Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 8 - HTDs - Jul 07/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

grace8136 wrote:

relaxing wrote:

nutty1 wrote:At this point, I think many people are looking for clues for their favorite, dismissing the rest. JMO, of course.

Marcus and Chris are my favs and the only evidence of F1  I've seen is for Josh.  Everything else is speculation and conjecture from my point of view. Just an opinion.

All we had in Des's season on Chris was speculation and conjecture. Chris posted a pic on instagram of himself sitting on the pig in Seattle with #piggyback. That was one of the best clues we got, so you just never know what matters and what doesn't. If I don't agree that a tweet or whatever is a clue, I don't see how that matters?    We can all have our own perspective. I'm always hopeful that RS will be foiled again, but sadly the odds seem against it this time.

Just curious, how did you determine #piggyback was a clue?

GuardianAngel wrote:

luvlady345 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

BTW, Josh only came home less than a day after Nick, so therefore, is he really home later????

Well what would you call it?  The same day?  See perfect example , I guess I could have said not on the same flight...

If I may respectfully respond my opinion on Auntie's point, it's not three or four days which is the norm for the lead and F1.

Thanks GA, that is what I was trying to get at. If that's the case, then is Josh really F1? Could he not be F2 or something along those lines??

Ash2214 wrote:^ Technically, if she did pick him, they did essentially get three days. The FRC was the 9th and he arrived home in the afternoon on the 12th. Even though there are wrap parties on the 9th, they still would have been together as a couple if she did pick him and then for half a day on the 12th. Andi started media rounds basically the next day. There wasn't much room to go with. Regardless, Nick came home the 11th and Josh came home on the 12th.

Well, in the past, the date of the FRC was a "dead" day for the F1/lead as the wrap party is on that day. Therefore, it was often considered that the next day onward is wht is considered as the honeymoon time. Yea, Nick came home on the night of the 11th, Josh was home early afternoon on the 12th.

sdmom wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

relaxing wrote:

Marcus and Chris are my favs and the only evidence of F1  I've seen is for Josh.  Everything else is speculation and conjecture from my point of view. Just an opinion.

All we had in Des's season on Chris was speculation and conjecture. Chris posted a pic on instagram of himself sitting on the pig in Seattle with #piggyback. That was one of the best clues we got, so you just never know what matters and what doesn't. If I don't agree that a tweet or whatever is a clue, I don't see how that matters?    We can all have our own perspective. I'm always hopeful that RS will be foiled again, but sadly the odds seem against it this time.

Just curious, how did you determine #piggyback was a clue?

Des gave Chris a piggyback ride (during the baseball part) on his HTD. Sitting on the pig was already a clue, but the hashtag more so. His company also congratulated Chris on the season a few days early. They didn't say he won, but it was a positive message. It was quickly taken down. There were other subtle clues, but no smoking guns.

Max64 wrote:

b wrote:

Judiful wrote:
     The bottom line is we are only exposed to the  heavily edited portions to the conversations allowed by TPTB..It would be cool to be a fly on the wall. There is no way all Andi and Josh talked about all day long and late into the evening was those infamous trust issues .....That's JMO  From the little we have seen...I would guess they are playful, flirty and lots of fun together..and I think it        was game over after their first kiss !!  

    Enjoyed reading this.  I bolded my thoughts as well.  Are they just trying to show Josh as the physical edit and Nick as the emotional/mental one?  If so, they've succeeded w Josh (lots of chemistry between them), but I think her relationship w Nick has been shown to emotional/intellectual and physical.  If spoilers are true, I hope Josh is a better communicator than they have shown, otherwise, I don't see them lasting b/c Andi (the edited version anyway) certainly needs that.

I agree on that one!  I think that was a large part of her frustration with him last episode on the GD.  She was looking for him to articulate what it is that he "liked" about her and their relationship, something to make her feel confident in how he felt (I don't think she was necessarily looking for an ILY at that point either).  Instead he was giving her an 8th grade response.  Nick expresses himself much better, I think Marcus and Chris do as well, but we've just seen more of Nick.

Oh yeah, Nick knows how to pepper the gumbo with a lot of words and details but it causes me to question his sincerity and I think Andi is questioning it too. She did say week 5 that Nick could be manipulating her.

I really don't know what else Josh is supposed to tell her at this point. We've seen week after week of her questioning him and we have it from her own mouth that she grills him. Week one she's already distrusting him because he's confident. Week 2 he asks her not to stereotype him. She asks how he's different and cuts him off before he can tell her. They have a little chat before the RC and she cuts him off again after asking him a question. Week 3 she calls BS on his nervousness at the GD. Week 4 she asks him his fear. He tells her he fears being hurt and hurting someone. Week 5 She tells him she has to be careful with a pretty face like his. Josh explains that the kind of family he wants doesn't jive with minor league ball. He tells her he's been cheated on and it's the worst. She informs him that her questions have been answered and gives him a rose. The very next week Josh finds himself hooked up to a lie detector test. How could he not take it personally based on edit? After 6 weeks of her grilling I would be a little frustrated with the situation and could see myself answering her why should I trust you question with Because I said so. If she grilled all the guys like she did Josh it's a wonder any of them stuck around.

cindebugg wrote:

Max64 wrote:

b wrote:

    Enjoyed reading this.  I bolded my thoughts as well.  Are they just trying to show Josh as the physical edit and Nick as the emotional/mental one?  If so, they've succeeded w Josh (lots of chemistry between them), but I think her relationship w Nick has been shown to emotional/intellectual and physical.  If spoilers are true, I hope Josh is a better communicator than they have shown, otherwise, I don't see them lasting b/c Andi (the edited version anyway) certainly needs that.

