Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

emusha wrote:... I find it extremely difficult to believe that a random stranger not related to the show filmed nick -- unless it's a hyper bette fan and heard the name andi or trigger words like "season" etc... any info on this?

Exactly!
IMO the chances of a person familiar with the show sitting kitty corner behind Nick are the same odds as winning the lottery  :Nod: 

emusha wrote: And this might sound basic but where are his handlers??

Apparently the handlers don't accompany the contestants on the last leg of their trip

emusha wrote:This has probably been stated but I find it extremely difficult to believe that a random stranger not related to the show filmed nick -- unless it's a hyper bette fan and heard the name andi or trigger words like "season" etc... any info on this? And this might sound basic but where are his handlers??

I think handlers only fly with the contestant on their first flight (from DR) and since Nick would've had a connecting flight from another US city, his handler wouldn't have been on that flight. I feel like RS is so confident that the video is legit, I wonder if he paid someone to follow the contestants on their plane rides home in hopes they would say something   

emusha wrote:This has probably been stated but I find it extremely difficult to believe that a random stranger not related to the show filmed nick -- unless it's a hyper bette fan and heard the name andi or trigger words like "season" etc... any info on this? And this might sound basic but where are his handlers??

ITA that it's a crazy coincidence, which is another reason why Nick probably wouldn't even think twice about his confidentiality agreement when he decided to call a loved one and vent about something he assumed nobody around him would understand. Little did he know......

jen689 wrote:

emusha wrote:... I find it extremely difficult to believe that a random stranger not related to the show filmed nick -- unless it's a hyper bette fan and heard the name andi or trigger words like "season" etc... any info on this?

Exactly!
IMO the chances of a person familiar with the show sitting kitty corner behind Nick are the same odds as winning the lottery  :Nod: 

emusha wrote: And this might sound basic but where are his handlers??

Apparently the handlers don't accompany the contestants on the last leg of their trip

And, if the plane video is a spoiler, that will be the last time a F2 will not be accompanied by a handler on the last leg of their trip.  :atomic: 

pander3575 wrote:

janeh810 wrote:Why does Fleiss need to fool us, play with our heads, if he knows how our imaginations run wild without his encouragement, anyway?  Fleiss doesn't need to lift a finger.  He is enjoying time in his hot tub!  

  That's what I've been saying.  Even with the Nick video out there look at how many people don't believe it.   MF can just sit back and let us go at each other.  I'm getting a chuckle thinking about him just sitting back and laughing.

  

janeh810 wrote:

pander3575 wrote:

janeh810 wrote:Why does Fleiss need to fool us, play with our heads, if he knows how our imaginations run wild without his encouragement, anyway?  Fleiss doesn't need to lift a finger.  He is enjoying time in his hot tub!  

  That's what I've been saying.  Even with the Nick video out there look at how many people don't believe it.   MF can just sit back and let us go at each other.  I'm getting a chuckle thinking about him just sitting back and laughing.

  

Exactly!   

waitaminutee wrote:

emusha wrote:This has probably been stated but I find it extremely difficult to believe that a random stranger not related to the show filmed nick -- unless it's a hyper bette fan and heard the name andi or trigger words like "season" etc... any info on this? And this might sound basic but where are his handlers??

I think handlers only fly with the contestant on their first flight (from DR) and since Nick would've had a connecting flight from another US city, his handler wouldn't have been on that flight. I feel like RS is so confident that the video is legit, I wonder if he paid someone to follow the contestants on their plane rides home in hopes they would say something   

hmmm! it all seems so unlikely that i'm totally confounded by this spoiler...it doesn't sound like what he's saying is made up but what are the chances that anyone other than ABC staff got a hold of his flight info?? or someone sitting next to him recognizes something -- most of what he said was nondescript aside from the word "scene" he didn't mention Andi's name for instance

...whomever taped the phone call has a chance of being connected with ABC...and funnily enough I believe there's been quite a bit of speculation about RS' sources leading back to tptb @ ABC....RS doesn't advertise any award money but any person in media esp in TV knows that publicity good or bad is good for ratings - I wouldn't be too shocked if ABC has a hand in this...I remember during Ali's season there was info that came out that Ali's friends fed RS wrong information - during that season there was a lot of other insider info on FORT about MF planting the wrong spoiler about Chris L vs. Roberto and deliberately confusing RS...(was such a great season to sleuth - we found the truth through twitter photos which I helped identify & real estate licensing that another person on the board found online!!)  In any case -- I think there's reason to keep sleuthing this season as things don't quite match up properly!!
Erica Rose was another "source" and in previous seasons MF and co have been pretty great at creating fluctuation between RS' credibility -- which plays in perfectly for their bottom line: ratings.... Something is fishy about these spoilers and if it's not a switch between the two F2 in terms of Andi's decision...then it might have to do with the nature of Andi's decision or what is forecast to come after the end of the season...or maybe that Andi's mind was first set on Nick with the experience giving him validation/her reason to put him as her F1 but then she for some reason flipped to Josh... if the latter is the case then some of the wonky editing with villianizing Nick and spoiling him as F2 would make sense to build a case against the guy who was her F1 pick for a big majority of the season but then her shifting to Josh increasingly (but with little footage to back that up)

I'm very curious to see what's going to come out of this season maybe a year from now...Like Jill's season in the past...this one doesn't quite mesh very well with a HIGH mental+physical+emotional chemistry guy that either isn't ready or she isn't ready for him vs. a sexy/"type" guy who she's sooo hot and bothered with that she's simply gotta get him out of her system to move beyond this point and truly know what she needs in a relationship.... My gut is telling me that Andi needs more than what Josh can offer particularly around emotional+mental+communication but she'll go with him because that's what her heart is telling her and this is her path now...just like it was JIll's path to stick to her guns and pick Ed

ETA: With that said many people make relationships work that aren't exactly "clicking" for the long term as they make the commitment and compromise and try to grow in the same direction. It's not our prerogative, I guess, to say that her connection is or isn't enough for her... but from past bachettes...those that have lasted have had the "it" that goes deeper and into emotional + mental + lifestyle + values/what are their priorities + personality alignment -- Ashley-JP, Sean-Cat vs. those that have fizzled Jill-Ed, Aliberto etc.

IF it is real, then there is no doubt the person filming Nick knew in advance. There is NO WAY, they could just happen upon him on that flight.

We have said this before, either someone in production is working for RS too. Or, RS hired someone else. ;)

rosesrREd wrote:IF it is real, then there is no doubt the person filming Nick knew in advance.  There is NO WAY, they could just happen upon him on that flight.

I don't know whys to believe this season but didn't the video start with the call already in progress? It's very likely he said more info earlier and then the person started filming. As a fan if I heard the bachette Andi being dumped etc somewhere along those lines I would probably do the same and film as wll and if nothing more came out just delete it.

soccermom333 wrote:We have said this before, either someone in production is working for RS too.  Or, RS hired someone else.  ;)

Then why follow only Nick?  Why not Josh, and Chris too?  If RS hired someone, then did they just get lucky that he decided to pick up his phone and gab about the FRC?  What makes Nick the only one worth following? 

rosesrREd wrote:

soccermom333 wrote:We have said this before, either someone in production is working for RS too.  Or, RS hired someone else.  ;)

Then why follow only Nick?  Why not Josh, and Chris too?  If RS hired someone, then did they just get lucky that he decided to pick up his phone and gab about the FRC?  What makes Nick the only one worth following? 

There was a photo of Josh coming in through customs in Miami so he may have been followed too. Who knows?