Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 4 - Mon June 2/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

FLChica wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:Eric was telling her he likes the real Andi, and not the camera Andi. You don't call Andi out, because she flips out and doesn't listen to anything else.

"Be honest with it" She couldn't accept his honesty.

Eric was being real-world honest with Andi, not sound byte for reality tv honest.  She is accustomed to being in charge and having the final word in the courtroom...but this isn't a courtroom.  She is fortunate to have editors that will protect her image for the sake of the show.  Eric wasn't upset that she was spending time with the other guys and understood there was a show to produce.  He just wanted her to be real when they were alone.

So Andi was exhausted after just a few weeks on the show with virtually no travel?  Did she not learn anything about the demands of reality tv on JPG's season?  It seems she found out very quickly that being the lead is a bit more difficult than being a contestant.  

The interview with CH at the end of the show was self-serving at best.  I'll leave it at that.

Sometimes I forget that Andi is 27 years old.  She is quite accomplished in her career for her age.  Because of that, however, her life experiences may be more limited than Eric's who is world-travelled at 33.  With that said, the only way I could put this to bed (in my own mind is to put myself in their shoes at the moment it happened).  With hindsight 20/20 vision and a third-party view, would I have done it differently?  Of course, but then again I am older than both these people and my experiences are different?  So perhaps understanding is how I can accept the situation and its outcome and move on.  

I understand that Eric wanted to see the "real" Andi that he has come to know during their 1 to 1 date.  He wanted her to show him the real Andi, not the pacifier Andi that he has encountered the last 2 weeks.  But because of delivery, Andi felt that she was being attacked and that it was not true that she has been fake, because after all she has shown true feelings to some if not all of the bachelors to whom she had face to face interactions.  Unfortunately, her delivery has left a lot to be desired as well.  I noticed Eric wanted to bring the conversation back down but realized that he had crossed the line and that is where my heart broke.  Eric wanted to move on but Andi didn't.  To me it felt like a bad breakup, hence my emotional reaction to the situation, and that I understand is magnified by Eric's passing.

Anyway, Andi's reaction after she's put some short distance to this is again a result of her experiences in handling situations like this.  I didn't see everything that happened between Andi and Eric so it is unfair for me to judge her reactions based on how little I know or watched.  I believe that a few years from now with enough distance from this experience and experience in being a mom, for example, or more situations for Andi to experience compassion - then she may have a different outlook.  So I am moving on with this: Who am I to judge?  Especially because I understand that my reaction is magnified by Eric's passing. -- My 02 cents

Great post Catwoman. I too am ready to move on and look forward to what will happen over the next few weeks.

Kashathediva wrote:The people who put the final segment with CH and Andi regarding Eric must be morons. 
If it was meant to tie things up ---it failed. If it was meant to make things look better--it failed. Whatever their motivation, it failed, unless they wanted Andi to feel a backlash.
All CH and Meandi had to do was make a few brief, well thought out and heartfelt comments--even if to remind the audience this is reality tv and a bubble and things in the moment are not always how things play out later and then move on to a lovely dedicated segment. 
They could have dedicated a good 5-7 minutes to outtakes and bloopers of Eric with cast and crew(and especially him with Meandi!) showing the lighter side of reality tv, the love and laughter that is not usually shown until we see the MTN. After this TPTB could have ended with a photo of Eric with the dates of his birth/death and faded out. 
At least that type of exit would have left the audience with some closure saying--yeah Meandi had a hissy, but this is reality tv, and not the entire way things went down.

I agree Kasha. I think Andi would still have gotten some backlash, but the end part was so not what it should have been!

Send a note to Fleiss with your ideas!!

nutty1 wrote:Great post Catwoman. I too am ready to move on and look forward to what will happen over the next few weeks.

I wholeheartedly agree with both you and Catwoman. Great post, Catwoman! I haven't elaborated much on what happened beyond saying that it is a no-win situation, heartbreaking and gut-wrenching for all involved. Since Andi found out about Eric's passing after the last HTD, it will be interesting to see how that news manifests itself into the rest of the filming...if it does at all.

