Bachelorette 10: Edit-Storyline - *SPOILERS* - should we bother? Oooohhhh... why not?

JBF wrote:Gee, I wonder what scene that was... it seems to be a favorite topic of discussion. Everybody is eager to "prove" they are not right for each other. After a full season of Juan and Clare groping each other, I don't put much stock into "on screen" body language.

Very truth JBF! Because they can remove all the interesting part they don't want us to see. I think body language is not enough, it's the conversation and the ease of the relationship, and right now, the only one Andi has that kind of ease in the relationship is Josh. I really enjoy the friendship and playfull type of relationship she has only with Josh, and Des had only with Chris, and JP with Nikki. Its like a friend but with deep chemistry, not just physical attraction.JMO

nd4reality wrote:What was curious to me was him saying she "changed her mind".

Did she tell him 100% at some point that she was going to choose him ?

She would never tell him she will pick him 100%, just like Im sure Sean didn't tell Ashlly, nor JpG to Clare. IMO, they hear what they want to hear and get convinced they are the "chosen one", so they can bitter when not chosen. It happen to Ashly, Clare, and now Nick.IMO, if you are bitten after being dumped then you never loved the lead, you were in love with the idea of winning.

JordynRoses wrote:I hear you. Lots of questions.
I would personally LOVE to see a huge twist this season just for the 'fun' of it but I am also not opposed to the idea that Andi found true love with Josh. Seems to be a nice enough dude.

So you are suggesting that possibly, all of the final 3 guys had a 'meet the parents' session with Andi's parents?
That,

With the airplane video spoiler though, it can only be one of two things IMO:
1. Legitimately Nick being taped unawares (if this is the case, he is F2 of either 2 or 3 final men standing- which by a huge stretch might be Chris as F1- since Nick only mentions Josh in the context of his now rejection)
2. Grand foiler scheme. (if this is the case, would he participate if he was not F1??)

About that video of Nick on the airplane. I keep asking myself these question: (If anyone knows the answers I would love to hear them)

1 - How could this passenger know Nick and that they should video tape a conversation? That he was on the bachelorette show and that he was even talking about his experience on the show and to know that it was even at the final stages of taping (F2)….
2 - Then this person knew to send a copy to RS to spoil the ending….(How did they know)….

I just don't see how this little video is proof of anything at all….What am I not getting? I am not taking that leap ….. things just don't add up.

4health wrote:

JordynRoses wrote:I hear you. Lots of questions.
I would personally LOVE to see a huge twist this season just for the 'fun' of it but I am also not opposed to the idea that Andi found true love with Josh. Seems to be a nice enough dude.

So you are suggesting that possibly, all of the final 3 guys had a 'meet the parents' session with Andi's parents?
That,

With the airplane video spoiler though, it can only be one of two things IMO:
1. Legitimately Nick being taped unawares (if this is the case, he is F2 of either 2 or 3 final men standing- which by a huge stretch might be Chris as F1- since Nick only mentions Josh in the context of his now rejection)
2. Grand foiler scheme. (if this is the case, would he participate if he was not F1??)

About that video of Nick on the airplane.  I keep asking myself these question:  (If anyone knows the answers I would love to hear them)

1 - How could this passenger know Nick and that they should video tape a conversation? That he was on the bachelorette show and that he was even talking about his experience on the show and to know that it was even at the final stages of taping (F2)….
2 - Then this person knew to send a copy to RS to spoil the ending….(How did they know)….

I just don't see how this little video is proof of anything at all….What am I not getting?    I am not taking that leap ….. things just don't add up.

You are asking some very good questions and there are some of us that would also like to know the answers to those questions. I agree that things just don't add up.  

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4health wrote:

JordynRoses wrote:I hear you. Lots of questions.
I would personally LOVE to see a huge twist this season just for the 'fun' of it but I am also not opposed to the idea that Andi found true love with Josh. Seems to be a nice enough dude.

So you are suggesting that possibly, all of the final 3 guys had a 'meet the parents' session with Andi's parents?
That,

With the airplane video spoiler though, it can only be one of two things IMO:
1. Legitimately Nick being taped unawares (if this is the case, he is F2 of either 2 or 3 final men standing- which by a huge stretch might be Chris as F1- since Nick only mentions Josh in the context of his now rejection)
2. Grand foiler scheme. (if this is the case, would he participate if he was not F1??)

