Bachelorette 10: Edit-Storyline - *SPOILERS* - should we bother? Oooohhhh... why not?

JBF wrote:A list that can be updated as the season progresses… and, yes, I have left out of LOT of stuff everybody can add. Only dabbled into this season late in the game and not getting too involved with all of the media “stuff”.

Listing the Nick Vid as #2 evidence for each contestant, since I know how ssssssoooooooo important it is to this forum. The Nail In The Coffin for some.

Josh as F1

Pro: Reality Steve says YES
Pro: Reality Steve has "PROOF": two video extracts. One has Nick saying Josh won't say s**t and do whatever "she" wants. The 2nd has him praising "her" family, hinting Nick met them as part of F2. (Then again, since Hy met the guys in the mansion, there is also the possibility of the family meeting more than the top 2. )
Con: Reality Steve's batting average with Bachelor is great (4 hits out of 5), but he is less successful with Bachelorette. He said he was 1000% certain Ali F. left Bora Bora single, was very slow determining Emily's outcome (but guessing correctly by the time hometowns were shown) and stubbornly insisted Brooks for Desiree. Plus side: he got Ashley's right and posted his spoiler after episode #2 was broadcast. This season he may be TOO early in his spoiler.
Con: Promos show he and Nick as the "possessive" ones involved in some of the drama
Con: Andi to Harrison: "The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy." Josh was last out of the limos per The Editing of episode #1.
Pro: Then again, her thought is crazy.
Con: Andi tells Emil in episode #1: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
Pro: Kissing scene in episode #2 looked quite "hot".
Con: Is falling for her a bit too quickly on screen... hardly F1-ish editing.
Con: Doesn't fit the often repeated theme of her going for the "type" she normally doesn't date
Pro: If Reality Steve's "proof" is genuine proof, Nick claims she went back to what she's used to (paraphrasing here).
Con: Key line by Harrison in episode #1 rose ceremony: “If you don’t hear your name, you will be going home immediately.” Josh is shown solo during the second part of this.
On Harrison's "Ones To Watch": Former pro baseball player ... Is he coming all around the world only to realize what he was looking for was 10 minutes down the road?
Pro: This could be a good story theme for the season.
Con: It also sounds like Harrison is skeptical of his motives
Pro or con: The audience cheered when Jimmy Kimmel picked him for Andi. This could either mean he is F1 and everybody approves… or Andi smiles at them because she too will support him as next Bachelor.

Nick as F1

Con: Reality Steve says NO
Con: Reality Steve has "PROOF" (see above under Josh)
Pro: Reality Steve's batting average with Bachelorette (see above under Josh)
Pro: Many, but not all, F1s are not featured in Harrison's "Ones To Watch"
Pro: Fits the theme of her going for the "type" she normally doesn't date
Pro: Has many key “romantic” scenes in the promos
Con: Promos also indicate a lot of drama with him. Hardly F1 material unless he's this season's Courtney.
Con: Andi to Harrison: "The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy." Nick arrives too late.
Pro: Then again, her thought is crazy.
Pro or con: Got the First Impression Rose like Deanna's Jesse and Ali's Roberto
Pro: Andi tells Emil in episode #1: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
Con: Not Jimmy Kimmel’s pick

Marcus as F1

Con: Reality Steve says NO
Con: Reality Steve has "PROOF" (see above under Josh)
Pro: Reality Steve's batting average with Bachelorette (see above under Josh)
Pro: Many, but not all, F1s are not featured in Harrison's "Ones To Watch"
Pro: Andi to Harrison: "The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy." Marcus was #1 out of limos per editing.
Pro: Andi tells Emil in episode #1: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
Pro: Many key scenes and phrases in the promos suggest that she definitely "falls for" him on the show.
Con: Going by past seasons, this hints the possibility he could be like Ali's Frank, Ash's Bentley, Emily's Arie and Des' Brooks.
Pro: She focused on him, not Josh, on the group date.
Pro: Upcoming promo date footage looks pretty "hot"
Con: Key line by Harrison in episode #1 rose ceremony: “If you don’t hear your name, you will be going home immediately.” Marcus is shown during the first part of this.
Con: Not Jimmy Kimmel’s pick

Chris as F1

Con: Reality Steve says NO
Con: Reality Steve has "PROOF" (see above under Josh)
Pro: Reality Steve's batting average with Bachelorette (see above under Josh)
Pro: Key shot of her with Chris in Iowa was featured in early seasonal promo, then was cut in the main episode and abc.com promos after the spoiler was announced.
Pro: Andi to Harrison: "The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy." Chris was #2 out of limos per editing.
Pro: Andi tells Emil in episode #1: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
Pro or con: Various "Easter Eggs" in the editing suggest possible F1... or this could all be tomfoolery to deceive viewers: four uses (so far) of the H-word (husband) close to (but not directly on) face-shots (examples: Chris is first guy shown after "Some guy is going to get out of the limo and that can be my husband." and is part of a trio shown after Harrison’s "might become your wife") / gets “great impression of” line when she gives the rose to Nick / When Chris Bukowski tried to crash, each time the name "Chris" was mentioned (actually regarding Harrison), the cameraman zoomed on the security's badge stating #1 / her lines of "bet on the right horse" and "I think I picked a winner" / the Santa Anita couple insisting they looked like a couple / constantly saying she's "so happy" on his date
Con: May be over praising her as the most beautiful woman in the world.
Pro: Fits the theme of her going for the "type" she normally doesn't date
On Harrison's "Ones To Watch": I think people are going to very much fall in love with this guy. He's a small-town farmer from Iowa, fourth-generation land baron. If you say he's just a farmer, you're missing it. He's a millionaire. Very good-looking guy. He really wants to find a wife and live the American dream.
Con: This sounds like next Bachelor material (and the way Chris Lambton was discussed in Ali’s)
Pro: Then again, he may be a lovable F1
Con: No F1 yet has had a 2nd episode date.
Pro or con: Jimmy Kimmel told Andi “no chance you are moving to a farm in Iowa” before she has a chance to respond. Last year, he told Desiree Chris was “out” on account of his taste for almonds before she could react.

