Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #4

[notarose]

What if the key to the story is here:
Tweeted by Nick's brother James
"Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness."
9:08pm - 23 Jun 14.   And retweeted by Nick.



I think this quote by Nick's brother may be more significant than realized and is the key to the storyline kingdom.  To me it is possible confirmation as to why Nick would be let go before a fantasy suite date.  Does that mean he is gone forever?  That remains to be seen.

Background on the letters of James from the New Testament:

" (James) defines "pure and faultless" religion strictly in terms of ethical conduct. As he sees it, the actions of individuals are far more important than the mere content of their intellectual beliefs. He insists that "faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."
Furthermore, the standard of goodness is obedience to the laws of God. In obeying what the writer (James) calls "the perfect law that gives freedom," individuals gain their true freedom.
The writer also has much to say about the harm that may arise from gossip and careless use of the tongue.
The letter ends rather abruptly but emphasizes the type of ethical conduct that should always characterize the life of a true Christian."
Source: Coles Notes

If this quote represents they way of thinking of the Vaill family then there is no way Nick would agree to the built in fantasy date "process".

We already know he attended church with Brian, Josh, and Dylan after the stripper GD.  That he attended church as per an ig pic in Venice with what looks to be Brian and Josh (it only shows them from behind and I don't recall which produer posted it but Brian commented on it so he is confirmed) and that he and Brian pointed out the beautiful churches as they approached Venice on the boat.  You can fault Nick for incurring the wrath of the other guys, some brought on by his own flaws/some unwarranted but since that time he appears to have reconciled with a lot of guys through SM.  

Food for thought... and yes, I realize talk of religion is something this show avoids however that doesn't mean it isn't relevant especially since most marriages are sanctioned in a place of worship.

So clarify in my own mind, you are speculating that Nick might leave before the Fantasy suite portion of the date?  So, if RS is to believed (I realize the significance of what I am saying), Josh would be the only one to have the overnight portion of the date since RS indicated that Chris gets let go before the evening portion of the FD.

I am speculating that Nick will not be going into the fantasy suite. A foreshadowing of that is that Nick had the key to Andi's room but didn't use it.
I have no idea what will occur with any remaining guys. I suppose they will have made what ever decision best suits them which is as it should be.

[julychild]

I am not going to take apart Marquel's comment but I think from the edit, it is easy enough to see (at least to me) that Nick was in the F2.

[docnash14]

What if the key to the story is here:
Tweeted by Nick's brother James
"Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness."
9:08pm - 23 Jun 14.   And retweeted by Nick.



I think this quote by Nick's brother may be more significant than realized and is the key to the storyline kingdom.  To me it is possible confirmation as to why Nick would be let go before a fantasy suite date.  Does that mean he is gone forever?  That remains to be seen.

Background on the letters of James from the New Testament:

" (James) defines "pure and faultless" religion strictly in terms of ethical conduct. As he sees it, the actions of individuals are far more important than the mere content of their intellectual beliefs. He insists that "faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."
Furthermore, the standard of goodness is obedience to the laws of God. In obeying what the writer (James) calls "the perfect law that gives freedom," individuals gain their true freedom.
The writer also has much to say about the harm that may arise from gossip and careless use of the tongue.
The letter ends rather abruptly but emphasizes the type of ethical conduct that should always characterize the life of a true Christian."
Source: Coles Notes

If this quote represents they way of thinking of the Vaill family then there is no way Nick would agree to the built in fantasy date "process".

We already know he attended church with Brian, Josh, and Dylan after the stripper GD.  That he attended church as per an ig pic in Venice with what looks to be Brian and Josh (it only shows them from behind and I don't recall which produer posted it but Brian commented on it so he is confirmed) and that he and Brian pointed out the beautiful churches as they approached Venice on the boat.  You can fault Nick for incurring the wrath of the other guys, some brought on by his own flaws/some unwarranted but since that time he appears to have reconciled with a lot of guys through SM.  

Food for thought... and yes, I realize talk of religion is something this show avoids however that doesn't mean it isn't relevant especially since most marriages are sanctioned in a place of worship.

So clarify in my own mind, you are speculating that Nick might leave before the Fantasy suite portion of the date?  So, if RS is to believed (I realize the significance of what I am saying), Josh would be the only one to have the overnight portion of the date since RS indicated that Chris gets let go before the evening portion of the FD.

I am speculating that Nick will not be going into the fantasy suite. A foreshadowing of that is that Nick had the key to Andi's room but didn't use it.  
I have no idea what will occur with any remaining guys. I suppose they will have made what ever decision best suits them which is as it should be.

Totally agree; however, I would be shocked if the producers would allow only Josh to have the overnight date - kind of sucks the life out of the drama

[soccermom333]

I think Nick will be there for the FS date. If he leaves or is let go before, and comes back to propose at the final rose ceremony, it will be a repeat of Reid and Jillian. She let him go after the FS and then producers talked him into coming back and making a fool of himself.   

I think we need screen caps. Not sure if everyone is just going on the tweet from his brother to determine if Nick is let go early????

[ironcat]

Going to the FS does not mean that the couple has to have sex, even though that's what MF would like you to believe.  Since I don't believe that Andi would have sex with anyone except her F1, and since I don't think that Nick is F1, I don't think he had the opportunity to do more than talk and cuddle with her, but even if he is F1, I doubt Andi held a gun to his head and forced him to "perform" if he didn't want to.  :giggle:  Emily of course was so afraid for her reputation as a mother that she couldn't even allow the appearance of anything going on, but I'd be surprised if Nick was the same, regardless of how devout he may be. JMO.

