Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - MTP-LCD-FRC- July 28/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* #2 - Discussion

by Bet2Win Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:38 am

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by Pattycake92 Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:43 am

I like that Nick called her out. She deserved it. She basically asked for him to say it with her callous answers. That being said, I thought she and Josh looked to be in love and I wish them well. It was a GREAT season.

by Bet2Win Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:43 am

sde1041 wrote:
BKay wrote:^^ So true Eirekay. This season may have finally cured my bach addiction....maybe.

This show is getting worse and worse.
Downhill since Emily's season.
I can't even understand how the couple can be "happy" after all that. Really no pride, no conscience ?
Sorry, I am too disgusted !

see2love wrote:
StacyNor wrote:
atem wrote:No one's answered me how this is any different than Juan Pablo and Clare.

As for Kelly, she needs to chill. I don't get the over the top shrill tweets.
No Difference at all. God doesn't like ugly Andi she accused JP doing the same thing she did to her contestants her actions are much worse because she comes off as a hypocrite. ABC should do the same thing they did on Andi's poster to the next bachelor because the is not much difference between Juan and Andi.

Karma eh? She was a total bitch to JP and got hers back in spades. Not a Nick fan all season but why should he not soeak when he has the chance to tell his own story. The edit made it look like it was all in his head all season but Andi sleeping wih him shows she really did reassure him and made him the overly confident guy.

Now we know why she threw JP under the bus.....he wouldnt have sex with here but chose to talk all night instead!

chloep wrote:
Catherine Lowe

Cartoon eyeballs popping out in surprise mode. "Made love with me" eeeek. #TheBachelorette

k yost

@clmgiudici I feel so badly for him...

Catherine Lowe

@galinnevada me too he's obviously still feeling broken from it. That was coming from a sad place, not a malicious place...

by Guest Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:56 am

Glad she is iff my tv screen. Saying she loved Josh all along is a mega slap in d face.of every other guy that was on it. Eric called her out and she sent him home!
Say u felt a connection and he was one of d one u knew wld be in d top 10 but To blatantly disregard everyone else deserves her being outed like that. No sympathy from me

by Luvvy Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:58 am

Did not enjoy so much Nick tonight. I DO think he was led on by Andi. Yes, he was. No doubt about it. That being said, I think the engaged couple was cheated out of time. And I think Nick was an a-hole for calling her out about it.

As for what Andi did with Nick I do not approve. I don't see how you can get engaged to someone after sleeping with someone else not too long ago. So, yea. I can't overlook it. I can acknowledge that there's a double standard.

That being said, I believe that she did love Josh from the beginning and everything else she did was to talk herself out of the fact that he was right in front of her.It is clear from her mannerisms and body language and everything else that she's totally in love with Josh. He is over the moon with her. I think they can make it.

Just wish we got to see more of them.

Favorite part of the proposal was when Josh said at the proposal he knew no one can make her smile the way he does and he's right. It was obvious all season! JMO

by cindebugg Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:01 am

IMO Nick just confirmed what I've thought about him all season. He talks too much( and says a whole lot of nothing) and usually manages to put his foot in his mouth. I saw it on the show, in the plane video and in his tweeting since filming ended.

Now that we know the plane video is legit it seems there was a lot of Andi and Nick's last conversation we didn't hear. IMO Andi gave him all the closure he needed and deserved. He said himself he was planting seeds of doubt about Josh to her. WTF? People are calling out Andi for not respecting boundries. Seems like Nick has a problem with boundries too. So not his place to question her decisions.

Why all the slut shaming of Andi when Nick was in the room with his pants around his ankles too? He's sleeping with a woman who hasn't even said she loves him and at the time there were still 2 other men there. Oh yeah, Nick thought he was going to be the last man standing. laugh out loud

Now he's known as the kiss and tell guy who can't seal the deal in the bedroom. Another instance where he should have kept his mouth shut.

After his behavior on the ATFR I would caution any girl that wanted to date him to run like the wind. He's no gentleman. He's just a big mouth,sour grape sucking, classless jerk. Real men don't kiss and tell and real men don't kiss and tell just to exact revenge on a girl just because she didn't pick him.

If you think TPTB were going to let Nick talk to Andi without cameras present you might ought to think again.

Instead of his sister asking him if he could unapologetically be himself with Andi she should suggest he reflect on what it is he has to apologize for and change the behavior.

by luvlady345 Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:42 am

I can see why Nick relationships failed something is not quite right with Nick... Red flag was when his family told Andi about how distraught he was over his other break ups if Nick is this broken up over Andi after all these months knowing that she was dating other men, he needs therapy no way around that...

by Tnmomof4 Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:54 am

My take on what Andi was trying to communicate to Josh during the beginning of the proposal was that it took the whole season, it's ups and downs, possibly her relationship with Nick, for her to realize that she actually was in love with Josh from the start. In other words, she really didn't know, or maybe let herself know, that she loved him until that morning, after everything had played out and at that point she realized she had loved him all along.
Not to justify her sleeping with both, but I really think (at least in her mind in those moments) that at the time she did it, she still was trying to give this "different" connection she had with Nick a chance and I guess, in her world, sleeping with him would give her clarity. This was a connection th she never had had before and she confused about whether it was love or notl She hadn't let herself totally believe that she loved Josh yet. Not my cup of tea, but I think it's what's she needed to be sure.