2observe wrote:Here are my questions regarding the leaked video.  If the video is legitimate, how does it affect Nick's contract confidentiality clause??  What actions have TPTB taken against Nick?

4health wrote:

Marybods wrote:Well, the person on the airplane could of been familiar with RS spoilers and recognized nick from that website.  That's why this person "dropped it in Steve's lap".  This is the only way, that I can think off, that makes this video legit.

So, this video was supposedly recorded on May 11th…….the passenger would have to following RS or this site to know who Nick was talking about and think WOW, I got something here.   The contestants/bachelors were not posted by ABC but only spoilers.   Can someone truly tell me what the odds would be that a super fan would be on the flight, recognize and know the spoilers that Nick was in the F2 of this season and that he would be talking about the F1 and bachelorette, then think I am going to record this and send it to RS.    I would think if they knew all this I would be selling it to the tabloids not RS just saying.      The person who recorded this video knew Nick was going to be on the flight, had their video recording ready, and had a plan and was ready to send it to RS.  That person could be a plant or it could be someone who spills the beans.  (someone in production or paparazzi).   I add paparazzi because of Ben and Courtney's FRC a picture of the scene was sent to RS and that is how he knew she won.  That is the only rational scenario that I can wrap my head around.  

If this is paparazzi then it is legit and Nick didn't know he was being recorded….but abc just might have a paparazzi on their payroll.    

4health wrote:

Marybods wrote:Well, the person on the airplane could of been familiar with RS spoilers and recognized nick from that website.  That's why this person "dropped it in Steve's lap".  This is the only way, that I can think off, that makes this video legit.

So, this video was supposedly recorded on May 11th…….the passenger would have to following RS or this site to know who Nick was talking about and think WOW, I got something here.   The contestants/bachelors were not posted by ABC but only spoilers.   Can someone truly tell me what the odds would be that a super fan would be on the flight, recognize and know the spoilers that Nick was in the F2 of this season and that he would be talking about the F1 and bachelorette, then think I am going to record this and send it to RS.    I would think if they knew all this I would be selling it to the tabloids not RS just saying.      The person who recorded this video knew Nick was going to be on the flight, had their video recording ready, and had a plan and was ready to send it to RS.  That person could be a plant or it could be someone who spills the beans.  (someone in production or paparazzi).   I add paparazzi because of Ben and Courtney's FRC a picture of the scene was sent to RS and that is how he knew she won.  That is the only rational scenario that I can wrap my head around.  

If this is paparazzi then it is legit and Nick didn't know he was being recorded….but abc just might have a paparazzi on their payroll.    

Aunties_Love wrote:

2observe wrote:Here are my questions regarding the leaked video.  If the video is legitimate, how does it affect Nick's contract confidentiality clause??  What actions have TPTB taken against Nick?

There are many, many other reasons why I am doubting the video, but with regards to Nick and his contract...who better to understand it being a spoof than the producers?  I can see that as a strong possibility and I also understand that I am more than likely in the minority when it comes to thinking the producers are up to fooling with us all...

ThankMeLater wrote:Wasn't there an article that said that the producers threatened the media outlets and that's why they didn't release the video?

4health wrote:

JordynRoses wrote:I hear you. Lots of questions.
I would personally LOVE to see a huge twist this season just for the 'fun' of it but I am also not opposed to the idea that Andi found true love with Josh. Seems to be a nice enough dude.

So you are suggesting that possibly, all of the final 3 guys had a 'meet the parents' session with Andi's parents?
That,

With the airplane video spoiler though, it can only be one of two things IMO:
1. Legitimately Nick being taped unawares (if this is the case, he is F2 of either 2 or 3 final men standing- which by a huge stretch might be Chris as F1- since Nick only mentions Josh in the context of his now rejection)
2. Grand foiler scheme. (if this is the case, would he participate if he was not F1??)

Sounds like a set up to me. RS should be careful, he might be set up like before, just saying.-

About that video of Nick on the airplane.  I keep asking myself these question:  (If anyone knows the answers I would love to hear them)

1 - How could this passenger know Nick and that they should video tape a conversation? That he was on the bachelorette show and that he was even talking about his experience on the show and to know that it was even at the final stages of taping (F2)….
2 - Then this person knew to send a copy to RS to spoil the ending….(How did they know)….

I just don't see how this little video is proof of anything at all….What am I not getting?    I am not taking that leap ….. things just don't add up.

ThankMeLater wrote:Wasn't there an article that said that the producers threatened the media outlets and that's why they didn't release the video?

ThankMeLater wrote:Wasn't there an article that said that the producers threatened the media outlets and that's why they didn't release the video?