Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

soccermom333 wrote:

Hotmomma wrote:

jlccaz wrote:With all due respect to the time-honored Board Sport of Wild Speculation, all this talk of contracts and defamation and people suing people is so far removed from reality I don't even know where to begin.  None of these individuals as a matter of protecting their reputations, contracts or anything else would go to court, nor could they (all disputes would be resolved by confidential arbitration far from the public eye).   There are legions of reasons why no actionable torts, nor any rational legal strategy, arise from the known or speculated circumstances of that taping.  

In addition, the "foiler" idea for the Plane Video is not going to pan out, but that's purely IMO.  People hate on RS, and he is an annoying b#)(%*d most of the time, but as suspicious as this is (I get that), the video has a very specific -- known to him -- provenance, I believe.  

Aww jlccaz I could listen to you talk all day..as your other post..your law knowledge is so amazing and I thank you for speaking in a way that a common person like myself can understand. You are a amazing person.Thank-You.

Jlccaz I agree with your post too.  The plane video being a foiler will not pan out.  imo.  It is ridiculous how far off track everyone has gone w this theory.  

This thread is very far removed from reality.    

I am not saying what is fact or fiction, because this season has me perplexed. But for me, it is much more fun to speculate, even to throw out fun, far out ideas. Why not? It makes what would be an otherwise boring season more interesting.
And re: the bolded….I would have said the same thing during Des's season.   

gabriele wrote:if josh were the next bachelor no way would they have nick say all that horrid stuff about him. they always want to build up the next bachelor so viewers will tune in. just look at chris' edit for the HTD. that is a perfect segue to being the next bachelor. they may choose someone else but they are definitely keeping chris in mind for the job.

That's not necessarily true. Andi was not a well liked lead before the season began, and neither was Brad 2.0.

The great thing about this board is you can chose which threads to go into, so if some of us want to play the speculate about the video game we can.  No one has to come read this thread if they feel the discussion isn't worth having.  I know that I purposely avoid the Josh fan thread even though I am a Josh fan, since the tone of the conversation was not something I enjoyed.  I guess if this thread is not something you like you are welcome to not read it.

Hotmomma wrote:

jlccaz wrote:With all due respect to the time-honored Board Sport of Wild Speculation, all this talk of contracts and defamation and people suing people is so far removed from reality I don't even know where to begin.  None of these individuals as a matter of protecting their reputations, contracts or anything else would go to court, nor could they (all disputes would be resolved by confidential arbitration far from the public eye).   There are legions of reasons why no actionable torts, nor any rational legal strategy, arise from the known or speculated circumstances of that taping.  

In addition, the "foiler" idea for the Plane Video is not going to pan out, but that's purely IMO.  People hate on RS, and he is an annoying b#)(%*d most of the time, but as suspicious as this is (I get that), the video has a very specific -- known to him -- provenance, I believe.  

Aww jlccaz I could listen to you talk all day..as your other post..your law knowledge is so amazing and I thank you for speaking in a way that a common person like myself can understand. You are a amazing person.Thank-You.

Me too. I love reading your posts - I actually feel smarter afterwards. You have a wonderful way with words.   

stuckinsc wrote:The great thing about this board is you can chose which threads to go into, so if some of us want to play the speculate about the video game we can.  No one has to come read this thread if they feel the discussion isn't worth having.  I know that I purposely avoid the Josh fan thread even though I am a Josh fan, since the tone of the conversation was not something I enjoyed.  I guess if this thread is not something you like you are welcome to not read it.

Amen, Stuckinsc! The fun thing about this board, for me, is the speculation--playing the what-if games. It's certainly not reading the gush, gush in the spoiled F1 threads and reading all the put-downs of the F2. We are all free to choose what threads we read--just as I have now chosen to avoid certain threads because they annoy me so much. Some posts have crossed the line of decency, IMO.

Please do not post your thoughts on the opinions of other posters.

