*NO SPOILERS* The Bachelorette 10 - Episode Discussion

LibbyBell wrote:Me too GG. I wanted to see/hear more of what Josh wrote! Re: the actual MTA content, I'm glad Andi didn't hear the report on the lie detector. It seems TPTB are really trying to screw with Andi and whether or not she can trust Josh. I think it is all a red herring and we will have a happy couple at the end...at least I hope so!!

ETA-- I thought it was ridiculous for CH to say Andi was pregnant! Has that truly been in the media?!? I've purposely been staying away from magazines so as not to spoil myself but, again, I thought it was ridiculous to even speculate!

Personally I think if Andi is with Josh they may already know what the lies were.  Most of these questions were ridiculous anyway.  I will post in the tweet thread what Josh said were his 2 lies and his explanation.  Minor indeed.  Yes, CH is beyond annoying about all this crap.  I'm so over him and the produced drama.  The guys didn't bring it so they created it.

I remember Andi tweeting a while back about her not being pregnant.  Cat and her have been teasing back and forth about being pregnant, but neither are.  I read somewhere she was going to be the new co-host at The View which I found hilarious too.  Haven't even seen one tabloid or magazine, but what these rumor tell me is the guys must not be creating anything for the tabloids.  If true that would be great.

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Peppermom wrote:I was really looking forward to a new preview with LCD dates and the guys dressed etc.  I was so disappointed.  I think there is something up with the finale too GG.  I thought the MTA was even more of a waste than normal.  In the preview posted by AT here, there is a shot of Andi with a pretty nasty look on her face and she puts her finger up, they didn't show that unless I missed it.  It looked like there might have been some actual tension there that wasn't shown.  Wonder what?

Robyn from TV guide tweeted Patrick and Nick S got a little rude with Andi.  of all people an F15 and an F11.  In fact Patrick even tweeted he was mad they edited out all his stuff.  I will tell you what he tweeted and then deleted in the thread for tweets as it could be a little spoilerish.

Peppermom, when Andi did that with her finger it was to CH and she said something about getting him back. It showed it toward the end of the show.

Thanks nanny, I missed that.

I just want to thank MJC for my new avi! So many great ones to choose from. I wanted to change it for the finale to be the couple I see falling in love.

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LibbyBell wrote:Me too GG. I wanted to see/hear more of what Josh wrote! Re: the actual MTA content, I'm glad Andi didn't hear the report on the lie detector. It seems TPTB are really trying to screw with Andi and whether or not she can trust Josh. I thipanelist all a red herring and we will have a happy couple at the end...at least I hope so!!

ETA-- I thought it was ridiculous for CH to say Andi was pregnant! Has that truly been in the media?!? I've purposely been staying away from magazines so as not to spoil myself but, again, I thought it was ridiculous to even speculate!

Personally I think if Andi is with Josh they may already know what the lies were.  Most of these questions were ridiculous anyway.  I will post in the tweet thread what Josh said were his 2 lies and his explanation.  Minor indeed.  Yes, CH is beyond annoying about all this crap.  I'm so over him and the produced drama.  The guys didn't bring it so they created it.

I remember Andi tweeting a while back about her not being pregnant.  Cat and her have been teasing back and forth about being pregnant, but neither are.  I read somewhere she was going to be the new co-host at The View which I found hilarious too.  Haven't even seen one tabloid or magazine, but what these rumor tell me is the guys must not be creating anything for the tabloids.  If true that would be great.

Thanks GG, I agree that Andi most likely knew about the "lies"! I just saw his tweet "confessional"! Too funny! Also, about The View, I doubt it would happen but it would be perfect timing and I could see how having a lawyer panelist would actually be good-- jmo. Of course it would also be contingent on Josh being able to work in LA, too!

LibbyBell wrote:

GrahamGal wrote:

LibbyBell wrote:Me too GG. I wanted to see/hear more of what Josh wrote! Re: the actual MTA content, I'm glad Andi didn't hear the report on the lie detector. It seems TPTB are really trying to screw with Andi and whether or not she can trust Josh. I thipanelist all a red herring and we will have a happy couple at the end...at least I hope so!!

ETA-- I thought it was ridiculous for CH to say Andi was pregnant! Has that truly been in the media?!? I've purposely been staying away from magazines so as not to spoil myself but, again, I thought it was ridiculous to even speculate!

Personally I think if Andi is with Josh they may already know what the lies were.  Most of these questions were ridiculous anyway.  I will post in the tweet thread what Josh said were his 2 lies and his explanation.  Minor indeed.  Yes, CH is beyond annoying about all this crap.  I'm so over him and the produced drama.  The guys didn't bring it so they created it.