by ironcat Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:02 am

Regarding the seeming contradiction regarding what Andi said at the FRC about being in love with Josh from day 1 and what she said on JK about not making her decision until the day of the FRC, I guess I heard things differently than most did. To me, what she said to Josh at the FRC was that the feelings he gave her from their first meeting and from every interaction since, she now, in retrospect, understands was love, although she didn't realize it at the time. It's kind of a revisionist history if you will, but I really believe her when she said on JK that she didn't completely decide that she was going to choose Josh (and fully accept that she was madly in love with him) until that last day, which is probably why she felt it was "okay" to sleep with Nick, because IMO she still hadn't firmly made up her mind who she was choosing at that point. I wonder if she had had the FD with Josh first, would she have done the same thing? no idea

I think the producers may have scheduled Nick's date first for a reason.

I certainly get why Nick fans and people who don't like Andi are outraged at her, she certainly could have handled things better. Someone weeks ago described Andi's methodology on this show as bloodless, and I really think this sums it up. I agree that she has been pissed off at Nick for the past 2 months, and receiving that letter from him where he not only poured his heart out, but also questioned her judgment and courage, probably only made her feel colder towards him, especially as she seems to be over the moon smitten with Josh right now. It's no wonder that she wouldn't give an inch about using the "L" word in relation to anything about Nick, even though it obviously would have been far more gracious of her if she had. But she is stubborn, and even moreso when she's pissed.

Regarding being in love, everyone gets so hung up on saying the words, but as so many alumni from this show have said in the past, none of them are probably really "in love" until after they get to know each other once the show ends, and IMO that includes Andi, Josh and Nick. That's not to say they don't develop intense feelings that resemble love; there's no doubt that Nick was hurting (the poor guy was shaking). And anyway, until they develop a scientific test to determine/prove who is really in love and who isn't, it's all subjective and a matter of semantics IMO.

Just chiming in, before this story grows legs and runs away, that Andi and Josh did NOT meet before, only that they saw each other across the room at a club, but didn't speak. Actually, I'm not sure Andi even acknowledged that she saw Josh, but he definitely saw her and knew that he wasn't allowed to approach her. That's hardly a big deal in my book.

eta tnmom, just saw we posted the same thing at the same time. yes

by Tnmomof4 Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:09 am

You said it much better ironcat!
To add, I wouldn't be surprised to at some point, learn that abc didn't let, or at the very least didn't encourage, Andi to speak with Nick. This was the AFTR they planned, there was no way they wanted resolution beforehand.

by USAGold Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:14 am

cindebugg wrote:IMO Nick just confirmed what I've thought about him all season. He talks too much( and says a whole lot of nothing) and usually manages to put his foot in his mouth. I saw it on the show, in the plane video and in his tweeting since filming ended.

Now that we know the plane video is legit it seems there was a lot of Andi and Nick's last conversation we didn't hear.  IMO Andi gave him all the closure he needed and deserved. He said himself he was planting seeds of doubt about Josh to her. WTF? People are calling out Andi for not respecting boundries. Seems like Nick has a problem with boundries too. So not his place to question her decisions.

Why all the slut shaming of Andi when Nick was in the room with his pants around his ankles too?  He's sleeping with a woman who hasn't even said she loves him and at the time there were still 2 other men there. Oh yeah, Nick thought he was going to be the last man standing.     Now he's known as the kiss and tell guy who can't seal the deal in the bedroom. Another instance where he should have kept his mouth shut.

After his behavior on the ATFR I would caution any girl that wanted to date him to run like the wind. He's no gentleman. He's just a big mouth,sour grape sucking, classless jerk.  Real men don't kiss and tell and real men don't kiss and tell just to exact revenge on a girl just because she didn't pick him.

If you think TPTB were going to let Nick talk to Andi without cameras present you might ought to think again.

Instead of his sister asking him if he could unapologetically be himself with Andi she should suggest he reflect on what it is he has to apologize for and change the behavior.

You hit the nail on the head!! Couldn't agree more!! I am sure Andi regrets keeping him to F 2 !!
Not happy about the FD info coming out , other F 2 have slept with lead but you Don't say it & IMO he did it to hurt since she refused to talk before! Payback is not a mature way to go! red flag to women dating Nick!
Not going to be easy for him now IMO!

Shame on ABC lost a lot of respect for them & Chris Harrison for letting it go on so long & taking time away form A & J!

I love Josh ! He is a true mainly , sexy & over the moon in love with Andi!! nick always kept talking it but IMO
I just never saw it!

I think he was a player from the start to the end ( guys called him out in show about it) & ATFR just proved it for me ! Talks to much.. Not attractive quality!!

I will chose ( though they tried to rib us) to focus on the great love between A & J & hope we see a TV where it will be all A& J !! They deserve that!!

by ironcat Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:17 am

Tnmomof4 wrote:You said it much better ironcat!
To add, I wouldn't be surprised to at some point, learn that abc didn't let, or at the very least didn't encourage, Andi to speak with Nick. This was the AFTR they planned, there was no way they wanted resolution beforehand.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing too. Had Andi and Nick spoken beforehand off camera, there would have been no "drama" for the live after show. Can't imagine the producers would have been happy about that. If they didn't flat out prohibit her, I bet they strongly suggested to her (ie manipulated her) not to meet with him.

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