Re: The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers Thread #2

[sdmom]

Andi is needy, I'll admit that, but probably not any more than a "normal" girfriend/fiance.  Well..... maybe just a little.     imo

Andi is needy [b]in the context of this stupid TV dating show. We have no idea what she's like in real life[/b], when she's happy and secure in a settled relationship with a guy who adores her. Now that she's got the man and she knows he's not going anywhere, I imagine she's significantly dialed back the crazy.

This can be said of ALL the contestants

[stuckinsc]

I think what Alanna is trying to say, (correct me if I am wrong Alanna) is no woman is going to be sitting at home allowing her fiance/boyfriend to "bar hop" whenever he pleases.  Des and Chris were skyping making dinner together.  Chris was out and about but never at a bar.  Mostly just seen golfing.

Josh and Andi I am sure are seeing more of each other because they live in the same city.  Very easy to do and not be caught.  The handlers are working overtime i am sure.  Lol

Andi is needy, I'll admit that, but probably not any more than a "normal" girfriend/fiance.  Well..... maybe just a little.     imo

I distinctly remember a pic of Chris at a Seattle festival type thing in a red shirt with a solo cup in his hand and his friends dog was in the pics. We also saw pics of Des going out at night with Ali and such. They did skype, but they also went out. Big deal.

And I go to bars without my husband after work with my work friends and he goes with his without me all the time. I find this normal.

I am okay with wanting one outcome or another really, but please, a pic in a bar with friends from the show, not a big deal. Andi has been out to bars with her friends since she got back. She was out in the ATL scene all dressed up on Saturday night, we have the pic of her and her friends.

What is the big deal that he met his pal Nick S in a bar for a drink and two girls were there? Chicago is a town you don't have to drive in at all, so it is not like drinking and driving is a problem.

I am in graduate school at a medical school, in a smaller town. Thursday, Friday and Saturday night the bars are full, and many of those people are married or in long distance relationships. If you trust someone, then them going to a bar to hang out with single friends is not a problem.

The look on his face also says to me, look, I am here, but I am being so good. Kind of cute. We can all like what we like, but one opinion on what a pic means is no more accurate than any other.

[ironcat]

There is nothing wrong with going out with friends when you're engaged/married under normal circumstances.  The waiting period of TB is in no way a normal circumstance.  They are newly engaged, then quickly separated and not allowed normal everyday contact with each other.  Their friends and colleagues for the most part can't be confided in.  Their visits every couple of weeks are supervised.  What part of this is normal?

If Nick is engaged to Andi, is he allowed to let off steam in a bar and have conversations with other women?  Absolutely.  Is it something he would want to do, rather than skype with his new fiancee and love of his life who is hundreds of miles away and who he can't even talk about in that bar?  Who knows?  My original comment was only that in past seasons, we really haven't been privy to random pics of F1s hanging out with the opposite sex in bars very much.  Other than Ed.  

[Aunties_Love]

Regarding the idea that too much circumstantial evidence makes it all suspect, I don't think that's the way it works in a court of law.   

As far as the picture of Nick with girls in a bar goes, of course it doesn't prove anything, and yes, he's not kissing or fondling either one, but I really don't recall seeing photos of past F1s hanging out in bars much during the waiting period (unless they're hosting viewing parties).  Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with it, but if you're madly in love with someone who you're only allowed to see every two weeks, I would hope you would act more like JP, who spent 3 hours a night skyping with Ashley when he couldn't be with her. JMO.

But we aren't dealing with a court of law, we are dealing with a tv show that NEVER lets that much out/happen UNLESS they are trying to hide something else. What this show says is usually the opposite, meaning with the social media, they are smacking us upside the head with a Josh ending, so if the past seasons are any example, Josh won't be the F1 in reality.

[Aunties_Love]

Regarding the idea that too much circumstantial evidence makes it all suspect, I don't think that's the way it works in a court of law.   

As far as the picture of Nick with girls in a bar goes, of course it doesn't prove anything, and yes, he's not kissing or fondling either one, but I really don't recall seeing photos of past F1s hanging out in bars much during the waiting period (unless they're hosting viewing parties).  Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with it, but if you're madly in love with someone who you're only allowed to see every two weeks, I would hope you would act more like JP, who spent 3 hours a night skyping with Ashley when he couldn't be with her. JMO.

