Re: The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers Thread #2

[Aunties_Love]

How do you know these Auntie ? You're stating as fact.

She tweeted the sunset pic from the lake, the tweeting addy was atlanta.  As far as the sister taking the pic idea is that I was putting out another thought.  I didn't state it as a fact.  

No Auntie english is not my first language but when you say "for all we know his sister took the pic" that's fact. I'd call that jumping into conclusion as you say.

 I am NOT jumping to conclusions, but rather putting a different thought or spin on it.  Not everything has to do with Andi and Josh being together is all I am trying to say.

[bilolo]

She tweeted the sunset pic from the lake, the tweeting addy was atlanta.  As far as the sister taking the pic idea is that I was putting out another thought.  I didn't state it as a fact.  

No Auntie english is not my first language but when you say "for all we know his sister took the pic" that's fact.  I'd call that jumping into conclusion as you say.

 I am NOT jumping to conclusions, but rather putting a different thought or spin on it.  Not everything has to do with Andi and Josh being together is all I am trying to say.

As i said maybe that was your intention but as you worded it i did take it as jumping into conclusion.

[Aunties_Love]

All can't be foilers guys.

But the issue is if you believe 1 is then all must be

But there lies the crux of the problem for me. I don't believe the spoilers nor do I believe that all the SM is real. There is so much out there...far more than anything in the past. It is also out there cause the producers want it to be. For this reason, I look at it and wonder why? Why is the production team so determined that the Josh stuff is there? Does it have to do with someone else being the F1?

I touched on this "idea" that I had a while ago and after some more thought, I do think it is a rational possibility.

What if Josh is let go at F3. That would leave Chris and Nick the F2. Josh comes back and crashes Nick's date. That would account for why Nick is so upset and mad at Josh. In the meantime, The other part of the video where Nick states that ____would do what she wants, would be the one to do everything for her. Now what if that guy is Chris. From their contact that we have seen, he's bowed to her, done what she wants, is so easy going, etc. What if that is how this turns out??? It would account for everything in the video, it would account for the annomosity between Nick and Josh post show. I am thinking that it is a strong possibility....and for arguments sake........all of the above is IMO.

[Mirzam]

All can't be foilers guys.

But the issue is if you believe 1 is then all must be

But there lies the crux of the problem for me.  I don't believe the spoilers nor do I believe that all the SM is real.  There is so much out there...far more than anything in the past.  It is also out there cause the producers want it to be.  For this reason, I look at it and wonder why?  Why is the production team so determined that the Josh stuff is there?  Does it have to do with someone else being the F1?

I touched on this "idea" that I had a while ago and after some more thought, I do think it is a rational possibility.

What if Josh is let go at F3.  That would leave Chris and Nick the F2.  Josh comes back and crashes Nick's date.  That would account for why Nick is so upset and mad at Josh.  In the meantime, The other part of the video where Nick states that ____would do what she wants, would be the one to do everything for her.  Now what if that guy is Chris.  From their contact that we have seen, he's bowed to her, done what she wants, is so easy going, etc.  What if that is how this turns out???  It would account for everything in the video, it would account for the annomosity between Nick and Josh post show.  I am thinking that it is a strong possibility....and for arguments sake........all of the above is IMO.

And if Chris goes out at F3 - like the spoilers say - then what? Who would be F1?

[Aunties_Love]

I don't feel Josh was in Cancun for a SH visit. It never made any sense and didn't believe any of the arguments on behalf of it being one. The fact that we never saw Marcus (or Brooks) at BIP means that it's also possible that Josh was there. If he's there under cover so to speak then perhaps it's possible that they kept it from sources that feed RS or anyone else. I don't know what the answer is but think it's interesting that he & Marcus are just now tweeting each other and both recently came back from Mexico.

I haven't really looked at the ribbon that closely but is it reasonable that a ribbon could be worn for that long and not be shredded or dirty? I could see him wearing a yellow rubber wristband though. I wonder if he has someone in the military?

I agree albean. I seriously think that Josh's visit to Cancun was for BIP. BTW, if RS is getting his info from the same source as what gave him the Brooks as F1 info, whose to say he's not getting Fleissed again?? I just don't think that Josh's visit to Cancun at the same time of BIP can be so easily dismissed. The other SM "clues" also seem weak too so am leary of them as well.

[nannymargie]

I don't feel Josh was in Cancun for a SH visit. It never made any sense and didn't believe any of the arguments on behalf of it being one. The fact that we never saw Marcus (or Brooks) at BIP means that it's also possible that Josh was there. If he's there under cover so to speak then perhaps it's possible that they kept it from sources that feed RS or anyone else. I don't know what the answer is but think it's interesting that he & Marcus are just now tweeting each other and both recently came back from Mexico.

I haven't really looked at the ribbon that closely but is it reasonable that a ribbon could be worn for that long and not be shredded or dirty? I could see him wearing a yellow rubber wristband though. I wonder if he has someone in the military?

I agree albean.  I seriously think that Josh's visit to Cancun was for BIP.  BTW, if RS is getting his info from the same source as what gave him the Brooks as F1 info, whose to say he's not getting Fleissed again??  I just don't think that Josh's visit to Cancun at the same time of BIP can be so easily dismissed.  The other SM "clues" also seem weak too so am leary of them as well.

Just maybe that is what TPTB want you to think that Josh is there for BIP.  Some of us are not buying it.  Nothing wrong with us believing what we believe.