About that video of Nick on the airplane.  I keep asking myself these question:  (If anyone knows the answers I would love to hear them)

1 - How could this passenger know Nick and that they should video tape a conversation? That he was on the bachelorette show and that he was even talking about his experience on the show and to know that it was even at the final stages of taping (F2)….
2 - Then this person knew to send a copy to RS to spoil the ending….(How did they know)….

I just don't see how this little video is proof of anything at all….What am I not getting?    I am not taking that leap ….. things just don't add up.

You are asking some very good questions and there are some of us that would also like to know the answers to those questions.  I agree that things just don't add up.  

So to add to the confusion we can think the other way…..since we do have that little video and RS took it as proof of all the points that add up to his conclusion…….
1 - He says Josh
2 - He met the family
3 - change of mind

My question still is WHO video taped the conversation?  Why would you video tape it on a normal airplane ride?  A passenger who did the video taping had to know Nick was on the bachelorette show, know that he was part of the finale, know that this conversation was important to get your phone out and catch the conversation to then send it RS as a little SURPRISE in his email account?   I just don't buy it…..who ever video taped it had to know Nick and knew what he was talking about/or wanted the video to be seen/heard and if that is the case WHY?  Was it staged? Was it planned to misdirect or mislead? The video isn't dated so if it was about the bachelorette it could have been an act or planned earlier or at a later date?  I mean really it is just too FISHY, something smells.

Plus if this little video is after the F2 rejection how would he know that Andi didn't reject the other bachelor or she chooses no one. His comments about the other guy (Josh) could be his thoughts but doesn't know the facts. I am sure Clare thought Nikki and JP were engaged but didn't know otherwise until later, unless handler tells them….we need more SC, sleuthing etc. for me to put all my cards in one basket.

4health wrote:

JordynRoses wrote:I hear you. Lots of questions.
I would personally LOVE to see a huge twist this season just for the 'fun' of it but I am also not opposed to the idea that Andi found true love with Josh. Seems to be a nice enough dude.

So you are suggesting that possibly, all of the final 3 guys had a 'meet the parents' session with Andi's parents?
That,

With the airplane video spoiler though, it can only be one of two things IMO:
1. Legitimately Nick being taped unawares (if this is the case, he is F2 of either 2 or 3 final men standing- which by a huge stretch might be Chris as F1- since Nick only mentions Josh in the context of his now rejection)
2. Grand foiler scheme. (if this is the case, would he participate if he was not F1??)

About that video of Nick on the airplane.  I keep asking myself these question:  (If anyone knows the answers I would love to hear them)

1 - How could this passenger know Nick and that they should video tape a conversation? That he was on the bachelorette show and that he was even talking about his experience on the show and to know that it was even at the final stages of taping (F2)….
2 - Then this person knew to send a copy to RS to spoil the ending….(How did they know)….

I just don't see how this little video is proof of anything at all….What am I not getting?    I am not taking that leap ….. things just don't add up.

IF this video is legit, and for me right now, that's a massive IF, then nothing is making sense. To me, this vid screams of a setup. Who would know that Nick would be on the Bachelorette, would be at the stage of filming that they were at and would know to send it to RS. Maybe there is a reason why RS has never had this kind of thing drop in his lap before(his words, not mine). I got a feeling we are headed for another blowout finale that will be different from the spoiler....

Well, the person on the airplane could of been familiar with RS spoilers and recognized nick from that website. That's why this person "dropped it in Steve's lap". This is the only way, that I can think off, that makes this video legit.

Marybods wrote:Well, the person on the airplane could of been familiar with RS spoilers and recognized nick from that website.  That's why this person "dropped it in Steve's lap".  This is the only way, that I can think off, that makes this video legit.

To me, it still doesn't make sense. RS went on and on about how this never has happened before...something dropping in his lap. Because it did this time and what's being said in the video makes it so suspicious. IF and again, a big if he's right and Josh is F1, so be it and the vid must of been legit, but right now, way too many things aren't adding up.

4health wrote:

JordynRoses wrote:I hear you. Lots of questions.
I would personally LOVE to see a huge twist this season just for the 'fun' of it but I am also not opposed to the idea that Andi found true love with Josh. Seems to be a nice enough dude.

