Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 9 - Fantasy Dates - July 14/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

GuardianAngel wrote:If Nick if F2 I'm pretty sure she will be devastated letting him go because she would have known how she led him on because she had a show to carry.

ITA. I can totally see a Jason style tears on the balcony scene. I don't think she changes her mind but I think she will feel torn.

Not only that, I think she had real feelings for Nick.

^^^The instant to me was Josh, ""Nailed it. Pegged it. Damn."

nutty1 wrote:Not only that, I think she had real feelings for Nick.

I do too. Remember how Ashley cried letting Ben go. I think she had feelings for him but JP was who she loved.

I agree. Andi is going to have an epic meltdown when she sends Nick home at FRC. I bet that's why he, per the plane video convo, remained so calm and didn't try to argue with her. I really don't see him yelling at her or even giving her the cold shoulder like Ben did with Ashley. I think Nick is much nicer and much more mature than Ben.

Maggenzm wrote:

Piper61 wrote:

lleyki wrote:

The only reason I don't buy that is because the passion talk about her relationship with Nick only really started in Belgium or whichever country they were in when he snuck out to see her. And I remember finding that interesting because prior to that, most of Andi's talking heads about Nick involved expressions about how comfortable she was with him, how she felt like he truly saw who she was, that she could be herself around him and how they connected on a philosophical/mental level.

And during those early episodes (and well some still make those comments), Nick was viewed as the awkward guy, slightly dorky and well we all know how many people have called him creepy. No one as far as I could tell would ever view Nick as the guy one has the "torrid affair/hookup with". Again, for many he was/is the "creepy awkward" guy (Again, obviously not including Nick fans, of which I am myself because I always thought he was adorable).

But suddenly he "sneaks" out to see Andi and they make-out all over the street like they're about to jump each other's bones and we see Andi referring to her relationship with Nick as passionate and suddenly the word passion comes up a whole lot about them. Personally I think this is all just to up the inevitable "shock" when she doesn't pick him because right now, the edit has shown us that this is a guy she's apparently saying that she feels her most comfortable with, can be herself with and on top of all that, the physical chemistry is there too. So like why wouldn't she pick him right?

Very interesting post and observations, and I can see this, though I don't know exactly when it began.  Things favorable for Josh really seem to be picking up with each date since the lie detector, and especially in these preview scenes today of the upcoming FSD.  Per Andi, he is making her feel young and vibrant, she always wants to be near him and can't get close enough.  We are getting more real life, every day moments with them and the building of the admiration and thoughtfulness that real love brings out.  She's seen wiping away tears on HTD, wiping sweat of his face in DR, and seems happy knowing that taking him on this baseball date makes him happy like a child on Christmas.  These are wifely nurturing moments and feelings in my opinion.  

  Piper, I am getting so excited.  :yougogirl: 

I certainly am, too, M!  :cutesmile!: 

pander3575 wrote:

nutty1 wrote:Not only that, I think she had real feelings for Nick.

I do too.  Remember how Ashley cried letting Ben go.  I think she had feelings for him but JP was who she loved.

while i'm sure the leads have feelings for their F2 i think their tears are also guilt at hurting them. no one wants to break another person's heart. jmo.

Sorry I meant to say first one on one in epi 3 the same epi he had the flowers delivered. My typo error.

http://www.accesshollywood.com/bachelorette-andi-dorfman-and-josh-murrays-hometown-date-exclusive_video_2242837?__source=rss%7Crss2%7Clatest-videos&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=latest

gabriele wrote:

pander3575 wrote:

nutty1 wrote:Not only that, I think she had real feelings for Nick.

I do too.  Remember how Ashley cried letting Ben go.  I think she had feelings for him but JP was who she loved.

while i'm sure the leads have feelings for their F2 i think their tears are also guilt at hurting them. no one wants to break another person's heart. jmo.

IA but I also think a lot of the tears and emotion is exhaustion. I imagine it's easy to work yourself up and have a good cry at the end of  a very grueling schedule.  

IMO, Andi had a case of love at first sight and things progressed quickly for them.  It's interesting that Andi talks about being drawn to Josh because that's what I've seen all season.  If you're looking for Andi in a scene just look for Josh and you'll find her.  I believe what she said to Marcus was true about Nick too. Her feelings never caught up to theirs because she was already in too deep with Josh.
 
Nick said on the plane video that he sensed something was off with Andi and he kept telling her he couldn't wait to just go to Kmart and not have to worry about the rest.  I think he mistakenly attributed her hesitation on the process/show when in reality it was because she was in love with Josh.  I think Nick was a victim of the FIR an early 1on1 and the bubble.  He really believed they had the deepest connection which is why he lashed out about Josh.

