Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

ironcat wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

ironcat wrote:

ITA.  To me, that's actually the most difficult part of believing this is a foiler, because it means that Nick was willing to badmouth the guy he beat out (I think that's the epitome of being a "sore winner") in order to advance the producers' agenda.  Nothing like kicking someone when he's down.      I hope Nick wouldn't be a party to that at ANY price.

We discussed this a while back in depth.  To me he didn't really say much wrong about Josh.  It wasn't a tirade in any form.  It was his opinion, if someone saying I am boring or all I do is lay around is terrible then heck that would be great.  

I just don't see anything Nick said being that inflammatory.  I still remember all the crap Ben said about Ashley after he was dumped.  Nick is really tame compared to that.  Maybe because Nick is not the hot head Ben was, but none of this is that shocking to me.

Remember Josh is the guy who is friends with a blogger who called him a Florida Douche the first time she met him.  That is a whole lot more offensive to me then anything Nick said in that video.

This sort of proves my point.  Ben said those things about Ashley, and I can totally forgive him, precisely because he was dumped and hurt.  Had JP said anything unflattering about Ben right after Ben got his heart stomped on, much as I adore the guy, I'd be very disappointed in him.  Just not nice, even if the stuff said was "not too bad", or if it was done as part of a foiler, unless Josh was in on it all, which I find very hard to believe, just a day after getting HIS heart stomped on.

It's sadly all too implausible. I want him to be F1 though people! My brain can't accept it as a possibility after seeing the video.

Kashathediva wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:RS is a rude obnoxious fame hungry idiot. If he was a nice guy, he wouldn't speak the way he does. As you can see, he's is already preparing to throw it all back into everyone's face "because he gets information that no one else does". I will stop here because I don't want to be rude and obnoxious.

There has been good discussion as to why the vid hasn't been mentioned in the media and that the vid is the reason for Nick's edit.

I have found that CH has done nothing but stick up for Nick in his blogs. This is just another strange piece of the puzzle.

He only is pleasant when you agree with what he is saying.  He said it's nobody associated with the show, but yet it's 100% verified.  They recognized Nick and started recording.  That is even more of a red flag because the show did not start airing until May 22nd.  So, it it was a complete stranger, and the show had not started airing, and the person just happened to recognize Nick and start taping him?  Yeah, okay.

It leads me to believe RS hired someone(s) to stake out certain airports at certain times. 
Either this ^
or that
foiler.

Honestly, I have no problem believing it actually happened exactly as RS said it did.  All you needed was one super fan like our members here are sitting behind the guy and willing to share it with RS.  Just because members here wouldn't be likely to share with RS, doesn't mean that is true of all super fans.  He is able to make a living off of his site for a reason:  he has the numbers.

For it to have been a foiler just isn't jiving with anything else we've seen and heard; it is too far a stretch for me.  The true answer in all things concerning this show has always turned out to be the obvious one (even with the Brooks thing, you have to realize how contorted believing Brooks had won was proving to be as we actually watched).

I really like Nick and I think he really got his heart broken

Alanna wrote:

nutty1 wrote:

Alanna wrote:I don't think Steve is a bad guy but yeah, he is absurd. Sigh.

I wish I saved some emails that he and I exchanged years ago. Trust me, he is rude and condescending.  He is a sad, sad man.

I know. I remember when I started reading him years ago, he was such a funny, happy guy. I wonder if it's because he's never settled down that he's become so bitter.

He has always had that side to him; it is actually what made him so funny.

The whole spoiler thing has forced him to be more serious, hence less funny.

I've emailed him a few times over the years but he was always reasonably polite even when he clearly disliked what I was saying.  He just is as he is; you take it or you leave it.

We've got so many people on this site who love to be snarky, I find it interesting that so many find it hard to tolerate in RS.  True, he is arrogant, but he's got the best spoiler record of anyone, so why is it a surprise? And some fans of this show ARE crazy; while I wish he could learn to keep that in perspective and just let them have their fun, he is far from the only person expressing the attitude about it that he does.

