Bachelorette 10: Edit-Storyline - *SPOILERS* - should we bother? Oooohhhh... why not?

JBF wrote:

nutty1 wrote:Let me ask all of you who think the tape is not the real deal (I am 99% sure it is). If Nick was going along with it, where do you think that would place Nick in the standings? F1 guy? F3 guy? If you think he was the F1 guy, why wasn't he with Andi so shortly after the FRC? Just questions to help me see others perspectives better.

My attitude about the video... and I am staying out of the debate here since it has been talked to death... is that it is inconclusive "maybe" evidence. Steve Boy is assuming an awful lot from a minimal of dialogue. Yeah, it could be "proof". We will know one way or the other at the end of the season.

NOW... I did add it to a listing I had pages back covering the "pros" and "cons" for each contestant. It is a "con" listed for Nick, Marcus and Chris and a "pro" for Josh. I was trying to be As Fair As Possible with those considering this video is the Holy Grail.

Why do I consider it inconclusive? Well... a lot of itty bitty things bug me about it. Maybe nothing that would bother those who are 99% sold on it, but these things do give ME pause...
1.) We do not hear the questions being asked on the phone.
2.) The video is split in two with parts missing from the conversation.
3.) Josh is mentioned by name only once. Is every use of "he" Josh? Or somebody else?
4.) Father Hy visited the guys at Meet & Greet. Last season, Nikki met Juan's family before hometowns. Why is Steve so certain any mention of "her" family (and, mind you, Andi is not named here... just female pronouns) 100% guarantees that even Nick made final two?
5.) Why is Steve ssssoooo certain there are no twists, no people "boomeranging" back after elimination, F3 dumpees being held over and all other possibilities that this season may not necessarily be a copycat of past seasons?
6.) If Josh is F1, why would Nick be concerned whether or not he says s***? What s*** would a F1 have to keep secret? Other than what chick-a-boom-boom action he is enjoying in the Safe House.
7.) If Josh will do whatever "she" wants... and we are only speculating "she" is Andi and not Cassie, Amy, Mommy Murray or some other female... what is it? Allowing her to handcuff him to the bed post? Have a "platonic" relationship for the media? I understand all he does is eat, sleep and s***... and yes, she must allow him to do that too. Yet does any of this conversation make sense?
8.) Why does Nick want to just hang out at K-Mart with Andi in "real life"? Is he serious? Was he even in love with the woman at all on the show? Or did he just want to win and have a "showmance"?
9.) On screen, he and Josh appear quite friendly. I still suspect Nick is discussing two guys and all he mentions is that Josh won't say s*** and expose anything that shouldn't be exposed.
10.) How do we know Nick didn't take a vacation post-show and just the timing is a coincidence?

Granted, I can't see the "@Warner Horizon MMXIV" stamp on it, but... *chuckle chuckle*

JBF wrote:

nutty1 wrote:Let me ask all of you who think the tape is not the real deal (I am 99% sure it is). If Nick was going along with it, where do you think that would place Nick in the standings? F1 guy? F3 guy? If you think he was the F1 guy, why wasn't he with Andi so shortly after the FRC? Just questions to help me see others perspectives better.

My attitude about the video... and I am staying out of the debate here since it has been talked to death... is that it is inconclusive "maybe" evidence. Steve Boy is assuming an awful lot from a minimal of dialogue. Yeah, it could be "proof". We will know one way or the other at the end of the season.

NOW... I did add it to a listing I had pages back covering the "pros" and "cons" for each contestant. It is a "con" listed for Nick, Marcus and Chris and a "pro" for Josh. I was trying to be As Fair As Possible with those considering this video is the Holy Grail.

Why do I consider it inconclusive? Well... a lot of itty bitty things bug me about it. Maybe nothing that would bother those who are 99% sold on it, but these things do give ME pause...
1.) We do not hear the questions being asked on the phone.
2.) The video is split in two with parts missing from the conversation.
3.) Josh is mentioned by name only once. Is every use of "he" Josh? Or somebody else?
4.) Father Hy visited the guys at Meet & Greet. Last season, Nikki met Juan's family before hometowns. Why is Steve so certain any mention of "her" family (and, mind you, Andi is not named here... just female pronouns) 100% guarantees that even Nick made final two?
5.) Why is Steve ssssoooo certain there are no twists, no people "boomeranging" back after elimination, F3 dumpees being held over and all other possibilities that this season may not necessarily be a copycat of past seasons?
6.) If Josh is F1, why would Nick be concerned whether or not he says s***? What s*** would a F1 have to keep secret? Other than what chick-a-boom-boom action he is enjoying in the Safe House.
7.) If Josh will do whatever "she" wants... and we are only speculating "she" is Andi and not Cassie, Amy, Mommy Murray or some other female... what is it? Allowing her to handcuff him to the bed post? Have a "platonic" relationship for the media? I understand all he does is eat, sleep and s***... and yes, she must allow him to do that too. Yet does any of this conversation make sense?
8.) Why does Nick want to just hang out at K-Mart with Andi in "real life"? Is he serious? Was he even in love with the woman at all on the show? Or did he just want to win and have a "showmance"?
9.) On screen, he and Josh appear quite friendly. I still suspect Nick is discussing two guys and all he mentions is that Josh won't say s*** and expose anything that shouldn't be exposed.
10.) How do we know Nick didn't take a vacation post-show and just the timing is a coincidence?

