Re: Josh Murray - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #3

[bilolo]

I think it's not easy to compare Andi's relationship with Nick and Marcus to hers with Josh, as the two had already their one on ones which allowed us to see more about them and Josh is still waiting for his turn but even taking that into consideration, he still can compete with them as to who's Andi's favorite based on what we've seen imo.

PS : sorry for my bad english  

[Piper61]

Just wanted to bring this topic back to life in the Josh thread since I think it's actually a big clue. The bracelet that he's been wearing on his right wrist seems to be purple and gold. Someone pointed out that those are LSU's colors where Andi went to school. I believe the black one he wears on the same wrist is for UGA bulldogs. It would make sense for her to give him the gold and purple as sort of a joke but to represent their blending. He also wore this bracelet at the wedding he was at last  weekend. 

https://i.servimg.com/u/f39/18/80/10/51/image13.jpg

Yes, I brought that up and I could totally see Andi doing this because I cannot see any other reason why he would be wearing purple and gold.  Maybe someone else has other thoughts as to explanation but the Murray's are all in for the Bulldogs and LSU is an SEC rival to them.  It isn't in support of Aaron with the Chiefs because they are red and gold.

[bilolo]

Someone can ask him on twitter "i like your wrist band where can i find it ?"  

[Piper61]

I truly think hometowns will seal the deal for her. She'll get to see josh with his family and how much he loves them and vice versa and she'll see herself fitting in with them and the lifestyle.

I can totally see it. Both of their families will mesh together very well.

[Piper61]

For the bracelets you should put a picture and comment in the F1,2,3 facts thread for later, because that is a good catch!

Thank you.,   If anything, until a better explanation is put forth, that one little gesture acknowledges Josh as F1 to me more than Nick's video. Having said that, I am still cautious.  :shocked!: 

[Piper61]

I think it's not easy to compare Andi's relationship with Nick and Marcus to hers with Josh, as the two had already their one on ones which allowed us to see more about them and Josh is still waiting for his turn but even taking that into consideration, he still can compete with them as to who's Andi's favorite based on what we've seen imo.

PS : sorry for my bad english  

Your English is just fine and I agree.   

[sbolduc]

^^^I know it would have been for me.    Their 1on1 times together have totally made me smile.

See, I really like Josh and think he is smitten, but Andi always seems to be questioning him and testing him.  It is starting to remind me of Emily with Arie.  Maybe it is my bias.  I look forward to their 1:1 to see if Andi is softer with him.  I like the way Andi is with Nick.  I think she is hot for Josh, but other than her kissing him parts, I haven't liked her with him.  

I think she picks no one at the FRC.  If she picks someone, it will be Josh (as seems to be the case from the Nick plane vid unless it's a ruse) but they have to stop showing the kinds of scenes they are showing with Nick because there is a lot of intimacy there.

At the courtyard dinner she was stroking his fingers while he was talking similar to what he was doing with her in the casino scene. The dinner started at 9:15 then at 12:30 they are at the tower.  Why were we shown the clocks? Up on the tower he is either whispering in her ear or kissing her neck before she rapidly turns so they can smooch.  When they are facing each other to kiss she reaches up with her hand to touch his face or neck but his hand moves hers out of the way and he holds her face/neck instead.  This is a man who knows what he wants and she isn't shying away from him.  What the heck happened on that hike that got them to this point so quickly?  
Back at the casino, his hand travels from her hip to her bare thigh then he rubs the inner side of her leg with his thumb.  This time he is the one who plays with her fingers (it seems to be their thing).  Edit cuts to them squeezed into a tight place and she is shown twice grinning like a Cheshire Cat.  Like was there no where else to stand in the casino.  I actually think he is still uncomfortable with the camera.  What's gonna happen when he's not?  They'll probably just show lots of convo because ....

Really, it's as if her body is his canvas.

Now this would be a physical edit except they do have conversations. They have great bits of convo even in little cocktail party times.  None of this "your so beautiful" , "I want to kiss you" stuff.  Instead they just do it, kiss, caress, talk about their last date or how he felt on the group date.

Oh, and THIS is after he has been on 2 dates (a 1-1 and a GD). And, there was that scene outside the doorway with the flowers/note where she wouldn't even wait for him to take off his jackets before drawing him in.  It was like he had arrived home from work and she just couldn't wait any longer.

I have no prob with Josh being F1.  I just think that following his 1-1, the edit should tone done the showing of her intimacy with Nick.  Intimacy is a lot more meaningful than a bunch of kissing and the F1 doesn't need to see that.

I'm sorry but what was the point of this post? Because all you talked about was Nick and And's interaction. You can't compare Nick and Josh yet until we've seen their 1on1 but I'll counteract your analysis as soon as Josh gets a 1on1 to be fair

Totally agree on both posts. To be fair we need to wait for episode 5 to see Andi and Josh and their intimacy. But I also agree on your comments notarose at this point Andi and Nick are very intimate more so than anyone else. They will have to cool that off in the edit if Josh is F1 IMO.

[docnash14]

But why would they hide a lot of the PI and conversations they had ? Don't they want the audience to believe that the two will make it in real life ? By not showing them talk about important things, it makes it difficult for the viewer to think about a lasting relationship.

They showed a lot important discussions between Ashley and JP, it was always a real talk and everybody was impressed about it.