Of course, it won't. It will be 'Eric Who' by next episode.

Cecilia wrote: Directly admitting that she was out of line a bit would have been better.  IMO the lawyer part in her - never really wanting to admit you are wrong - is not helping her as Bachelorette.  And she does have a "poker face."  Sorry.  She does.  But I do feel bad for her because she can't feel good about any of this and it could overshadow the entire season and experience.  I did like what she had to say about how the little things she was concerned with during the filming seem now insignificant, but I didn't get as much regret from her as I think I would have felt.  Who knows.  Maybe they edited a lot out.

Ditto with the bolded. It would have soften the impact of her last parting with Eric. I don't get why she have to talk about the Men Tell All when it's no longer possible for Eric to be around. She has her chance last night to redeem herself but she blew it.

Iam4UGA wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:The people who put the final segment with CH and Andi regarding Eric must be morons. 
If it was meant to tie things up ---it failed. If it was meant to make things look better--it failed. Whatever their motivation, it failed, unless they wanted Andi to feel a backlash.
All CH and Meandi had to do was make a few brief, well thought out and heartfelt comments--even if to remind the audience this is reality tv and a bubble and things in the moment are not always how things play out later and then move on to a lovely dedicated segment. 
They could have dedicated a good 5-7 minutes to outtakes and bloopers of Eric with cast and crew(and especially him with Meandi!) showing the lighter side of reality tv, the love and laughter that is not usually shown until we see the MTN. After this TPTB could have ended with a photo of Eric with the dates of his birth/death and faded out. 
At least that type of exit would have left the audience with some closure saying--yeah Meandi had a hissy, but this is reality tv, and not the entire way things went down.

I agree Kasha.  I think Andi would still have gotten some backlash, but the end part was so not what it should have been!

Send a note to Fleiss with your ideas!!

My cousin refuses to entertain any of my ideas since I gave up my prestigious escort business. Go figure.  

atem wrote:Of course, it won't.  It will be 'Eric Who' by next episode.

Perhaps, but I think Eric might come up at the MTN.

Kashathediva wrote:

Iam4UGA wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:The people who put the final segment with CH and Andi regarding Eric must be morons. 
If it was meant to tie things up ---it failed. If it was meant to make things look better--it failed. Whatever their motivation, it failed, unless they wanted Andi to feel a backlash.
All CH and Meandi had to do was make a few brief, well thought out and heartfelt comments--even if to remind the audience this is reality tv and a bubble and things in the moment are not always how things play out later and then move on to a lovely dedicated segment. 
They could have dedicated a good 5-7 minutes to outtakes and bloopers of Eric with cast and crew(and especially him with Meandi!) showing the lighter side of reality tv, the love and laughter that is not usually shown until we see the MTN. After this TPTB could have ended with a photo of Eric with the dates of his birth/death and faded out. 
At least that type of exit would have left the audience with some closure saying--yeah Meandi had a hissy, but this is reality tv, and not the entire way things went down.

I agree Kasha.  I think Andi would still have gotten some backlash, but the end part was so not what it should have been!

Send a note to Fleiss with your ideas!!

My cousin refuses to entertain any of my ideas since I gave up my prestigious escort business. Go figure.  

Thanks, this made my day!

Lol Kasha

Oh I think they are planning to show how it plays out at the HTD RC..

Did Chris say he called Andi with the news..but waited till they were all together? I just don't have in it in me to watch it again.

Hotmomma wrote:Oh I think they are planning to show how it plays out at the HTD RC..

Did Chris say he called Andi with the news..but waited till they were all together? I just don't have in it in me to watch it again.

Yeah, I agree HM. 
I think Eric is going to be brought up again at the HTD episode--at least at the RC or somewhere and again at the MTN. 
I don't mean to be disrespectful or insensitive, I just don't know how to word this differently: Eric's death will be the 800 lb gorilla in the room. So last night's handling of it will come home to haunt the following episodes dealing with his death.
Hopefully, they will edit a softer Meandi in handling her reactions vs the one showed last night.