The adult romance thing is fascinating to me for Andi to describe! I think it's key that she said "romance" cos it has emotional connotations in the general sense of the word vs. just physical. She seems to not have expected a relationship that's "adult"/mature/grown like this not only physically but on other dimensions as well. I think the relationship with Nick is not exactly something in her control and I'd been thinking that does not bode very well for it's longevity particularly given how much she enjoys and craves control....in that vein, it seems to be something that keeps surprising her...she makes these observations like she's examining and going "hmmm!" that he "could see who she is...." "it's so profound" that it's "passionate" and that he brings so much passion (she'd never been with someone like that before - like she's saying 'whattt guys dooo that??' ) that she has this instinct about him in the beginning which is more of a gut feeling "great feeling about nick" but isn't necessarily expected especially because he's not what she's wanted - doesn't fit her image/dream in many ways but keeps bringing things that make her rethink things ....I think these are dimensions of a relationship that she wasn't exactly foreseeing.
I know this is possibly not a very popular opinion amongst some but going to say it like I see it...From what she's done and also how forward Nick has been - from the FIR, Hometown rose, (+date),  Venice date, F1 fantasy date she definitely can't get enough of Nick and what he brings to their relationship. Unfortunately for Nick if he's not F1, this translates into her being as forthcoming in her interest as is possible based on what this show's format would allow i.e leading him on.
I'm not sure how she made the decision ultimately but my thought is Nick is her wildcard guy that keeps surprising her cos he's not her "type" but brings so many things she can't get enough of. Josh is her always imagined "perfect/dream guy" with the fireworks level physical attraction, make her giggle and feel like a woman along with the sweetness, loyalty, generosity etc. that she never thought came in the same package. Josh is masculine according to the terms she's used to/had imagined (not according to the terms she's seeing it in Nick - which is surprising to her "you want it come get it...he's a man" etc). In some ways Josh also surprises her cos he's beyond the "Type" i.e. bad boy package she thought some of his attributes came in...but soo sweet, loving, dedicated. so Andi is getting an education on relationships in a very real way and it's great to watch her grow and learn. Also I think the way she's always wanted someone like Josh and has the emotions/being drawn to him like she is bodes very well for her possibly picking him because it's like she not only fullfills the dream but it's actually not only "too good to be true" but it's a fairytale come true...As Josh is the kind she's always wanted it'll be such a thrill for her to get him and he wants her back this much an can shower love and affection. I think it also bodes really well for Josh in terms of her "LETTING herself fall in love with him" vs. Nick. Cos ultimately it would be a decision she makes incrementally or at a specific moment where she lets all her emotions happen and the guy to be her pick.
While it's clear why Josh who she's had in that "ideal" slot would be almost impossible hard to let go of...Nick is going to be emotionally wrenching to let go of cos of the nature of the connection and the level of depth of the passion...
Unfortunately, how I see her making the decision - she could also as easily pick the guy she feels won't break her heart as she could pick the guy that's completely unprecedented/unpredictable as the guy she can't let go of/say no to... it's soo confusing for her to decide based on emotions cos what's good for her could come in a package of fear of the unknown or fear of the familiar breaking her heart. Andi is learning about relationships and I'm super happy for her but I don't know if she's ready for that final "I Do" decision at the end. There are some rumors saying she only had one previous relationship with an NFL star that cheated on her and her reactions in this show to the various dimensions of a relationship are making me think that it's not far from the truth. I don't want to knock her but does she know herself and what she wants enough to make a decision about a "forever" I Do?? It's ironic that her first convo with Nick was one about him not regretting a thing cos he wouldn't have learnt so many things about what he wants and who he is if he'd not been engaged before!!! and it was kept in the edit...She's going to take a gamble right now to the best of her self-knowledge and hopefully not based on fear of the unknown/heartbreak.... Silly enough, I wish she could have dated these two guys for 1+ years each separately to learn and love and grow and figure out what's best for her....before her "I do" decision...regardless...whomever she choses he'll be really great for her whether it's forever or not...I hope she's brave enough to chose against the wave of fear and then once she's chosen to be wise enough to truly work on the relationship in the best of ways. Regardless of what happens i think nick has been a profound gift to her (whether she sees it or not) on the possibilities of romance/love he seems to be broadening her view and understanding of it and of herself which is fantastic to see! (reminds me of Jilly's Justin who knows her better than herself and teaches her)

cindebugg wrote:

gabriele wrote:

pander3575 wrote:
I do too.  Remember how Ashley cried letting Ben go.  I think she had feelings for him but JP was who she loved.

while i'm sure the leads have feelings for their F2 i think their tears are also guilt at hurting them. no one wants to break another person's heart. jmo.

IA but I also think a lot of the tears and emotion is exhaustion. I imagine it's easy to work yourself up and have a good cry at the end of  a very grueling schedule.  

IMO, Andi had a case of love at first sight and things progressed quickly for them.  It's interesting that Andi talks about being drawn to Josh because that's what I've seen all season.  If you're looking for Andi in a scene just look for Josh and you'll find her.  I believe what she said to Marcus was true about Nick too. Her feelings never caught up to theirs because she was already in too deep with Josh.
 
Nick said on the plane video that he sensed something was off with Andi and he kept telling her he couldn't wait to just go to Kmart and not have to worry about the rest.  I think he mistakenly attributed her hesitation on the process/show when in reality it was because she was in love with Josh.  I think Nick was a victim of the FIR an early 1on1 and the bubble.  He really believed they had the deepest connection which is why he lashed out about Josh.

well said.

re the bolded: i read somewhere that nick & josh were only on 1/2 of a group date together so nick would not have really seen andi around josh much at all. if that is correct then no wonder he thought he had this in the bag.