Topics snowball and get off track rather quickly.

  

Have we ever heard from past contestants on when they get their phones back? The F2 and F3 just have to sit around waiting to return so that it's not obvious who the winner is. That's brutal because while they sit around, the F1 and lead are having a romantic romp nearby. Seems like they would allow the F2 and F3 to speak to their family during that time. I think I recall Sean saying something about it. Anyone remember?

I ask because the video is more believable if he just got his phone back. If he's had it for 3 days we could assume he would have already had this conversation.

My understanding is that he was dumped on the 9th and this happened on the 11th. I don't know if they gave him his phone back immediately or not, but not that much time elapsed. What I'm curious about is who he was talking to (assuming it's not the producers). Maybe the brother who wasn't at the HTD?

I'm not endorsing it but there are other ways this could be a foiler & spoiler without Nick having to act or lie.  One of my original thoughts was that someone else could come back and propose. I feel this one is out because it looks like Marcus is with someone else and I still don't see Andi with Chris.

The other one is that Andi changed her mind a la Jason which Nick mentions in the video. The FRC could have been shot but Andi may have had 2nd thoughts about Josh and/or Nick. She could have turned down Josh or said she wanted more time to decide. Other than Josh' tweet on the 10th about his brother being chosen in the draft, all of their tweets or posts were on May 15 -16th. There is time to fly Nick back and could explain Josh leaving so soon after the FRC.

Again my first inclination is that the spoiler is real and Josh is f1 however there are a couple of things nagging me - him flying to Cancun (I know there's a mag saying Andi & f1 went to Mexico but am not sure about it) and Nick filming with Bennett there in Milwaukee. That's not even counting the coincidences related to this video. Yes I do know about the bazillion clues on SM that Josh is f1 but I don't feel this is the place to go through them.

albean99 wrote:I'm not endorsing it but there are other ways this could be a foiler & spoiler without Nick having to act or lie.  One of my original thoughts was that someone else could come back and propose. I feel this one is out because it looks like Marcus is with someone else and I still don't see Andi with Chris.

The other one is that Andi changed her mind a la Jason which Nick mentions in the video. The FRC could have been shot but Andi may have had 2nd thoughts about Josh and/or Nick. She could have turned down Josh or said she wanted more time to decide. Other than Josh' tweet on the 10th about his brother being chosen in the draft, all of their tweets or posts were on May 15 -16th. There is time to fly Nick back and could explain Josh leaving so soon after the FRC.

Again my first inclination is that the spoiler is real and Josh is f1 however there are a couple of things nagging me - him flying to Cancun (I know there's a mag saying Andi & f1 went to Mexico but am not sure about it) and Nick filming with Bennett there in Milwaukee. That's not even counting the coincidences related to this video. Yes I do know about the bazillion clues on SM that Josh is f1 but I don't feel this is the place to go through them.

Re the bold, is the first thing I thought of when I heard him mention Jason and Molly in the vid, because how many guys would know that. However later we learned he watched previous seasons, but that's a long way back to watch. At that point, he didn't think she'd change her mind, maybe she did.

All those nagging points are nagging me too.

albean99 wrote:I'm not endorsing it but there are other ways this could be a foiler & spoiler without Nick having to act or lie.  One of my original thoughts was that someone else could come back and propose. I feel this one is out because it looks like Marcus is with someone else and I still don't see Andi with Chris.

The other one is that Andi changed her mind a la Jason which Nick mentions in the video. The FRC could have been shot but Andi may have had 2nd thoughts about Josh and/or Nick. She could have turned down Josh or said she wanted more time to decide. Other than Josh' tweet on the 10th about his brother being chosen in the draft, all of their tweets or posts were on May 15 -16th. There is time to fly Nick back and could explain Josh leaving so soon after the FRC.