[Aunties_Love]

But the issue is if you believe 1 is then all must be

But there lies the crux of the problem for me.  I don't believe the spoilers nor do I believe that all the SM is real.  There is so much out there...far more than anything in the past.  It is also out there cause the producers want it to be.  For this reason, I look at it and wonder why?  Why is the production team so determined that the Josh stuff is there?  Does it have to do with someone else being the F1?

I touched on this "idea" that I had a while ago and after some more thought, I do think it is a rational possibility.

What if Josh is let go at F3.  That would leave Chris and Nick the F2.  Josh comes back and crashes Nick's date.  That would account for why Nick is so upset and mad at Josh.  In the meantime, The other part of the video where Nick states that ____would do what she wants, would be the one to do everything for her.  Now what if that guy is Chris.  From their contact that we have seen, he's bowed to her, done what she wants, is so easy going, etc.  What if that is how this turns out???  It would account for everything in the video, it would account for the annomosity between Nick and Josh post show.  I am thinking that it is a strong possibility....and for arguments sake........all of the above is IMO.

And if Chris goes out at F3 - like the spoilers say - then what? Who would be F1?

I am not sure. Probably Nick. I just don't see the personalities of Josh and Andi making it. They both seem to want to butt heads and be strong headed. In a long term relationship, that generally doesn't work well. It is a give and take and so far, both want to be king/queen of the show and that may not make it in the real world.

[Kashathediva]

Guys: 
I am in the process of editing this thread to keep it nice. 
Just a reminder...thank you.

[Mirzam]

But there lies the crux of the problem for me.  I don't believe the spoilers nor do I believe that all the SM is real.  There is so much out there...far more than anything in the past.  It is also out there cause the producers want it to be.  For this reason, I look at it and wonder why?  Why is the production team so determined that the Josh stuff is there?  Does it have to do with someone else being the F1?

I touched on this "idea" that I had a while ago and after some more thought, I do think it is a rational possibility.

What if Josh is let go at F3.  That would leave Chris and Nick the F2.  Josh comes back and crashes Nick's date.  That would account for why Nick is so upset and mad at Josh.  In the meantime, The other part of the video where Nick states that ____would do what she wants, would be the one to do everything for her.  Now what if that guy is Chris.  From their contact that we have seen, he's bowed to her, done what she wants, is so easy going, etc.  What if that is how this turns out???  It would account for everything in the video, it would account for the annomosity between Nick and Josh post show.  I am thinking that it is a strong possibility....and for arguments sake........all of the above is IMO.

And if Chris goes out at F3 - like the spoilers say - then what? Who would be F1?

I am not sure.  Probably Nick.  I just don't see the personalities of Josh and Andi making it.  They both seem to want to butt heads and be strong headed.  In a long term relationship, that generally doesn't work well. It is a give and take and so far, both want to be king/queen of the show and that may not make it in the real world.

The bolded implies you believe the plane video is legit and not a foiler. For Nick to be F1, the video has to be faked (IMO).

[bilolo]

Albean posted something that I have thougth about myself. here it is.........

[b]It seems coincidental that he's all of a sudden twitter buddies with Marcus. Maybe they got closer while on BIP?[/b/

Talking about Josh here. The fact is that he was in Cancum. That was not a fake picture or fake well timed tweet.


As sleuths this should be the least that should dismissed in sleuthing. It is not circumstantial and it is pretty much the only real proof we have.

Even the plane video could have been a setup IMO.

Oh i'm not gonna go with you, if you can say the video, snap chat and all are foilers then Josh talking to Marcus or going to Cancun are imo 1/10000 a clue. 

I think we should wait and see what happens with Marcus on monday (that's not much ) or til we get SC to sleuth.

Just a question, why is it so easy to dismiss the idea that Josh may be on BIP.  He was in the same area during the filming of it.  Also, why is it easy to dismiss that concept but we need to believe the other SM "clues" pointing to Josh as F1?  Just confused is all.[/quote]
Read my answer to nd i told her why i can't go there. Besides i'm not on the all the SM are clues but there are some things you can't deny even if it's not supporting your theory o who you believe is final 1. I don't even know if Josh was on BIP, how would i know ? But we can all speculate and say whaever we want, even if it's ridiculous, it'll be speculation til july 28th.

[Mirzam]

Not sure where to put this, but is Elan reading these boards?   

elan gale ‏@theyearofelan 5m
"You're entitled to your opinion" is just a nice way of saying "You have a stupid opinion"

[Aunties_Love]

Talking about Josh here. The fact is that he was in Cancum. That was not a fake picture or fake well timed tweet.


As sleuths this should be the least that should dismissed in sleuthing. It is not circumstantial and it is pretty much the only real proof we have.

Even the plane video could have been a setup IMO.

Oh i'm not gonna go with you, if you can say the video, snap chat and all are foilers then Josh talking to Marcus or going to Cancun are imo 1/10000 a clue. Like really.

I think we should wait and see what happens with Marcus on monday (that's not much ) or til we get SC to sleuth.

Just a question, why is it so easy to dismiss the idea that Josh may be on BIP.  He was in the same area during the filming of it.  Also, why is it easy to dismiss that concept but we need to believe the other SM "clues" pointing to Josh as F1?  Just confused is all.

Read my answer to nd i told her why i can't go there. Besides i'm not on the all the SM are clues but there are some things you can't deny even if it's not supporting your theory o who you believe is final 1. I don't even know if Josh was on BIP, how would i know ? But we can all speculate and say whaever we want, even if it's ridiculous, it'll be speculation til july 28th.[/quote] You will believe and I believe what I do, it doesn't mean that my beliefs are stupid though.  July 28th can't come soon enough.

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