he was in love with her. How do you turn this around against Nick unless you are completely crazy?

atem wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

atem wrote:

When is it ok to declare it?

Exactly. It's not. And to do it on live television with millions watching and that includes family and loved ones of many people involved. Gross.

So, sleep around but act like it didn't happen.  OK.  Another lesson for the teens in America to look up to.

Cari wrote:And when you've taken down your guard
If I could change your mind,
I'd really love to break your heart
I'd really love to break your heart  :broken heart:
Shout, shout, let it all out (break your heart)
These are the things I can do without  (I'd really love to break your heart)
Come on, I'm talking to you come on

Cari wrote:Those one track minds that took you for a working boy
Kiss them goodbye, you shouldn't have to jump for joy
You shouldn't have to jump for joy

Cari wrote:I've a friend who is unspoiled and knows nothing of TPTB's "manipulations" , picked Nick as F1. After watching episode 9, she told me "i think you're right about Josh" (as my F1 pick). Then she said... "Nick's gonna be so devastated!!!!"

Season after season, it does not matter whether my F1 pick wins or not, my heart always bleeds for the F2. Because I love Nick (Ben F was ok while i disliked Clare from the beginning), my mind cannot imagine the confident Nick being let go. argggh... i'm getting sad again. That is why when he tweeted Tears For Fears' Shout i felt it was a shout out.... Then that "letter" given to Andi before the MTA. Was it Cat who tweeted and said that it was totally Nick's?

Not sure of the timing of Nick's tweet on the song "Shout" and the taping of the MTA. Whether it is related or not. Whether Nick did write the letter and tried to "change Andi's mind", i think Shout really is a sad, sad song that fits the F2's state of mind/heart....

moving my "Shout" related posts here in the Twitter thread....

Cari wrote:I’ve backread all your wonderful episode 9 analysis!    *slowclap*

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and what did Nick just tweet?!!?!!

little bit of 80's with some funk! Tears for Fears - Shout (Avenue Remix) on @hypem mobile http://hypem.com/track/21n3x - @viallnicholas28

My knee jerk reaction was “YAY! I LOVE YOU, NICK! I SUPER LOVE TEARS FOR FEARS!” then at the same breath I realized, wait..

Is this tweet sorta a cryptic message to Andi?  

Ok, hear me out! My “theory” is not one bit favoring Nick as F1. This tweet may be nothing HOWEVER, the lyrics seemed to be a shout out. Because Shout is not a love song. In fact, the lyrics show how bitter he is  

a lil background. Y’all have to understand, Tears for Fears is like Beatles for the 80s generation in the Philippines. And Nick is how old? Anyway, when they went here for a concert, it was jam-packed! SRO, from wall to wall in Araneta Coliseum that can sit around 10,000++ people. “Shout” and “Everybody Rules The World” are like two of their well-loved songs. Like a National Anthem of sorts! We know the lyrics by heart. Check out my concert video when they were here in Manila 2012.


*chapark is my pseudonym  


When Tears for Fears sang “Shout”. Everyone went berserk, sang/danced and “partied” like crazy!

Sing along with my video with the following lyrics.

Observe how the chorus, “I’m talking to you” is repeated. As if a mantra.  

Shout, shout, let it all out
These are the things I can do without
Come on, I'm talking to you come on (2x)

In violent times, you shouldn't have to sell your soul
In black and white, they really really ought to know
Those one track minds that took you for a working boy
Kiss them goodbye, you shouldn't have to jump for joy
You shouldn't have to jump for joy

Shout, shout, let it all out
These are the things I can do without
Come on, I'm talking to you, come on

They gave you life, and in return you gave them hell
As cold as ice, I hope we live to tell the tale
I hope we live to tell the tale

Shout, shout, let it all out
These are the things I can do without
Come on, I'm talking to you, come on (3x)

And around 3:50,

And when you've taken down your guard
If I could change your mind,
I'd really love to break your heart
I'd really love to break your heart  :broken heart:
Shout, shout, let it all out (break your heart)
These are the things I can do without  (I'd really love to break your heart)
Come on, I'm talking to you come on


Doesn’t it seemed like a shoutout to Andi?    