Again my first inclination is that the spoiler is real and Josh is f1 however there are a couple of things nagging me - him flying to Cancun (I know there's a mag saying Andi & f1 went to Mexico but am not sure about it) and Nick filming with Bennett there in Milwaukee. That's not even counting the coincidences related to this video. Yes I do know about the bazillion clues on SM that Josh is f1 but I don't feel this is the place to go through them.

So Josh had his phone back on the 10th. I'd assume Nick did too. Seems he would have spoken to everyone he was allowed to talk to in the time sitting around his room. On the 15th, Nick posts his first post back to Instagram with an odd pic if you ask me. It's the one of him on a red bench looking sideways. no caption. http://instagram.com/p/oBWOGyMw_U/?modal=true

Like you, my inclination is to believe the video is real, but I'd like for it to be a foiler to mess with RS so I keep digging. His outfit with capris is out of character. On instagram, he has grays, black, blue clothes and a pretty conservative style. Why did he pack that outfit for the trip/show? Makes no sense. If they were going to do a foiler, I could see Elan bringing him that outfit to be funny or for a clue. Mura said Andi's said her fav. song is the star spangled banner.

I can't really see Andi changing her mind after the FRC. Like Nick said, she's stubborn. It's very believable IMO that she changed her mind near the end like he said though. I just don't think she would have said that stuff to Bella plus she has gone way beyond and above the job duties with kissing him. Both by the tree and in the latest preview she was all over him. If it is a foiler it was brilliant to add that part because it allows them to show the love story with us expecting something to change at the last moment.

grace8136 wrote:

albean99 wrote:I'm not endorsing it but there are other ways this could be a foiler & spoiler without Nick having to act or lie.  One of my original thoughts was that someone else could come back and propose. I feel this one is out because it looks like Marcus is with someone else and I still don't see Andi with Chris.

The other one is that Andi changed her mind a la Jason which Nick mentions in the video. The FRC could have been shot but Andi may have had 2nd thoughts about Josh and/or Nick. She could have turned down Josh or said she wanted more time to decide. Other than Josh' tweet on the 10th about his brother being chosen in the draft, all of their tweets or posts were on May 15 -16th. There is time to fly Nick back and could explain Josh leaving so soon after the FRC.

Again my first inclination is that the spoiler is real and Josh is f1 however there are a couple of things nagging me - him flying to Cancun (I know there's a mag saying Andi & f1 went to Mexico but am not sure about it) and Nick filming with Bennett there in Milwaukee. That's not even counting the coincidences related to this video. Yes I do know about the bazillion clues on SM that Josh is f1 but I don't feel this is the place to go through them.

So Josh had his phone back on the 10th. I'd assume Nick did too. Seems he would have spoken to everyone he was allowed to talk to in the time sitting around his room. On the 15th, Nick posts his first post back to Instagram with an odd pic if you ask me. It's the one of him on a red bench looking sideways. no caption. http://instagram.com/p/oBWOGyMw_U/?modal=true

Like you, my inclination is to believe the video is real, but I'd like for it to be a foiler to mess with RS so I keep digging. His outfit with capris is out of character. On instagram, he has grays, black, blue clothes and a pretty conservative style. Why did he pack that outfit for the trip/show? Makes no sense. If they were going to do a foiler, I could see Elan bringing him that outfit to be funny or for a clue. Mura said Andi's said her fav. song is the star spangled banner.

I can't really see Andi changing her mind after the FRC. Like Nick said, she's stubborn. It's very believable IMO that she changed her mind near the end like he said though. I just don't think she would have said that stuff to Bella plus she has gone way beyond and above the job duties with kissing him. Both by the tree and in the latest preview she was all over him. If it is a foiler it was brilliant to add that part because it allows them to show the love story with us expecting something to change at the last moment.

Much as I want to agree about you on the outfit, I think his FD outfit is pretty wild too (see the other media and Nick threads) but it would be funny if he wore the star spangled shirt as a clue. Still hoping Nick is F1 and hoping we unearth more clues to prove it.