[Piper61]

Going to the FS does not mean that the couple has to have sex, even though that's what MF would like you to believe.  Since I don't believe that Andi would have sex with anyone except her F1, and since I don't think that Nick is F1, I don't think he had the opportunity to do more than talk and cuddle with her, but even if he is F1, I doubt Andi held a gun to his head and forced him to "perform" if he didn't want to.  :giggle:  Emily of course was so afraid of her reputation as a mother that she couldn't even allow the appearance of anything going on, but I'd be surprised if Nick was the same, regardless of how devout he may be. JMO.

You have put into words what I was thinking as well. ITA.

[Hotmomma]

I think there will be a FS for nick too. I mean he had no trouble going to her hotel room in this episode coming up.he wants to spend all the time he can with Andi.He has said as much.

I think all this bromance going on is the guys backing Nick up saying they were friends with him. Nothing wrong with that!

I think nicks personality is coming out I think he lives to be snarky.JMO he did tweet before that is was a Great experience for him.

Can't wait for the extended preview!

[notarose]

So clarify in my own mind, you are speculating that Nick might leave before the Fantasy suite portion of the date?  So, if RS is to believed (I realize the significance of what I am saying), Josh would be the only one to have the overnight portion of the date since RS indicated that Chris gets let go before the evening portion of the FD.

I am speculating that Nick will not be going into the fantasy suite. A foreshadowing of that is that Nick had the key to Andi's room but didn't use it.  
I have no idea what will occur with any remaining guys. I suppose they will have made what ever decision best suits them which is as it should be.

Totally agree; however, I would be shocked if the producers would allow only Josh to have the overnight date  - kind of sucks the life out of the drama

Shocking perhaps but much better for a future relationship.  If Nick was the only one who she invited to the fantasy suite I could see him agreeing but not if he is one of two or three.  Appreciating that for Nick, I also appreciate it for Josh or Chris.  In order for that scenario to play out  I agree that something more would need to be in play for it to be a viewer worthy epi and TPTB want their audience engaged.
Speaking of engaged, if Chris & Nick are in the group of 3, they have both been engaged before so their perspective on all of this could be interestingly similar. If RS is correct, perhaps Chris left of his own accord... or Nick.  RS did get the spoiler wrong for a GD rose involving Chris.

[ironcat]

I am speculating that Nick will not be going into the fantasy suite. A foreshadowing of that is that Nick had the key to Andi's room but didn't use it.  
I have no idea what will occur with any remaining guys. I suppose they will have made what ever decision best suits them which is as it should be.

Totally agree; however, I would be shocked if the producers would allow only Josh to have the overnight date  - kind of sucks the life out of the drama

Shocking perhaps but much better for a future relationship.  If Nick was the only one who she invited to the fantasy suite I could see him agreeing but not if he is one of two or three.  Appreciating that for Nick, I also appreciate it for Josh or Chris.  In order for that scenario to play out  I agree that something more would need to be in play for it to be a viewer worthy epi and TPTB want their audience engaged.
Speaking of engaged, if Chris & Nick are in the group of 3, they have both been engaged before so their perspective on all of this could be interestingly similar. If RS is correct, perhaps Chris left of his own accord... or Nick.  RS did get the spoiler wrong for a GD rose involving Chris.

How would Nick know if he was the only one invited to the FS? I don't think Andi would be allowed to tell him that, for one, and if his date is first, then it's kind of moot, since he'd be the only one "so far", and I guess that wouldn't count.  :halo: 

[isittrue]

I am speculating that Nick will not be going into the fantasy suite. A foreshadowing of that is that Nick had the key to Andi's room but didn't use it.  
I have no idea what will occur with any remaining guys. I suppose they will have made what ever decision best suits them which is as it should be.

Totally agree; however, I would be shocked if the producers would allow only Josh to have the overnight date  - kind of sucks the life out of the drama

Shocking perhaps but much better for a future relationship.  If Nick was the only one who she invited to the fantasy suite I could see him agreeing but not if he is one of two or three.  Appreciating that for Nick, I also appreciate it for Josh or Chris.  In order for that scenario to play out  I agree that something more would need to be in play for it to be a viewer worthy epi and TPTB want their audience engaged.
Speaking of engaged, if Chris & Nick are in the group of 3, they have both been engaged before so their perspective on all of this could be interestingly similar. If RS is correct, perhaps Chris left of his own accord... or Nick.  RS did get the spoiler wrong for a GD rose involving Chris.

Regarding the bolded, that is what I am wondering, is Nick in actuality F3 but does not explain plane video

[remockered]

I think something goes down after they hear about Eric's death. Hometowns are next Monday, the 7 th right? So FSD would be prior to the MTA taping, correct? Is it possible she sent everyone but Josh home, but they had to stay on the island to create suspense later? But then they must of met the family, or at least Nick did. So confizzled; so many scenarios.

[remockered]

I think something goes down after they hear about Eric's death. Hometowns are next Monday, the 7 th right? So FSD would be prior to the MTA taping, correct? Is it possible she sent everyone but Josh home, but they had to stay on the island to create suspense later? But then they must of met the family, or at least Nick did. So confizzled; so many scenarios.

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