Cari wrote:

LibbyBell wrote:Cari, interesting points re: Tears for Fears and Shout! During the day portion of Nick's FS, he mentioned that he takes breaking up hard and that with his engagement, he was mostly embarrassed. Well that was in the privacy of his own life and home-- can you imagine how he is going to feel if/when Andi breaks up with him?!?! I wouldn't call it embarrassed-- it will be utter humiliation, not to mention all done in the PUBLIC! I could see him being a "little bitter". Interesting that he is starting to tweet things now.
OT--I'm glad that you weathered the storm and are ok!

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I know imma   on Nick's tweet re: the Shout song. It is possible he just liked the song. Fine. But i really, really cannot shake this feeling it is a shoutout not only for Andi but also for TPTB!

Again, again hear me out.

IF Nick is F2, of which i now sincerely believe. I am sad for him because he din't think he was "manipulated" by TPTB. I utterly believe, he was led to think he is the F1. The flowers. The sneaking over. The "stealing" of time with Andi EVEN IF he had already a rose and God knows what else, make me believe he was prodded by the producers!! Poor Nick! As i already mentioned in my previous posts, it is consistent with the stories of past contestants. I would feel betrayed. Who wouldn't?!

If Nick's shoutout to Andi was

Cari wrote:And when you've taken down your guard
If I could change your mind,
I'd really love to break your heart
I'd really love to break your heart  :broken heart:
Shout, shout, let it all out (break your heart)
These are the things I can do without  (I'd really love to break your heart)
Come on, I'm talking to you come on

So what is Nick's shoutout to TPTB?

Cari wrote:Those one track minds that took you for a working boy
Kiss them goodbye, you shouldn't have to jump for joy
You shouldn't have to jump for joy

Fine. I'm overanalyzing over nothing!    

stuckinsc wrote:I am not a fan of Nick saying that they made love, but it wasn't a snarky question.  She was claiming she never loved him, so he asked then why did they make love?  To me that isn't a snark, it was more of if you didn't feel for me then why do that?

And he also tried to talk it out before tonight and she refused.  She could have spared herself the on-air confrontation.  

She could have even just said the morning she let him go that she loved Josh more.  

She didn't do either of those things.  She had her chance to not have this out on national tv and she didn't.  She has to take some responsibility too.

It took two to tango in the FS, so she should have talked it out with him and been honest.

Those who have hated Nick will continue to hate him, those of us who didn't like MeAndI will continue to not like her.  I wish Josh the best, but I won't follow this couple.

Also Nick was probably forced to do a lot of stuff due to the plane video, the threat of a 5 million dollar lawsuit would make me do things I might not want to do.

ElonM wrote:

Cecilia wrote:It's a fact people!! She slept with Nick and she knew he was in love with her. How do you turn this around against Nick unless you are completely crazy?

YUP, she knew he was a skeptic, she reassured, made him a believer, then slept with him only to say that she was in love with another man from the inception.  Good job Andi. She should have taken another as the F2 but she had a show to finish.

ElonM wrote:

Cecilia wrote:It's a fact people!! She slept with Nick and she knew he was in love with her. How do you turn this around against Nick unless you are completely crazy?

YUP, she knew he was a skeptic, she reassured, made him a believer, then slept with him only to say that she was in love with another man from the inception.  Good job Andi. She should have taken another as the F2 but she had a show to finish.

MiaHawk wrote:

sdmom wrote:I with  Nick didn't bring that up, but every action you take comes a consequence. So, Andi is an adult, and she did it willingly. Why just blame Nick? If Andi knew from day 1 Josh's the one, why slept with Nick?

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.  She made (love in) her bed and now she's got to lie in it.  I think it's karma.  
And for her to sit there and say she never loved Nick just proves that MeAndi was using Nick for a roll in the hay.  But she can't ruin her perfect little story about how Josh was her one and only love.  It's a catch 22.  She was an adult who made a choice to put her own pleasure above the concern of hurting somebody she had been claiming to care so much about.  It was a real skank move and I'm glad Nick made Josh aware of it.  
And if that Pitbull Kelly doesn't ease up soon, i'm going to puke.  Real loser.  Birds of a feather and all that. Feel sorry for Josh.