Granted, I can't see the "@Warner Horizon MMXIV" stamp on it, but... *chuckle chuckle*

pavalygurl wrote:You've got it, Steve is paid in site visits.  If his reputation is that he again has a bachelorette season wrong, sources will find other people to go to and fans will not visit as much/at all.  It is Steve's livelihood now.  MF is  businessman. RS messes with his business. He does not like RS, or the fact that RS spoils the Final contestants.  He sued him about it.  He may let RS get by with knowing some details, but not the endings. He really dislikes RS and he will do try to destroy him because, let's face it, he can.

pavalygurl wrote:I agree with what some others have said, they are two separate things.  Eric's heartbreaking death was unexpected.  How they chose to handle it had less to do with resources, time, etc. and more to do with their own values and perhaps integrity.  

As to RS, I think he is a gnat who has managed to get under MF's skin and now MF has had enough.  He has the above mentioned resources and a foiler such as the video would be simple to do.

murasaki1393 wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:You've got it, Steve is paid in site visits.  If his reputation is that he again has a bachelorette season wrong, sources will find other people to go to and fans will not visit as much/at all.  It is Steve's livelihood now.  MF is  businessman. RS messes with his business. He does not like RS, or the fact that RS spoils the Final contestants.  He sued him about it.  He may let RS get by with knowing some details, but not the endings. He really dislikes RS and he will do try to destroy him because, let's face it, he can.

pav, just curio..

1.what is your take about Eric's tragedy that may affect this season in term of MF's attempt to foil RS again (if any)?

2. (again, if any), do you think Nick is a kind of guy that can be dragged to 'play along'?

TIA

julychild wrote:Posted by Elan:


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nd4reality wrote:

nutty1 wrote:Let me ask all of you who think the tape is not the real deal (I am 99% sure it is). If Nick was going along with it, where do you think that would place Nick in the standings? F1 guy? F3 guy? If you think he was the F1 guy, why wasn't he with Andi so shortly after the FRC? Just questions to help me see others perspectives better.

Still one of the rejectees. He would not be traveling on that weekend if he was the F1. There I said it  :hidingchair .
In fact all that proves is that he is not the F1.

Josh may or may not be F1. She was too giddy in her interviews to have walked away alone so I'd say that she does have an F1.

I'd go to say that the probability of him being F1 is extremely high. But still not 100% for me.

notarose wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:You've got it, Steve is paid in site visits.  If his reputation is that he again has a bachelorette season wrong, sources will find other people to go to and fans will not visit as much/at all.  It is Steve's livelihood now.  MF is  businessman. RS messes with his business. He does not like RS, or the fact that RS spoils the Final contestants.  He sued him about it.  He may let RS get by with knowing some details, but not the endings. He really dislikes RS and he will do try to destroy him because, let's face it, he can.

pav, just curio..

1.what is your take about Eric's tragedy that may affect this season in term of MF's attempt to foil RS again (if any)?

2. (again, if any), do you think Nick is a kind of guy that can be dragged to 'play along'?

TIA

I don't think he can be dragged to play along regarding the vid.  If, 1% chance, the vid is a hoax it would be because he and someone else planned it.  Is Nick a practical joker?

julychild wrote:Posted by Elan:

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Tag: "casual Fridays"

And yes, his tie & pocket square are a match for when Andi a kitchen to thank him for the flowers.  
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JBF wrote:And let me tell you, nd4reality. I like Josh. I really like the dude! Just because the whole EDIT of this show is quirky... being more pro-Chris that pro-Josh... does not mean I will have a hissy fit if Josh marries Andi at the end of this.

No, I don't think they are a "compatible couple". Both are extroverts who like attention and are better suited to a partner who is more on the shy side. She does chase the "background boys" a lot this season. Chris, Marcus and Nick are not mugging the camera with Cody like Josh is.