I remember Andi tweeting a while back about her not being pregnant.  Cat and her have been teasing back and forth about being pregnant, but neither are.  I read somewhere she was going to be the new co-host at The View which I found hilarious too.  Haven't even seen one tabloid or magazine, but what these rumor tell me is the guys must not be creating anything for the tabloids.  If true that would be great.

Thanks GG, I agree that Andi most likely knew about the "lies"! I just saw his tweet "confessional"! Too funny! Also, about The View, I doubt it would happen but it would be perfect timing and I could see how having a lawyer panelist would actually be good-- jmo. Of course it would also be contingent on Josh being able to work in LA, too!

I guess I just figured they would want a bigger named person that Andi. They hired Rosie back anyway. While I can see her doing something in the short term I just don't see her wanting to give up on everything she worked so hard for in college. I guess time will tell but I don't see her going Hollywood.

Sorry, y'all.  This is going to sound harsh, but I thought the whole episode was gross and childish.  A big mess full of stupid stunts -- the ultrasound, Chris's speed date, the lie detector results, Chris B and stalking, Andi's "pregnancy", the letter and BIP.  I am excited about the finale, but this MTA turned me off completely.  

Love Ashley and JP, but the ultrasound on camera was ridiculous.  Tell us how the show changed your ideas about love and commitment, tell us how having two busy careers impacts your married life, how you see it changing with a new baby and new town to live in.  Sell the show and how you've beat the odds.  But, I guess production thinks we just want stupid stunts.  Yuck.

The lie detector portion was poor.  It should be up to the guys questioned whether they want the answers to be made public.  They were good hearted about it, but I thought it was particularly shaming of Marcus.  Without Josh there, Andi should never have even debated whether she wanted to hear his results on camera.  They might have even talked about it, anyway.  Just drumming up more ridiculous drama. 

I wanted to hear more about the places they visited, funny things that happened along the way, even Craig talking about his drunken episode or what it was like for JJ to be made up into an old person.  Talk about singing in public, tell us about Dylan's fear of pickles, Brian's aversion to cooking.  Ask Marcus if he thought the HTD striptease was a mistake, in retrospect.  They barely talked with with Brian and Dylan - they were F5 and F6 and both had 1-1 dates.  My biggest disappointment is that they didn't even mention Eric.  Why?  I really wanted to hear what the other guys thought about him.  Or, how his death may have affected how they felt about their experience on the show.  That would have been a better tribute to him than filming the producers' reactions before the HTD rose ceremony.  But, tptb seem to have a fascination with themselves.

The BIP preview was awful.  The locale looks skanky (and I know Tulum is beautiful) and so do the contestants' actions, even skankier than Kasey and Vienna and that's hard to do.  Graham (I'm sorry GG!) looks bad. What happened to him?  The one reason I would watch it is for Zack Kalter (Des's season) and I didn't even see a clip of him.  Can't see wasting my my time with this and am so glad Arie elected not to do it.

As for the finale preview, why no clips of the guys in suits?  It seems like Nick must not make it to the FRC.  Is that the surprise CH talks about?  I am really interested in seeing each of them with Andi's family. Both guys are great in their own way, even though Nick got on my nerves alot with the editing. I think Andi will make her own decision, but she seems to be so close to her parents and really care about their opinions, so if they say something different from what she feels, that will give her pause. I think her love story with Josh is very compelling on screen, though.  I feel sad for Nick since he really seems to be in love, but I think he'll see it too.  If not then, surely watching it play out the last two months.  Can't wait to see Josh's proposal.  He's very demonstrative, and I think they will both cry!

Why was there no mention of Eric or discussion among the guys and Andi of their memories during MTA?   So much of the discussion was just not that interesting and this could have been a very rich part of the evening.   That was very disappointing to me.  Why is no one on here even asking that question?  Did anyone else wonder about that?  Did I miss something and this was discussed already?

Oops, the post above me just addressed this about Eric. I so wish they would have given sometime to Eric's memory. Very disappointing.

alwaystulips wrote:Sorry, y'all.  This is going to sound harsh, but I thought the whole episode was gross and childish.  A big mess full of stupid stunts -- the ultrasound, Chris's speed date, the lie detector results, Chris B and stalking, Andi's "pregnancy", the letter and BIP.  I am excited about the finale, but this MTA turned me off completely.  

Love Ashley and JP, but the ultrasound on camera was ridiculous.  Tell us how the show changed your ideas about love and commitment, tell us how having two busy careers impacts your married life, how you see it changing with a new baby and new town to live in.  Sell the show and how you've beat the odds.  But, I guess production thinks we just want stupid stunts.  Yuck.

The lie detector portion was poor.  It should be up to the guys questioned whether they want the answers to be made public.  They were good hearted about it, but I thought it was particularly shaming of Marcus.  Without Josh there, Andi should never have even debated whether she wanted to hear his results on camera.  They might have even talked about it, anyway.  Just drumming up more ridiculous drama. 

I wanted to hear more about the places they visited, funny things that happened along the way, even Craig talking about his drunken episode or what it was like for JJ to be made up into an old person.  Talk about singing in public, tell us about Dylan's fear of pickles, Brian's aversion to cooking.  Ask Marcus if he thought the HTD striptease was a mistake, in retrospect.  They barely talked with with Brian and Dylan - they were F5 and F6 and both had 1-1 dates.  My biggest disappointment is that they didn't even mention Eric.  Why?  I really wanted to hear what the other guys thought about him.  Or, how his death may have affected how they felt about their experience on the show.  That would have been a better tribute to him than filming the producers' reactions before the HTD rose ceremony.  But, tptb seem to have a fascination with themselves.

The BIP preview was awful.  The locale looks skanky (and I know Tulum is beautiful) and so do the contestants' actions, even skankier than Kasey and Vienna and that's hard to do.  Graham (I'm sorry GG!) looks bad. What happened to him?  The one reason I would watch it is for Zack Kalter (Des's season) and I didn't even see a clip of him.  Can't see wasting my my time with this and am so glad Arie elected not to do it.

As for the finale preview, why no clips of the guys in suits?  It seems like Nick must not make it to the FRC.  Is that the surprise CH talks about?  I am really interested in seeing each of them with Andi's family. Both guys are great in their own way, even though Nick got on my nerves alot with the editing. I think Andi will make her own decision, but she seems to be so close to her parents and really care about their opinions, so if they say something different from what she feels, that will give her pause. I think her love story with Josh is very compelling on screen, though.  I feel sad for Nick since he really seems to be in love, but I think he'll see it too.  If not then, surely watching it play out the last two months.  Can't wait to see Josh's proposal.  He's very demonstrative, and I think they will both cry!

I completely agree.  Besides the bloopers and the stories of the F2 journey it offered nothing. I did notice that in Josh's package there were many scenes that we didn't see originally.  Him writing a short poem, new Ghent, and new pool clips.  As we believed they were leaving a lot of the best with them on the cutting room floor.  Nothing new from what I could tell in Nick's package, but I haven't watched many of his scenes multiple times.  Even the preview for the finale only had one new clip where you saw her entire dress as she was leaving a hotel. I wish I could sleuth that place, but I'm bad at location sleuthing.

Anyway, I wanted to add to some of your points that I have bolded above.

Andi was just likely playing this up to help them get a reaction from the audience.  Josh knows as he tweeted as much and if he is F1 it is likely Andi knows as well.  What made me pause with this whole thing is that if Andi did not choose Josh why would she even care?

I was also surprised they did not talk at all about Eric and get some thoughts about him from the guys.  Also maybe include a funny moment with him in the bloopers.  I don't think we got that either.  Maybe the family played a role in him not being mentioned.  I don't know, but it was very odd.  I know that Patrick was mad they edited out a blooper with him and Eric (Patrick was actually mad they edited his questions to Andi as well).  So we know they made a conscious effort to not include Eric.  We just don't know why.

No need to apologize AT.  I didn't want him to do BIP either and was really disappointed that he did.  I don't think he was in a place where it was a good place for him to be.  TPTB took advantage of his weakness and were finally able to get him to sign of the dotted line.  He wants to find love and be loved.  I just wish he could leave this franchise behind.  I hope this is the last time.

I can't wait for the finale.  I agree they will likely both cry.  I hope Nick did not fall for the produced drama TPTB sold him all season again.

Eviebloom wrote:Why was there no mention of Eric or discussion among the guys and Andi of their memories during MTA?   So much of the discussion was just not that interesting and this could have been a very rich part of the evening.   That was very disappointing to me.  Why is no one on here even asking that question?  Did anyone else wonder about that?  Did I miss something and this was discussed already?

Oops, the post above me just addressed this about Eric.  I so wish they would have given sometime to Eric's memory.  Very disappointing.

I posted my thoughts on this too right after your original post. It is perplexing to say the least.

I hope Graham is done with the franchise too, GG! 

New Ghent and pool scenes?! Wow.  Totally missed those!  MTA did me in.  Off to go watch again.   

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GrahamGal wrote:

Robyn from TV guide tweeted Patrick and Nick S got a little rude with Andi.  of all people an F15 and an F11.  In fact Patrick even tweeted he was mad they edited out all his stuff.  I will tell you what he tweeted and then deleted in the thread for tweets as it could be a little spoilerish.

Peppermom, when Andi did that with her finger it was to CH and she said something about getting him back. It showed it toward the end of the show.

Thanks nanny, I missed that.

I do believe she said to CH your a** is grass from the sinus blooper when she said dont put this on the bloopers?

That's how I remember it too DK

ETA-- GG, I just noticed your avi!! I loved when she kissed his nose!!