Wasn't Nick one of those guys we didn't know about until later? How far into the taping schedule was that? I believe sophienette and chloeP sleuthed him eventually, but he wasn't on the original list, unlike Marcus and Marquel. So at that time, even us super fans were not that sure that it was the right Nick? This is the reason why I can't believe it is a super fan who caught the video. I think it is one of RS chronies or even, shall I dare, a foiler.

Catdwoman50 wrote:Wasn't Nick one of those guys we didn't know about until later?  How far into the taping schedule was that?  I believe sophienette and chloeP sleuthed him eventually, but he wasn't on the original list, unlike Marcus and Marquel.  So at that time, even us super fans were not that sure that it was the right Nick? This is the reason why I can't believe it is a super fan who caught the video.  I think it is one of RS chronies or even, shall I dare, a foiler.

I think he was one of the last four figured out, but he WAS identified before that video was made.  *I* knew who is was well before the video was posted, and that he was final 4 (I think); that was why the video never seemed like a long shot to me.

Catdwoman50 wrote:Wasn't Nick one of those guys we didn't know about until later?  How far into the taping schedule was that?  I believe sophienette and chloeP sleuthed him eventually, but he wasn't on the original list, unlike Marcus and Marquel.  So at that time, even us super fans were not that sure that it was the right Nick? This is the reason why I can't believe it is a super fan who caught the video.  I think it is one of RS chronies or even, shall I dare, a foiler.

My guess is they didn't know him by sight but heard something while on the phone perked up and started to record. I haven't watched it In a long while but didn't the video start with him already talking on the phone? I can see a fan hearing enough and start filming g

All that said, I would happily find out that this time RS was wrong and Nick is the winner and the video ... a mystery. I just don't think it is likely, or worth pinning hopes on, or spending hours analyzing; just too far out there.

But I do love it when Fleiss makes a brilliant chess move, like he did with Ali and Des. Very much adds to the "game" that is this show.

Tiggerlgh wrote:

Catdwoman50 wrote:Wasn't Nick one of those guys we didn't know about until later?  How far into the taping schedule was that?  I believe sophienette and chloeP sleuthed him eventually, but he wasn't on the original list, unlike Marcus and Marquel.  So at that time, even us super fans were not that sure that it was the right Nick? This is the reason why I can't believe it is a super fan who caught the video.  I think it is one of RS chronies or even, shall I dare, a foiler.

My guess is they didn't know him by sight but heard something while on the phone perked up and started to record.   I haven't watched it In a long while but didn't the video start with him already talking on the phone?  I can see a fan hearing enough and start filming g

The bold is my theory. Even if I didn't recognize him, if I heard Andi, I was Final 2, she didn't pick me, etc. I would catch on. Although not record.

It's plausible, much like Kasha's point that RS has chronies where he thinks the b/ette is filming. I think the likelihood of them being lucky RS chrony sitting behind one of the F4 and catching a convo is the same or higher than a totally random RS fan who heard the convo and decided to record and send to RS. I just choose to believe the less random alternative.

Cecilia wrote:

Tiggerlgh wrote:

Catdwoman50 wrote:Wasn't Nick one of those guys we didn't know about until later?  How far into the taping schedule was that?  I believe sophienette and chloeP sleuthed him eventually, but he wasn't on the original list, unlike Marcus and Marquel.  So at that time, even us super fans were not that sure that it was the right Nick? This is the reason why I can't believe it is a super fan who caught the video.  I think it is one of RS chronies or even, shall I dare, a foiler.

My guess is they didn't know him by sight but heard something while on the phone perked up and started to record.   I haven't watched it In a long while but didn't the video start with him already talking on the phone?  I can see a fan hearing enough and start filming g

The bold is my theory. Even if I didn't recognize him, if I heard Andi, I was Final 2, she didn't pick me, etc.  I would catch on.  Although not record.

I think it actually was Chris whom he didn't know until much later, like just before the showing on TV that he added Chris in.

Both Chris and Nick weren't released until very late in filiming. I am pretty sure both were released together when RS spoiled the final four.

^^ was that 2-3 weeks to FRC?