Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

With a adult son/daughter I think you have to be very careful what, if any advice, you give. I think erring on the side of no advice is always the best policy... If someone wants your advice they will ask. The only exception is if someone is in mortal danger... i.e., telling your daughter to leave a violent spouse.

pander3575 wrote:Nick sounded like he got along great with Andi's parents and I'm sure Josh did too.  What was there not to like.  What I doubt would be her parents putting pressure on her to chose Josh over Nick if they felt she loved Nick more than Josh.  It seems to me as a parent you'd want your child to have who they loved and come to a decision on their own.

Good point, pander.  I know I don't really get listened to, but I feel that all Andi's parents want for her is to be truly happy in love, and that can only come about if it is from her heart only.  I am pretty sure that Hy told her something to that effect in one of his deleted M&G video clips.  No matter who Andi chose, or if she chose no one, I believe she made her own choice.

On a side note, Josh would not be wearing a ribbon he got on his date with Andi if he was no longer with her nor if he is going to be the next bachelor.

grace8136 wrote:

Alanna wrote:

pander3575 wrote:Nick sounded like he got along great with Andi's parents and I'm sure Josh did too.  What was there not to like.  What I doubt would be her parents putting pressure on her to chose Josh over Nick if they felt she loved Nick more than Josh.  It seems to me as a parent you'd want your child to have who they loved and come to a decision on their own.

Plus how funny would it be if Hy doesn't prefer Josh and starts in with "her ex was an athlete..." It would be completely opposite of what we're thinking now. Of course, Josh might start signaling the coast guard to come rescue him at that point.

There was a tweet from Andi at the beginning of the season about Hy and Aaron following him which made me question this. I don't think parents have to overtly say a preference for their kids to think there is one even if there's really not. Their preferences for her have been ingrained over a 26 yr time span. I've also thought it could be why she changed her mind at the last minute.

I believe the plane video is legit. I'm not positive that Josh is the F1 though. The Cancun trip throws me off. They really have no other TB material besides Josh IMO. Yesterday, Josh tweeted at 8:21, Andi at 8:24 and Chris at 8:27. That makes me wonder if TPTB are controlling sm.

Regarding the changing her mind in the last minute, if Andi was more into Nick than Josh or if what we see on tv was more going towards Nick than Josh, i'd agree but if Andi picks Josh i'd say that's normal and expected based on what they showed us and i believe everybody is seeing it. So no changing mind for me.

bilolo wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

pander3575 wrote:Nick sounded like he got along great with Andi's parents and I'm sure Josh did too.  What was there not to like.  What I doubt would be her parents putting pressure on her to chose Josh over Nick if they felt she loved Nick more than Josh. It seems to me as a parent you'd want your child to have who they loved and come to a decision on their own.

I agree with the bolded.
Sometimes the best thing you can do as a parent is keep your big mouth shut. Let your kid and his/her spouse/significant other have their life.
I have a friend who just does not get it. She and her hubby are constantly giving their unsolicited 2 cents to their son about how he should "handle" his wife. Consequently, the son and daughter-in-law keep their comfortable distance.

But sometimes you can see some things ahead based on your experience that your daughter or son doesn't see (blinded by the "love"). So if you see that something is not right, you (not you Kasha) should say it, not force it on your daughter/son but say it.

What I've learned in life is that you can give advice but generally people will do what they want to do. I may suggest things to my sons and DILs but I also tell them they need to do what they feel is right. I also will be there for them if they follow their own path but it's not successful. I know every time my mother tried to push me in a direction she wanted me to go I went the other way.

I don't think she changed her mind at the last minute either. She may be at this stage still weighing each guy. I keep going back to what JP said on his LCD about she may love both of them but she can only be IN love with one of them. We will see on the 28th who she was IN love with.

I believe Andi does have strong feelings for Nick. What percentage is based solely on him and what percentage is based on the fact that he is different from Josh, different from her usual type. She has been attracted to Josh from the start, I don't think she could help where her heart was leaning when it came to him. It was her mind that her heart and body had to wrestle with. Maybe changing her mind had less to do with Nick and more to do with her mind eventually caught up with her heart. She realized she could be in love with Josh, she could change her mind and realize that her type isn't always the same as it can change with the person and she can trust what Josh is showing and giving to her. I feel it was always Josh and anyone else she may have given a chance to along the way. JMHO.

I was just giving an example of how it could happen if Nick was right about Andi changing her mind at the last minute. I doubt her family would try to influence her but it may have been obvious. It's also possible that Andi was torn and went with the easiest choice. I almost never believe the lead when they say it was always their f1.

Last B'ette season was a real 'gotcha' for those who believed the spoilers. Why wouldn't Fleiss try to do this again? Usually the contestants sent home get together as friends during filming to support each other and remember all the fun and disappointment during filming. We've seen Nick get together with Chris and Brian and tweets of support from the other contestants. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't see that level of support for Josh from his 'bros'. To the uninitiated, this could appear to make Josh the F1. I think it is part of Fleiss strategy to fool us again.

Why does Fleiss need to fool us, play with our heads, if he knows how our imaginations run wild without his encouragement, anyway? Fleiss doesn't need to lift a finger. He is enjoying time in his hot tub!

janeh810 wrote:Why does Fleiss need to fool us, play with our heads, if he knows how our imaginations run wild without his encouragement, anyway?  Fleiss doesn't need to lift a finger.  He is enjoying time in his hot tub!  

  That's what I've been saying. Even with the Nick video out there look at how many people don't believe it.  MF can just sit back and let us go at each other. I'm getting a chuckle thinking about him just sitting back and laughing.

Just because Nick thinks Andi changed her mind at the last minute doesn't make it so, and I sincerely doubt that Andi would ever "confess" that to him, whether true or not, in her dumping speech anyway.  I'm sure he had a great LCD with her, felt confident at that point that she was in love with him (he seems to already think she is), and then a day or two later, she tells him she's not.  So naturally, he's going to assume she changed her mind at the last minute.

Since Nick confirms that he got along great with her parents, I seriously doubt that they tried to change Andi's mind and got her to pick Josh if she was favoring Nick going in.  And we have certainly seen in the past when family did clearly favor one person over the other (Trista, Ashley, Deanna, I think Jillian as well), yet the lead stuck to her guns and chose HER favorite.  So I think it's unlikely that Andi's family did anything more than reconfirm that Josh was the one for her.

I also suspect that Andi tried to hold off on definitively choosing between Josh and Nick for as long as possible, especially since she started out with such doubts about Josh's intentions.  Since she knew she had to continue the "romance" with both of them anyway (I do think she knew they were her F2 for quite a while), it would be easier to handle that by keeping an open mind until close to the end.  But then the end result of that is she really did seriously lead Nick on with her words and physical affection.  It's no surprise to me that he was so upset on the plane ride home that he couldn't hold it in and needed to vent to someone close to him.  And in the heat of the moment and with his heart broken/ego shattered, I give him a pass on what he said.  I would find it much crueler and harder to forgive for him to have made those nasty comments as part of a "foiler" when he had just won the girl.

This has probably been stated but I find it extremely difficult to believe that a random stranger not related to the show filmed nick -- unless it's a hyper bette fan and heard the name andi or trigger words like "season" etc... any info on this? And this might sound basic but where are his handlers??