Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 4 - Mon June 2/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

luvlady345 wrote:You know what I dislike more and more about  these Alumni how easy they forget when they were being racked  over the coals it truly amazing....

Not as amazing as the Leads getting away with acting like jerks.

Wonder if in that moment when Dylan was crying and Andi offered an "it's okay", she gained greater empathy for JP?

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Sprite wrote:

atem wrote:No, the guys were very supportive of her and I'm sure gave Eric a great bashing.  I say, show it and no, it doesn't have to do with his death.

If the show showed her reaction, show the guys' reactions as well.  

Yes, you are quite right, they could be editing out their negative reaction to Eric just as much as their negative reaction to Andi. Like you, I would like to see it as well. Either way, I'm sure there were probably a few who awoke out of their little dream world after all that drama...even if they may have not publically expressed it.

I'm curious about these guys reaction after seeing what have transpired between Eric and Andi on TV. I don't follow any of them in socmed so i have no idea of their present sentiments.

Here are a few (neither Josh nor Dylan has posted anything yet)

Nicholas Viall ‏@viallnicholas28 3h
Truly blessed to have gotten to know Eric. A truly genuine and passion man who lived life to the fullest. He will be missed #TheBachelorette
https://twitter.com/viallnicholas28/status/473652912925995008

Tasos Hernandez ‏@TasosHernandez 39m
Thank you for all your support. Tonight wasn't about a rose, it's about appreciating a mans legacy. Eric will be missed. #LiveLikeEric

Patrick Jags @PatrickJags  ·  12m
"I'm looking for love and love leads to family. Those are the two most important things in life." #LiveLikeEric

Retweeted by Brian Osborne
Alex Morgan @alexmorgan13  ·  22m
Everytime Eric was on the show I was sad :(anyone else felt that way? #bachelorettetalk

Nick's vocal support of Eric and Josh silence is very telling if they are indeed the F2.

Josh could merely post something good about Eric. That doesn't mean he is supporting Eric vs Andi.

julychild wrote:

Litta123 wrote:Chris is basically invisible in this episode, too. How does he make it to F3? I'm thinking that's wrong.

How did he make it to F4?!

I know - thats what I asked in another thread. And its not just this episode. There has been no progression since his first date.

For me, it's each individual contestant's personal choice to post or not post.  Those that do, fine.  Those that don't, for whatever reason, also fine since I have no idea what they may be doing behind the scenes on behalf of all of the participants.

I think Chris was supposed to go at f 4 but something must have happened between Andi and marcus for her to send him home

timfan wrote:I think Chris was supposed to go at f 4 but something must have happened between Andi and marcus for her to send him home

I'm still hoping for him to be the one to wake the heck up.

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Isabel123 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

Isabel123 wrote:

Sprite wrote:

atem wrote:No, the guys were very supportive of her and I'm sure gave Eric a great bashing.  I say, show it and no, it doesn't have to do with his death.

If the show showed her reaction, show the guys' reactions as well.  

Yes, you are quite right, they could be editing out their negative reaction to Eric just as much as their negative reaction to Andi. Like you, I would like to see it as well. Either way, I'm sure there were probably a few who awoke out of their little dream world after all that drama...even if they may have not publically expressed it.

I'm curious about these guys reaction after seeing what have transpired between Eric and Andi on TV. I don't follow any of them in socmed so i have no idea of their present sentiments.

Here are a few (neither Josh nor Dylan has posted anything yet)

Nicholas Viall ‏@viallnicholas28 3h
Truly blessed to have gotten to know Eric. A truly genuine and passion man who lived life to the fullest. He will be missed #TheBachelorette
https://twitter.com/viallnicholas28/status/473652912925995008

Tasos Hernandez ‏@TasosHernandez 39m
Thank you for all your support. Tonight wasn't about a rose, it's about appreciating a mans legacy. Eric will be missed. #LiveLikeEric

Patrick Jags @PatrickJags  ·  12m
"I'm looking for love and love leads to family. Those are the two most important things in life." #LiveLikeEric

Retweeted by Brian Osborne
Alex Morgan @alexmorgan13  ·  22m
Everytime Eric was on the show I was sad :(anyone else felt that way? #bachelorettetalk

Nick's vocal support of Eric and Josh silence is very telling if they are indeed the F2.