So you are suggesting that possibly, all of the final 3 guys had a 'meet the parents' session with Andi's parents?
That,

With the airplane video spoiler though, it can only be one of two things IMO:
1. Legitimately Nick being taped unawares (if this is the case, he is F2 of either 2 or 3 final men standing- which by a huge stretch might be Chris as F1- since Nick only mentions Josh in the context of his now rejection)
2. Grand foiler scheme. (if this is the case, would he participate if he was not F1??)

About that video of Nick on the airplane.  I keep asking myself these question:  (If anyone knows the answers I would love to hear them)

1 - How could this passenger know Nick and that they should video tape a conversation? That he was on the bachelorette show and that he was even talking about his experience on the show and to know that it was even at the final stages of taping (F2)….
2 - Then this person knew to send a copy to RS to spoil the ending….(How did they know)….

I just don't see how this little video is proof of anything at all….What am I not getting?    I am not taking that leap ….. things just don't add up.

This person very easily could have been a fan of the show and familiar with RS. Because of this, they could have recognized Nick from his looks or the beginning of the conversation that wasn't in the videos. Once they realized he was talking about the show, they pressed record on the camera and the rest is history. Even if the person didn't know of RS, when you google spoilers for the show, his site is one of the first options.

I haven't seen anything to make me that the video is anything but legit. Not seeing some great foiler plan orchestrated by TPTB. As for what it proves, at the very least he talks about meeting her family so that would mean he is in the Final 2 unless you think that comment was a lie.

It is such an unlikely thing to happen but believable to me. If Nick said any key words like "we finished filming" or "I'm heading home from filming" or named Andi, any fan of pop culture's ears might perk up. And anyone who reads here or follows RS would easily pick up buzzwords indicating he was talking Bachelorette, even if he named Élan or said Fleiss was there, a major fan would notice. Me, I'd be more likely to listen, be shocked I heard it and then write about it here. But anyone who knew enough to record it, would know about RS, IMO. It's a huge, rare almost unbelievable one off conincidence to me, but it is plausible, IMO.

If it turns out not be be Josh, at least we will know that TPTB will go to literally any lengths to set him up, because this would be a set up of epic proportions. That's a lot harder for me to believe than that some random super fan was at the right place at the right time.

4health - welcome back to posting.

We need more people discussing and questioning the season.
  

A list that can be updated as the season progresses… and, yes, I have left out of LOT of stuff everybody can add. Only dabbled into this season late in the game and not getting too involved with all of the media “stuff”.

Listing the Nick Vid as #2 evidence for each contestant, since I know how ssssssoooooooo important it is to this forum. The Nail In The Coffin for some.

Josh as F1

Pro: Reality Steve says YES
Pro: Reality Steve has "PROOF": two video extracts. One has Nick saying Josh won't say s**t and do whatever "she" wants. The 2nd has him praising "her" family, hinting Nick met them as part of F2. (Then again, since Hy met the guys in the mansion, there is also the possibility of the family meeting more than the top 2. )
Con: Reality Steve's batting average with Bachelor is great (4 hits out of 5), but he is less successful with Bachelorette. He said he was 1000% certain Ali F. left Bora Bora single, was very slow determining Emily's outcome (but guessing correctly by the time hometowns were shown) and stubbornly insisted Brooks for Desiree. Plus side: he got Ashley's right and posted his spoiler after episode #2 was broadcast. This season he may be TOO early in his spoiler.
Con: Promos show he and Nick as the "possessive" ones involved in some of the drama
Con: Andi to Harrison: "The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy." Josh was last out of the limos per The Editing of episode #1.
Pro: Then again, her thought is crazy.
Con: Andi tells Emil in episode #1: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
Pro: Kissing scene in episode #2 looked quite "hot".
Con: Is falling for her a bit too quickly on screen... hardly F1-ish editing.
Con: Doesn't fit the often repeated theme of her going for the "type" she normally doesn't date
Pro: If Reality Steve's "proof" is genuine proof, Nick claims she went back to what she's used to (paraphrasing here).
Con: Key line by Harrison in episode #1 rose ceremony: “If you don’t hear your name, you will be going home immediately.” Josh is shown solo during the second part of this.
On Harrison's "Ones To Watch": Former pro baseball player ... Is he coming all around the world only to realize what he was looking for was 10 minutes down the road?
Pro: This could be a good story theme for the season.
Con: It also sounds like Harrison is skeptical of his motives
Pro or con: The audience cheered when Jimmy Kimmel picked him for Andi. This could either mean he is F1 and everybody approves… or Andi smiles at them because she too will support him as next Bachelor.