I think episode 5 will the really telling, I am seeing three guys in the race at this point, mostly Josh v. Nick, with Marcus coming from behind. Episode 5 will be Josh' real first chance to have meaningful conversation with her, I think its hard at the RC and group dates, and I am hoping we get to see it.

Agreed and what I would add is that I wouldn't expect there to be significant intimate conversation between them at this point given the limited time they have had together. I think the conversation about Josh's fears was a good start appropriately without a lot of detail. The show, of course, is not set up to accommodate the healthy pace of a new relationship; however, ideally, what happens in a new relationship is that the couple uses small talk as a tool to test the water as trust develops (e.g. one person shares something similar to what Josh did both about not having had a relationship in five years and his fear about getting hurt and then observes how it was received by the other person. If s/he senses acceptance, that signals it's safe to proceed to the next level of discussion and hopefully next level of emotional intimacy.) In the meantime, it's an opportunity to feed the physical chemistry and just have fun together.

[Piper61]

Seriously though you don't think it's intimate when a man and a woman are forehead to forehead whispering to each other and sharing kisses? This has happen twice so far with Josh and Andi.... They have showed us at least one serious conversation between them when they talked about Andi stereotyping him....Josh haven't had an one/one date so it's like comparing apples/oranges, I like Josh but if he is not F1 that will be fine, but to say they haven't had intimacy is odd....

I never talked about Josh at all except to say he is probably F1.
I only described Nick & Andi's interactions... Not hers with Josh.

Your points about Nick and Andi's intimacy are well taken.  At this point they seem to have connected on the level of being comfortable physically as well as philosophically about what they are looking for in a great love, long lasting relationship.  

I see a level of intimacy with her and Josh that is also comfortable physically, actually even more so in that they have been totally in each other's faces and giddy in their physical interactions.  To me, not settling means not taking anything less than 100% physical attraction from the start and building to that intellectual, mutually satisfying mental and philosophical attraction.  I don't think I am explaining this very well, but in my head, I know what I am trying to say.     When Andi and Josh are together and she reaches in and pinches his face, and their ensuing conversation and interaction, is a very intimate moment to me.  That is to me a gesture that a couple has when they have been connected for a longer period of time than just a couple of weeks.  

I can't wait for their date...I hope we get as much exposure of any substance between them as we have with the other dates.

[ThankMeLater]

Also in the preview for ep 5 you see Andi kiss Josh's nose. To me that's a pretty big intimate moment IMO.

[janeh810]

I love when she pinches his face. His dimple? She takes the initiative with him, like when she put her forehead against his forehead and they kissed. This is what we see when the cameras are rolling. There is much more we don't see, reasons why she is so comfortable being physical towards him. There are many more deleted scenes.

I'm going with RS's findings. He can't afford to be wrong twice regarding who the Bachelorette chooses as her F1. But, I know Fleiss would love for RS to lose his readership. The bracelets are significant though. And, hope we will find other clues to seal the deal.

[Longhornfan]

^^^I know it would have been for me.    Their 1on1 times together have totally made me smile.

See, I really like Josh and think he is smitten, but Andi always seems to be questioning him and testing him.  It is starting to remind me of Emily with Arie.  Maybe it is my bias.  I look forward to their 1:1 to see if Andi is softer with him.  I like the way Andi is with Nick.  I think she is hot for Josh, but other than her kissing him parts, I haven't liked her with him.  

I think she picks no one at the FRC.  If she picks someone, it will be Josh (as seems to be the case from the Nick plane vid unless it's a ruse) but they have to stop showing the kinds of scenes they are showing with Nick because there is a lot of intimacy there.

At the courtyard dinner she was stroking his fingers while he was talking similar to what he was doing with her in the casino scene. The dinner started at 9:15 then at 12:30 they are at the tower.  Why were we shown the clocks? Up on the tower he is either whispering in her ear or kissing her neck before she rapidly turns so they can smooch.  When they are facing each other to kiss she reaches up with her hand to touch his face or neck but his hand moves hers out of the way and he holds her face/neck instead.  This is a man who knows what he wants and she isn't shying away from him.  What the heck happened on that hike that got them to this point so quickly?  
Back at the casino, his hand travels from her hip to her bare thigh then he rubs the inner side of her leg with his thumb.  This time he is the one who plays with her fingers (it seems to be their thing).  Edit cuts to them squeezed into a tight place and she is shown twice grinning like a Cheshire Cat.  Like was there no where else to stand in the casino.  I actually think he is still uncomfortable with the camera.  What's gonna happen when he's not?  They'll probably just show lots of convo because ....

Really, it's as if her body is his canvas.

Now this would be a physical edit except they do have conversations. They have great bits of convo even in little cocktail party times.  None of this "your so beautiful" , "I want to kiss you" stuff.  Instead they just do it, kiss, caress, talk about their last date or how he felt on the group date.

Oh, and THIS is after he has been on 2 dates (a 1-1 and a GD). And, there was that scene outside the doorway with the flowers/note where she wouldn't even wait for him to take off his jackets before drawing him in.  It was like he had arrived home from work and she just couldn't wait any longer.

I have no prob with Josh being F1.  I just think that following his 1-1, the edit should tone done the showing of her intimacy with Nick.  Intimacy is a lot more meaningful than a bunch of kissing and the F1 doesn't need to see that.

Notarose, love love this!! Can you move this over to Nick's thread, because I would love for us to continue this conversation? Thanks!!

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