Josh could merely post something good about Eric. That doesn't mean he is supporting Eric vs Andi.

I think an acknowledgement of Eric's life by any of the guys from the show is an indication of their own character and the impact meeting Eric had on them personally. I peeked at several of their twitter accounts and there were many who tweeted or retweeted. A very nice farewell gesture.

I agree notarose. It was very kind of them and I appreciate they did it.

GuardianAngel wrote:Eric was telling her he likes the real Andi, and not the camera Andi. You don't call Andi out, because she flips out and doesn't listen to anything else.

"Be honest with it" She couldn't accept his honesty.

Eric was being real-world honest with Andi, not sound byte for reality tv honest.  She is accustomed to being in charge and having the final word in the courtroom...but this isn't a courtroom.  She is fortunate to have editors that will protect her image for the sake of the show.  Eric wasn't upset that she was spending time with the other guys and understood there was a show to produce.  He just wanted her to be real when they were alone.

So Andi was exhausted after just a few weeks on the show with virtually no travel?  Did she not learn anything about the demands of reality tv on JPG's season?  It seems she found out very quickly that being the lead is a bit more difficult than being a contestant.  

The interview with CH at the end of the show was self-serving at best.  I'll leave it at that.

I agree with the bolded. Directly admitting that she was out of line a bit would have been better. IMO the lawyer part in her - never really wanting to admit you are wrong - is not helping her as Bachelorette. And she does have a "poker face." Sorry. She does. But I do feel bad for her because she can't feel good about any of this and it could overshadow the entire season and experience. I did like what she had to say about how the little things she was concerned with during the filming seem now insignificant, but I didn't get as much regret from her as I think I would have felt. Who knows. Maybe they edited a lot out.

dw_a_mom wrote:I feel bad for Andi because she just over-the-edge exhausted, already at a breaking point from knowing she had to send someone else home, and not ready to handle the conversation with Eric.  But I do feel that she mistook what he was trying to say.

I think the producers may have left it in simply because it was the last footage they had of Eric, and it did show a bit of who he was.  

It doesn't make me think poorly of either of them.  The conversation reflected the realities of each of their positions, and just how pushed to the edge a lead can end up feeling.

For all the other ways the producers have handled this well, the closing interview with Chris and Andi was a misstep.  If she had said something that could have closed the conversation she had had with Eric, maybe expressed how she viewed it differently now, then I would have understood showing the interview, but she really did not.  I could tell she was struggling to hold it together emotionally, but she really didn't add anything new and what she said was not something that would change how she was perceived by viewers after the argument.  A brief statement from Chris about how everyone including Andi really liked and admired Eric, and maybe a montage, would have been better.

Eric must have been an amazing person to know.  

Godspeed, Eric.

The people who put the final segment with CH and Andi regarding Eric must be morons. 
If it was meant to tie things up ---it failed. If it was meant to make things look better--it failed. Whatever their motivation, it failed, unless they wanted Andi to feel a backlash.
All CH and Meandi had to do was make a few brief, well thought out and heartfelt comments--even if to remind the audience this is reality tv and a bubble and things in the moment are not always how things play out later and then move on to a lovely dedicated segment. 
They could have dedicated a good 5-7 minutes to outtakes and bloopers of Eric with cast and crew(and especially him with Meandi!) showing the lighter side of reality tv, the love and laughter that is not usually shown until we see the MTN. After this TPTB could have ended with a photo of Eric with the dates of his birth/death and faded out. 
At least that type of exit would have left the audience with some closure saying--yeah Meandi had a hissy, but this is reality tv, and not the entire way things went down.