I agree on that one!  I think that was a large part of her frustration with him last episode on the GD.  She was looking for him to articulate what it is that he "liked" about her and their relationship, something to make her feel confident in how he felt (I don't think she was necessarily looking for an ILY at that point either).  Instead he was giving her an 8th grade response.  Nick expresses himself much better, I think Marcus and Chris do as well, but we've just seen more of Nick.

Oh yeah, Nick knows how to pepper the gumbo with a lot of words and details but it causes me to question his sincerity and I think Andi is questioning it too.  She did say week 5 that Nick could be manipulating her.

I really don't know what else Josh is supposed to tell her at this point.  We've seen week after week of her questioning him and we have it from her own mouth that she grills him.  Week one she's already distrusting him because he's confident. Week 2 he asks her not to stereotype him. She asks how he's different and cuts him off before he can tell her. They have a little chat before the RC and she cuts him off again after asking him a question.  Week 3 she calls BS on his nervousness at the GD.  Week 4 she asks him his fear. He tells her he fears being hurt and hurting someone.  Week 5 She tells him she has to be careful with a pretty face like his. Josh explains that the kind of family he wants doesn't jive with minor league ball.  He tells her he's been cheated on and it's the worst. She informs him that her questions have been answered and gives him a rose.  The very next week Josh finds himself hooked up to a lie detector test.  How could he not take it personally based on edit?  After 6 weeks of her grilling I would be a little frustrated with the situation and could see myself answering her why should I trust you question with Because I said so.  If she grilled all the guys like she did Josh it's a wonder any of them stuck around.

Nice post cinde, :WAVEY: 

grace8136 wrote:

sdmom wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

All we had in Des's season on Chris was speculation and conjecture. Chris posted a pic on instagram of himself sitting on the pig in Seattle with #piggyback. That was one of the best clues we got, so you just never know what matters and what doesn't. If I don't agree that a tweet or whatever is a clue, I don't see how that matters?    We can all have our own perspective. I'm always hopeful that RS will be foiled again, but sadly the odds seem against it this time.

Just curious, how did you determine #piggyback was a clue?

Des gave Chris a piggyback ride (during the baseball part) on his HTD. Sitting on the pig was already a clue, but the hashtag more so. His company also congratulated Chris on the season a few days early. They didn't say he won, but it was a positive message. It was quickly taken down. There were other subtle clues, but no smoking guns.

i second the bolded   . --well except that infamous SH shirtless full smile adorable pic that just 'did' it for me   
if i may add on the piggy ride :
-- Catherine was also riding the same piggy at Pike Market on her HTD with Sean (cue-ing : the Seattlelite F1)
-- the pink pig is the piggybank (for charity?) IIRC. One of my 'secret alliance'   that time suggested it can also translate to : 'ride the money all the way to the bank '  aka RS and all the spoiler sources get punked, Fleissed, successfully... 

Many times the lead has a good idea from night one who the F1 will be.

 I am wondering if Josh was it from the beginning, that the time frame shortening the honeymoon time on DR was irrelevant as the couple would be in the same city and be able to see each other on the lam much easier.

gabriele wrote:
some here are saying if they did in fact spend ~5 days in cancun it was partly to make up for the lack of time post-FRC in the DR. that is plausible to me.

That's a great point! I must have missed that, I had not see that theory before. Very possible.

Kashathediva wrote:Many times the lead has a good idea from night one who the F1 will be.

 I am wondering if Josh was it from the beginning, that the time frame shortening the honeymoon time on DR was irrelevant as the couple would be in the same city and be able to see each other on the lam much easier.

That makes total sense as well.

Kashathediva wrote:Many times the lead has a good idea from night one who the F1 will be.

 I am wondering if Josh was it from the beginning, that the time frame shortening the honeymoon time on DR was irrelevant as the couple would be in the same city and be able to see each other on the lam much easier.

I can certainly agree that this scenario is a very real possibility.

Kashathediva wrote:Many times the lead has a good idea from night one who the F1 will be.

 I am wondering if Josh was it from the beginning, that the time frame shortening the honeymoon time on DR was irrelevant as the couple would be in the same city and be able to see each other on the lam much easier.

But they didn't know who would be f1 before they created the travel schedule I assume. I really think Eagle's theory makes the most sense- they would have had 5 days like everyone else if filming wasn't delayed for a few days.

Alanna wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:Many times the lead has a good idea from night one who the F1 will be.

 I am wondering if Josh was it from the beginning, that the time frame shortening the honeymoon time on DR was irrelevant as the couple would be in the same city and be able to see each other on the lam much easier.

But they didn't know who would be f1 before they created the travel schedule I assume. I really think Eagle's theory makes the most sense- they would have had 5 days like everyone else if filming wasn't delayed for a few days.

Yes, of course, but the schedule was altered very unfortunately from Eric's death. 
At that point, most leads do know who their F1 are, many know from the M/G. 
So the abbreviated honeymoon phase would not be such a hardship for local lovers very cross country lovers.