Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

Post show it is a strange grouping of friendships for the f4 also. Chris is close with both Nick and Marcus.
Marcus is close to Chris and Josh. Nick is not close to either Josh or Marcus. In fact on the show, it was Marcus (edited in of course) that pointed out the first dischord in the Nick storyline and Chris was the most vocal throughout. Yet Chris and Nick have hung out post show.
its like a dog chasing his tail round and round.

I think many of the F2s, in the history of the show, have spilled the beans about the season on the end leg of the plane ride home (no handler present). The F2s probably makes that phone call as a venting valve, after being in the Ette bubble for several weeks. Unfortunately, if it is a spoiler, Nick was the one who got caught.

I don't think most of this is difficult for him to watch. I think he is very comfortable in his own shoes and easily owns up to his feelings and mistakes. 
On another note, and I know it's my perspective, I don't see him as arrogant. I realize many do and I get it.
There are people who call it as they see it. Often they suffer from foot in mouth disease and often they have a sensitivity most would not suspect, too. 
He is openly honest and calls it as he sees it. Is that naive, perhaps. Is it arrogant, perhaps. Is he overly sensitive, perhaps. More likely that is how he is and he does not perceive it any of those ways, but it maybe that way accordingly to others. 
I think he is very comfortable and secure with himself. If anything this is a learning experience for him.

It is interesting to look back at Nicks behavior .. For the VERY skeptical guy initially to the extremely and overly confident guy who has been building up his story line by say he is going to marry the girl .. Even before HTDs .. And not just in the last episode .. But building this persona over several episodes .. The guy is in a huge hurry .. Andi has no question of how he feels .. From the get go .. Rush rush rush .. There is NO doubt in her mind about the ending with him.......

But on the other hand .. Things have been Building more normally .. With Josh .. She is having to work at it .. Chasing him .. Didn't know his feelings .. She was actually a bit blind about it as well .. She is not so sure about the final outcome with him .. And still has some insecurities overcome before she gets there

Kashathediva wrote:I don't think most of this is difficult for him to watch. I think he is very comfortable in his own shoes and easily owns up to his feelings and mistakes. 
On another note, and I know it's my perspective, I don't see him as arrogant. I realize many do and I get it.
There are people who call it as they see it. Often they suffer from foot in mouth disease and often they have a sensitivity most would not suspect, too. 
He is openly honest and calls it as he sees it. Is that naive, perhaps. Is it arrogant, perhaps. Is he overly sensitive, perhaps. More likely that is how he is and he does not perceive it any of those ways, but it maybe that way accordingly to others. 
I think he is very comfortable and secure with himself. If anything this is a learning experience for him.

   

Did the plane video do anything to help Nick's image? Some would point out he was eating Cheetos, mentioned wanting to take Andi to KMart. What he was wearing was perceived as a bit too much, too. His comments about Andi and Josh. If this was a foiler, did it do anything to help Nick's image? Personally, I'm not that nit-picking. But, I think the public can be.

janeh810 wrote:Did the plane video do anything to help Nick's image? Some would point out he was eating Cheetos, mentioned wanting to take Andi to KMart.  What he was wearing was perceived as a bit too much, too.  His comments about Andi and Josh.  If this was a foiler,  did it do anything to help Nick's image?  Personally, I'm not that nit-picking.  But, I think the public can be.  

For me I am willing to bet majority of the general public know nothing of the video so for me the video is nothing..... The only thing the GP is going by is what they are shown on screen and that's not helping his image one bit....

Sorry. By public, I meant the minority who have seen the video and airport pics.

I will play the devil's advocate.   
I really don't care how other's perceive me.   
If I go out of the house without makeup and my hair's a mess, so be it. I know others would never do this. If I run into someone I know, looking like a hot mess, I may think twice about doing it next time, but then the next time comes around and 75/25 I will go out a hot mess again! I really don't care.    I am quite comfortable in my own skin. 

There are 2 schools of thought on this video.
The first being someone caught Nick with his pants down--a private convo that he was not so circumspect with and video taped the convo.
The second being a spoof. 
I can see it being either. 
I would absolutely go along with it if it were a spoof and fill my mouth with food, talk loudly. If it were me, I would probably play it up more, unfortunately and give it away that it was a spoof. (think Melissa McCarthy)

Honestly, I don't think he is so worried about how this effects his image. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't steal. No physical violence was involved. I didn't hear any real offensive language. I don't think his livelihood is in jeopardy. 
I don't think this show is all that popular that he is going to have to go into hiding and assume a new identity. JMOAA

janeh810 wrote:Did the plane video do anything to help Nick's image? Some would point out he was eating Cheetos, mentioned wanting to take Andi to KMart.  What he was wearing was perceived as a bit too much, too.  His comments about Andi and Josh.  If this was a foiler,  did it do anything to help Nick's image?  Personally, I'm not that nit-picking.  But, I think the public can be.  

Personally i like Nick but i think the video is the reason why he's getting the bad edit.

bilolo wrote:

janeh810 wrote:Did the plane video do anything to help Nick's image? Some would point out he was eating Cheetos, mentioned wanting to take Andi to KMart.  What he was wearing was perceived as a bit too much, too.  His comments about Andi and Josh.  If this was a foiler,  did it do anything to help Nick's image?  Personally, I'm not that nit-picking.  But, I think the public can be.  

Personally i like Nick but i think the video is the reason why he's getting the bad edit.

Nick has given TPTB ALOT of amo to play with

Kashathediva wrote:I will play the devil's advocate.   
I really don't care how other's perceive me.   
If I go out of the house without makeup and my hair's a mess, so be it. I know others would never do this. If I run into someone I know, looking like a hot mess, I may think twice about doing it next time, but then the next time comes around and 75/25 I will go out a hot mess again! I really don't care.    I am quite comfortable in my own skin. 

There are 2 schools of thought on this video.
The first being someone caught Nick with his pants down--a private convo that he was not so circumspect with and video taped the convo.
The second being a spoof. 
I can see it being either. 
I would absolutely go along with it if it were a spoof and fill my mouth with food, talk loudly. If it were me, I would probably play it up more, unfortunately and give it away that it was a spoof. (think Melissa McCarthy)

Honestly, I don't think he is so worried about how this effects his image. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't steal. No physical violence was involved. I didn't hear any real offensive language. I don't think his livelihood is in jeopardy. 
I don't think this show is all that popular that he is going to have to go into hiding and assume a new identity. JMOAA

Thanks Kasha. Your posts are always so well written.

I disagree on one point though. It will, imo, effect his image just a little. At least for me and probably most here. For crying out loud, he actually agreed to being a "puppet" for Tptb??!! Yuk and yikes! Not good.   :vomit: 

I don't think he is the type of man to be anyone's puppet. Forget what he said about Josh, which was not flattering, but he called his fiance passive aggressive and stubborn.  

If you believe this is foiler, you have to believe all the other clues (and there is a lot) are foilers too.  

I know this has been rehashed over and over, but I believe the plane video has almost become irrelevant due to all the other "evidence" out there that points to the real ending. imo of course!  :giggle: