*NO SPOILERS* The Bachelorette 10 - Episode Discussion

Thanks Lost and Pepper   
Pepper-- I liked that kiss too! (in fact, had to re-watch it several times! )
Sprite, thanks for the link to Sharleen's blog; it was very entertaining!


ETA-- married, I really hope Chris isn't in the running for TB. I would much rather have more of a fan favorite. Although, I must say at the beginning of the season I thought TPTB may be hoping for a SHA scenario which I just don't get with Chris. I agree-- I would have rather Andi spent a ittle more time with one of the other guys; her giving the extra time to Nick only encourages him. Which-- I don't get but I guess she wanted to do. I sure hope that Nick is more of a Frank than Courtney but, I'll try to keep a open mind for all possibilities. All in all, I'd rather see her with Josh, the fairytale and the twirl.

Libby did you notice in Sharleen's blog she said the word fairytale too! haha I'm seeing that word all over the place lately! Def. entertaining to read!   Another team Nick fan there. Would love to know the fan percentage over on the spoiler side for Josh vs Nick!

Not really into Chris as Bach either. Marcus is cute & likeable but I'm afraid of what production and all those women would do to him! Nick, no way is he getting it with that edit...which if he isn't F1 would be strange because he seems to be liked by so many?   I wouldn't watch it though. Dylan might of been interesting, maybe that's why they kept him so long, but then he just kind of fizzled out for them. Brian, just don't know. Josh I think would be perfect.

Lost, I did notice!

If Marcus can't be TB, I'd rather have well, um, let's see.... I think Drew is with someone and Arie is busy with racing so....um, there is NO WAY that Nick could be TB. I can't see Dylan; especially after the hand washing and 20+ comment. Brian-- possibly but they kinda threw him under the bus too.

Ok-- I give in, for the sake of the show, I guess Andi MUST pick Nick so that Josh can be TB! :giggle:

LibbyBell wrote:Lost, I did notice!

If Marcus can't be TB, I'd rather have well, um, let's see.... I think Drew is with someone and Arie is busy with racing so....um, there is NO WAY that Nick could be TB. I can't see Dylan; especially after the hand washing and 20+ comment. Brian-- possibly but they kinda threw him under the bus too.

Ok-- I give in, for the sake of the show, I guess Andi MUST pick Nick so that Josh can be TB! :giggle:

i just want to chime in with you, Libby, that i wouldn't mind Josh as the next Bachelor!  

emad0722 wrote:
I'm a team nick here just wondering if you saw all the SM love for him fRom his bachelor bros? To me it puts a different spin on things. I don't know what he was like and I won't defend his every move but I will defend him as a person.

I do follow Josh, Nick, Andi, Marcus, Brian on twitter. Because surely they won't give out spoilers! haha

And yes, these same boys "attacking" Nick on the show, are the same ones declaring love and full support for Nick on twitter.    Saying he's genuine and a real person, not to judge him, etc.  While i am the only one here at the unspoiled thread who likes Nick, i understand why these same boys see Nick differently now. Perhaps they were able to fix their differences once the show stopped filming? i dunno. But the ordinary viewer, even i who loves Nick's snarky tweets, cannot ignore how he is being shown on my TV. He is edited as a villain!     Edit or not. Producer driven or not. We cannot negate that we are shown not just one guy but there are quite a few who spoke ill of him while on the show. I may disagree with the whiny boys but heck, it is not as if Nick was blameless. And the boys have a lot of material to "attack" him with. We cannot ignore that these same boys didn't like Nick on the show. It is regardless of how they are now on SM. And the ordinary viewer, on SM or not, watches Nick talk about Andi and the boys, too. If people find him arrogant, it is not as if they have no basis.     However, i do not necessarily think Nick on TV is the same Nick in real life. The support of these same boys for Nick on SM may prove he really is a great guy in real life. Unfortunately, however, that is not how Nick is being shown on my TV. I was just sifting the "real" Nick and "reel" Nick on my mind because i like Nick alot!

But i will be defending Nick. I like Nick alot. In fact, i do not mind his taking charge attitude. Andi's blog stated that she even loved what Nick did! And i agree with Andi that she was a lil disappointed with Nick swooping in during her time with Brian. But she said, she understood why. That is the only time i din't like Nick. Only a little. haha I sometimes think perhaps, Nick, just like my fave Reid may have acted impulsively as they "thought" of it. Like perhaps, Nick had something in his mind that he needed to tell Andi. He impulsively goes off and seeks Andi to tell her his thoughts right away. Do you guys, get what i mean? That's where Josh differs. Josh has difficulty expressing his feelings not because he is not eloquent or dumb. His trust issues gets in the way. So i would not exactly fault Nick for being expressive. He acts impulsively and that is perceived as inconsiderate.

Nick was skeptic at the start. And that precisely endeared him to Andi. But that was history, Nick is no longer the doubting Thomas but is in fact the confident Front Runner.  If Andi chose him as F1 because she likes the steady, cool and non-combative guy, i won't scratch my head and wonder why. Because i see it. I see the connection. He really is the frontrunner and Andi has a lot to do on why Nick feels and is confident that he is the last man standing. I do not blame him for being smug about it. i see it on my TV. Andi is expressive on how she likes Nick and his ways. (aka "strategy" for the boys haha)

However, Nick does not know Andi's very strong connection with Josh. And boy, what connection! wootwoot! And that connection might be the deciding factor at the FRC. You know, perhaps that connection at the FS? #mindongutter hahahahahahaha  

And down to the wire, IF Andi chooses Josh in the end. Nick will be utterly blindsided.
Can he be blamed?NO! Andi is obviously leading him on at this point. In my eyes, in Andi's head, NICK is the landslide F1. But in her heart, it has always been Josh.

The next bachelor? In my opinion, and again, i think i'm the only one. I believe  it is going to be Nick  :hidingchair

IF Josh is F1. (i believe it is Josh-Andi living in sushi fairy tale!)

Chris H and Andi's blog have only good words on Nick. I cannot put my finger on it. Everytime i watch Nick. I shake my head and feel, "Nick's gonna hurt bigtime if he is not F1!". I have this feeling that the evil producers are whispering to him that he is the frontrunner. That he is the final 1 of Andi. It would be like Clare tantrums all over again! (not that Nick is the same as Clare! not a fan of Clare!) WAIT! It would be probably exactly what happened with my Jash! I remember the backlash Ashley got for "leading on" Ben! Do you guys remember Ben's reaction?! OH MY!!!! POOR NICK! huhuhu

My theory is, Nick will be next bachelor because (1) TPTB is guilty for editing Nick that way perhaps they'll redeem him as the next bachelor? (tptb, guilty?! that will be the day!)

or like Andi last JPG's season, (2) perhaps, if Nick becomes the next lead, Nick will understand the "leading on". Ben was the next bachelor, right?

All i know is i certainly wouldn't mind if Nick (or Josh) is the next bachelor!

Cari - great way of explaining how I feel about Nick too ...
apart from him possibly be the next Bachelor ... dunno about that, but like I've said, I don't know much about history/patterns of this show to know how they work things out.

Without spoilers or SM, I listen Afterbuzz podcast and one guy there yesterday gave me another spin on the events that I haven't taken in consideration ...

looking at the edit ... yes, Nick is getting "the villain" one, but he doesn't really do anything particularly villainous (if you can see him as genuine guy, who doesn't do things out of malice, but simply out of his own - as Cari described it best - impulsiveness and I would add to that he's a bit selfish (prefer that definition than arrogant, even though selfishness isn't the trait I like in people)) - meaning he doesn't talk badly or behind the back about other guys, he doesn't do anything wrong to Andy, he isn't lying (if you believe him being sincere), he isn't two-faced, pretending to be someone else and then showing different side, actually he is pretty much up-front about his feelings/opinions/idea, he says it like he sees (feels) it ... and to most guys who don't feel that confident (because they don't have the same certainty to grasp on, because Andy isn't giving them as she does to Nick [and Josh]) he is a threat ... someone to bash ... if you notice, Josh is more confident too, he isn't participating in the whole "anti-Nick" conversation with the same "venom" as other guys, actually he tries to play it down, advices not to give Nick too much credit, he isn't reacting the same way as the rest, because he doesn't feel threatened the same way (the rest were all scared to get booted).
So listening Afterbuzz (38:50 on, they do their predictions of the end/but with no spoilers)... the other option someone gave was, that maybe from now on, maybe the producers switch the editing on Nick ... that they "redeem" him ...
I don't know if that will happen, but considering what I know from SM (the interaction between the guys with Nick) there is something that makes me question if that is possible.
I just really believe that the producers "used" Nick (btw - I'm not saying with that that he's an innocent victim of evil producers, heck, I give Nick way more credit to be very much aware of all) to make some drama ... because otherwise there would be none, because everyone was getting along so great that it "was boring to watch".

happygolucky wrote:
So listening Afterbuzz (38:50 on, they do their predictions of the end/but with no spoilers)... the other option someone gave was, that maybe from now on, maybe the producers switch the editing on Nick ... that they "redeem" him ...

Wow, happygolucky! You expressed eloquently how i view Nick, too! re: his "game" as the boys would term it!  

Watching Episode 7, Andi made it easier for us to know who really is her Final 2. She's very obvious with her strong connection with Josh and Nick. No brainer!  :P And since it is the Bachelor/Bachelorette Show we are watching, it is not always simple. haha We who somehow know the bag of tricks the TPTB have, it will confuse even the most veteran sleuth amongst us. Every season. It will confuse us who we think the Lead will choose in the end. Will the lead's F1 be drama free or will it be the tagged "villain" in the house. In Andi's case, unspoiled as i am, i do not know how it will go down in the FRC. You, happygolucky, described Nick as a "villain" who ain't really a villain. So let me coin Nick a Nick-name. *punintended* #ubercorny Nick, therefore, for me is Maleficent! Because he was picked on by the boys for his "game" and for being fake YET these same boys honor Nick on twitter by saying he is the most genuine person they know. How ironic is that?! haha So i guess Nick is Maleficentific after all!

Minus the drama and Maleficentific antics of Nick, i can see how he and Andi can "work" as a couple in real life. Somehow we had a preview of how they will be while they were strolling along Venice and even in Brussels. Super laidback and normal. Sweet and easy. Totally drama free. Because in the show, the drama was with the boys. NOT with Andi. Unlike with Josh, he seems to get along with the boys while in the show. (remember how genuinely excited Josh was when Cody got his 1 on 1? precious! i loved Josh even more!) Josh had issues (is it in the past tense, i wonder?) with Andi. Though we are all in agreement that once that is resolved, Josh dethrones Nick as F1 in her heart! (and isn't he the F1 in her heart? weeeee ) Plus, it is the little things that makes me think Josh is F1. It really is their body language. Josh and Andi are like clinging vines to each other. I'm not saying there is no passion with Nick and Andi. There is, too! But more subdued. As compared to Josh's, it is more sizzling. And Andi is more giddy with Josh.    Did you all notice Andi kissing Josh on the nose? weeee   And also, how Andi pulls Josh back for another kiss during their infamous-not anymore-mysterious-blue-lit-castle wall kiss?    Ok, Josh-Andi fans, do not tell me you did not have their date on repeat?!    If you missed that, go! Rewind it again! harhar

I keep on saying it will go down to the wire. Will Andi listen to what her head tells her or her heart.

Which brings me to...

Afterbuzz thinks they will redeem Nick? hmmm... Will they redeem Nick by giving him a good edit from Episode 8 till the FRC? Possible. But there wouldn't be much interaction with the "boys" because those boys are gone AND the only interaction with the other 3 would be at the Rose Ceremony. Well, the boys are "redeeming" Nick on SM, that's for sure! hmmmm haha If they do "redeem" him in whatever way, either for the purpose of making the viewers accept Nick as Andi's F1 OR redeeming him so we will love him as the next bachelor! hmmmm.... Either way is great!

Cari, I think Josh problem has been more about Andi not trusting him. He may have some trust issues too but I feel those were brought on by Andi not trusting him. His last gf he was fine with but the one prior was like Andi always questioning him. That was why he was so upset with the lie detector test. They had just had a great date and he thought they'd put that behind them.

I do agree that it will come down to mind/heart at the end. I remember JP saying after his LCD that Ash may love both Ben and him but she can only be IN love with one of them. I also think that Josh and Andi has the most in common.

As far as Nick goes he is probably a great salesman because he goes all in and will do whatever it takes to get the job done. Yes the guys have surrounded him now and they probably liked him except when it came to handling Andi so now they can go back to he's a great guy. I have two friends and I love them to death except when all three of us are together and then they start doing some things I'm not fond of. I don't reject them because I like them. Same can be true of Nick and the other guys.

Interesting posts to read everyone, thanks for your insight and thoughts on Nick, Josh etc.

Well, after re-watching Nick's sneaky 1:1 and Josh's 1:1 date, I must say that I am confused!

Andi is saying that she is confident that she can see Nick as last man standing; when he kisses her she knows what he is thinking, she says it (their relationship) is so passionate (I sure thought that line was going to be attributed to how she felt toward Josh)-- that sure seems like something one would say about their F1. BUT when I see her with Josh, after he tells her he is falling in love, the giddiness that she shows and the playfulness, the comfort level and the intimacy (kissing on the nose, pulling him in for the kiss--right around 35:32, etc..) points toward F1 to me as well. I must say TPTB sure did an editing job this season!

I would like to hear others speculate -- I read an article somewhere (Google News or People.com... I can't remember) that Andi was to resume her job on May 31st and instead she officially resigned her position as an ADA. I'm sure her reasoning is being well debated in the spoiled section! I can see 2 scenarios for this happening: 1) the Roberto smoking gun-- did she quit so that she can move to give the relationship a chance (points to a NICK as F1) OR 2) did she quit so that she is free to explore other options and travel (points to a JOSH as F1 as she and Josh talked about while at the Calanques)? 

What do you guys think?

So many good thoughts! One thing about Nick that I would not be able to get past or explain is how he doesn't seem to look at her in the eyes when he tells her he is falling in love with her or he will marry her. He looks down or away most of the time. Especially the first time he told her that. He didn't even look at her. To me, that is a big deal. If a man can't look at me when he says he loves me, I wouldn't believe it. I see a connection with them and won't be surprised if she picks him but I still see way more connection with Josh and the ease between them says a lot to me. More later after work  

LibbyBell wrote:Well, after re-watching Nick's sneaky 1:1 and Josh's 1:1 date, I must say that I am confused!

Andi is saying that she is confident that she can see Nick as last man standing; when he kisses her she knows what he is thinking, she says it (their relationship) is so passionate (I sure thought that line was going to be attributed to how she felt toward Josh)-- that sure seems like something one would say about their F1. BUT when I see her with Josh, after he tells her he is falling in love, the giddiness that she shows and the playfulness, the comfort level and the intimacy (kissing on the nose, pulling him in for the kiss--right around 35:32, etc..) points toward F1 to me as well. I must say TPTB sure did an editing job this season!

I would like to hear others speculate -- I read an article somewhere (Google News or People.com... I can't remember) that Andi was to resume her job on May 31st and instead she officially resigned her position as an ADA. I'm sure her reasoning is being well debated in the spoiled section! I can see 2 scenarios for this happening: 1) the Roberto smoking gun-- did she quit so that she can move to give the relationship a chance (points to a NICK as F1) OR 2) did she quit so that she is free to explore other options and travel (points to a JOSH as F1 as she and Josh talked about while at the Calanques)? 

What do you guys think?

Would it be spoiling to say something about Andi's resignation letter?

I'm still writing my answer from yesterday, ahahahah, wish I could just talk to you, it takes too much time to write it down. But yes Libby, the producers are good. I just rewatched 2.episode (the one I've seen first) and must say that there is something with Josh that is just "unspoken" ... but with Nick is sooo ... I will explain better once I'm finished with my "answer" ... what I can say now is that I've seen Andy looking at Josh as "OMG I can't believe my luck to have such a jock (in a good way) "fighting" for me" ... she had like an immediate crush on him and the most unbelievable to her was, that he was "crushing" on her too, she was swept away from that instance (wanted to kiss him right away). With Nick is a bit different, total mind consuming thing, but she doesn't look at him with the same eyes. And look for really long time I was convinced (ahahah, long time for me - 1 whole week since I'm in this thing) that she doesn't look Nick with googly eyes, but she does, only that with Josh is more like a teenager, just incredulous to believe her luck and also there's this fear/mystery "could this really be happening/is he really into me?" ... with Nick is more "grown-up" kind of look, but still there is passion and lust (which I've noticed only now). So they confused me with this last episode a lot. But I continue to believe she will go for Josh...
to me Josh is a gorgeous guy, really good looking and a good guy, to be around, to hang out, be friends and all ...
just to me there is a strange appeal to Nick's mind ... that I'm just drawn to Nick more (it's like he makes you feel like you're on the top, the only one, just in own world) ... but what will be the IT factor for Andy, what at the end will be that "thing that cannot be explained" to say "he's the one" - I cannot honestly say to know.