Nick as F1

Con: Reality Steve says NO
Con: Reality Steve has "PROOF" (see above under Josh)
Pro: Reality Steve's batting average with Bachelorette (see above under Josh)
Pro: Many, but not all, F1s are not featured in Harrison's "Ones To Watch"
Pro: Fits the theme of her going for the "type" she normally doesn't date
Pro: Has many key “romantic” scenes in the promos
Con: Promos also indicate a lot of drama with him. Hardly F1 material unless he's this season's Courtney.
Con: Andi to Harrison: "The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy." Nick arrives too late.
Pro: Then again, her thought is crazy.
Pro or con: Got the First Impression Rose like Deanna's Jesse and Ali's Roberto
Pro: Andi tells Emil in episode #1: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
Con: Not Jimmy Kimmel’s pick

Marcus as F1

Con: Reality Steve says NO
Con: Reality Steve has "PROOF" (see above under Josh)
Pro: Reality Steve's batting average with Bachelorette (see above under Josh)
Pro: Many, but not all, F1s are not featured in Harrison's "Ones To Watch"
Pro: Andi to Harrison: "The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy." Marcus was #1 out of limos per editing.
Pro: Andi tells Emil in episode #1: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
Pro: Many key scenes and phrases in the promos suggest that she definitely "falls for" him on the show.
Con: Going by past seasons, this hints the possibility he could be like Ali's Frank, Ash's Bentley, Emily's Arie and Des' Brooks.
Pro: She focused on him, not Josh, on the group date.
Pro: Upcoming promo date footage looks pretty "hot"
Con: Key line by Harrison in episode #1 rose ceremony: “If you don’t hear your name, you will be going home immediately.” Marcus is shown during the first part of this.
Con: Not Jimmy Kimmel’s pick

Chris as F1

Con: Reality Steve says NO
Con: Reality Steve has "PROOF" (see above under Josh)
Pro: Reality Steve's batting average with Bachelorette (see above under Josh)
Pro: Key shot of her with Chris in Iowa was featured in early seasonal promo, then was cut in the main episode and abc.com promos after the spoiler was announced.
Pro: Andi to Harrison: "The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy." Chris was #2 out of limos per editing.
Pro: Andi tells Emil in episode #1: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
Pro or con: Various "Easter Eggs" in the editing suggest possible F1... or this could all be tomfoolery to deceive viewers: four uses (so far) of the H-word (husband) close to (but not directly on) face-shots (examples: Chris is first guy shown after "Some guy is going to get out of the limo and that can be my husband." and is part of a trio shown after Harrison’s "might become your wife") / gets “great impression of” line when she gives the rose to Nick / When Chris Bukowski tried to crash, each time the name "Chris" was mentioned (actually regarding Harrison), the cameraman zoomed on the security's badge stating #1 / her lines of "bet on the right horse" and "I think I picked a winner" / the Santa Anita couple insisting they looked like a couple / constantly saying she's "so happy" on his date
Con: May be over praising her as the most beautiful woman in the world.
Pro: Fits the theme of her going for the "type" she normally doesn't date
On Harrison's "Ones To Watch": I think people are going to very much fall in love with this guy. He's a small-town farmer from Iowa, fourth-generation land baron. If you say he's just a farmer, you're missing it. He's a millionaire. Very good-looking guy. He really wants to find a wife and live the American dream.
Con: This sounds like next Bachelor material (and the way Chris Lambton was discussed in Ali’s)
Pro: Then again, he may be a lovable F1
Con: No F1 yet has had a 2nd episode date.
Pro or con: Jimmy Kimmel told Andi “no chance you are moving to a farm in Iowa” before she has a chance to respond. Last year, he told Desiree Chris was “out” on account of his taste for almonds before she could react.