Great point again Ironcat!    It is just not "typical" final 1 behavior.  Period.  You can argue the other side all day, but again not typical.  I remember when Brooks was spotted on the cruise, I knew it was not typical final 1 behavior.  Could he have still been final 1, of course, but just not probable.  

Neither is F1 behavior to be in Cancun and out tripping around. Of course RS is going to back up his spoiler and make sure that nothing is said about Josh being in BIP land...So will Fleiss for that matter. Don't forget, it was Fleiss and company who kept the secret of Chris and Des last season...I believe he has even a greater surprise there this time around.

[Aunties_Love]

^He was spotted at Johnny Rockets which is a fast food type place that specializes in malts and burgers.

But he was spotted in Cancun...shades of Brooks and his cruise if you ask me.

[Ash2214]

Regarding the idea that too much circumstantial evidence makes it all suspect, I don't think that's the way it works in a court of law.   

As far as the picture of Nick with girls in a bar goes, of course it doesn't prove anything, and yes, he's not kissing or fondling either one, but I really don't recall seeing photos of past F1s hanging out in bars much during the waiting period (unless they're hosting viewing parties).  Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with it, but if you're madly in love with someone who you're only allowed to see every two weeks, I would hope you would act more like JP, who spent 3 hours a night skyping with Ashley when he couldn't be with her. JMO.

But we aren't dealing with a court of law, we are dealing with a tv show that NEVER lets that much out/happen UNLESS they are trying to hide something else.  What this show says is usually the opposite, meaning with the social media, they are smacking us upside the head with a Josh ending, so if the past seasons are any example, Josh won't be the F1 in reality.

Can I just ask you a question? I remember back when I posted a lot of the social media clues, you were quick to point out to me that they couldn't be trusted, they were circumstantial at best and didn't really mean anything. What changed your mind that you now think we have too many social media clues when a few weeks ago you didn't think they meant anything? I'm just curious because I'm one to think that social media clues do play a role in figuring out who the F1 is to a certain degree.

[ironcat]

^He was spotted at Johnny Rockets which is a fast food type place that specializes in malts and burgers.

But he was spotted in Cancun...shades of Brooks and his cruise if you ask me.

Was he actually spotted in Cancun or just in the airport on the way there? If we knew he was on his way to a cruise, I'd agree with you that it's the same as Brooks. For all we know, he could have been going there for business.

[Ash2214]

^ Just spotted on the plane there and then less than a week later he was spotted in the airport again.

[cindebugg]

^He was spotted at Johnny Rockets which is a fast food type place that specializes in malts and burgers.

But he was spotted in Cancun...shades of Brooks and his cruise if you ask me.

I think the difference is that Josh flew to where the crew of TB was. Brooks went on a cruise by himself.

I can't see Josh being a contestant on BIP. What the audience will see is Josh getting his heart broken one week and the next week he's single and ready to mingle. It negates the claim that people actually fall in love on the show. For me there are only 2 options as to why Josh was there, A safe house visit or he's the next Bachelor. If he's the next Bachelor he really needs to cut the yellow bracelet off.

[Piper61]

Regarding the idea that too much circumstantial evidence makes it all suspect, I don't think that's the way it works in a court of law.   

As far as the picture of Nick with girls in a bar goes, of course it doesn't prove anything, and yes, he's not kissing or fondling either one, but I really don't recall seeing photos of past F1s hanging out in bars much during the waiting period (unless they're hosting viewing parties).  Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with it, but if you're madly in love with someone who you're only allowed to see every two weeks, I would hope you would act more like JP, who spent 3 hours a night skyping with Ashley when he couldn't be with her. JMO.

At some point, you (I) can (or do) start believing that 1+1+1+1+1+...etc., etc., does add up to a final and accurate total.  All in all, good post.

[Piper61]

^He was spotted at Johnny Rockets which is a fast food type place that specializes in malts and burgers.

But he was spotted in Cancun...shades of Brooks and his cruise if you ask me.

I think the difference is that Josh flew to where the crew of TB was.  Brooks went on a cruise by himself.

I can't see Josh being a contestant on BIP.  What the audience will see is Josh getting his heart broken one week and the next week he's single and ready to mingle.  It negates the claim that people actually fall in love on the show.   For me there are only 2 options as to why Josh was there, A safe house visit or he's the next Bachelor.  If he's the next Bachelor he really needs to cut the yellow bracelet off.  

   To me, it's not comparable to Brooks going on a cruise and you articulated my thoughts on why it isn't precisely.

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