Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 4 - Mon June 2/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

nutty1 wrote:I know this will not be popular opinion, but….
I think it doesn't reflect unfavorably on Eric. I do think though, for Andi, that it wasn't her fault either. I know some will crucify her for this, but I really believe you lead people on, especially in week 3. I don't think she actually lead all on (like JJ for instance) but she may have had an interest in Eric. She wasn't going to only concentrate on 1 or 2. First of all, she couldn't be totally sure at that point, second of all, there would be no show.
I am sure it is tough on the guys being there in the moment…….I wonder if he was truly interested n her, would he have approached it a little differently and not left??

ThankMeLater wrote:Honestly I feel bad for Andi as she's going to be CRUCIFIED tonight.

luvlady345 wrote:

atem wrote:Oh, for crying out loud.  So, it's ok for Andi to get upset at Eric, because he tells her the facts that this show is a farce?  That all he had to do is be the stupid puppet and keep quiet until SHE was ready to dump him and have him shed some tears over it?  I don't get what people thinking this makes any sense!

He called her a fake and phoney supposedly that's far different than calling the show a farce....

luvlady345 wrote:

Bet2Win wrote:

luvlady345 wrote:

nutty1 wrote:I am not saying that Andi was right to ask him to leave, but we do not (nor may we ever) know exactly what went on.
What I do stand by is that leading people on to a certain extent is going to happen every single season.
I still think Eric wasn't entirely into her either, or maybe he would have fought a little harder to stay.

I am going to wait and see what happens tonight. And again….editing. We know they aren't going to make Eric look bad, I have a feeling Andi will take the brunt of it.

EXACTLY, as long as the Bachelor/ette be on the lead has lead people on......I don't know what's so different about it this season.....

Maybe because Andi had such a hard time with that concept and took it out on JPG?
Pot, meet kettle.

Andi problem with JP was that he wasn't into her and she knew it......

luvlady345 wrote:And in who's world if this did happen is it ok to call someone Phoney and Fake? Eric didn't know Andi the total of hours spent with her was less than 24 hours.

pbmax wrote:

luvlady345 wrote:And in who's world if this  did happen is it ok to call someone Phoney and Fake? Eric didn't know Andi the total of hours spent with her was less than 24 hours.

I thought the guys had rights too. That anytime they had the right to leave, they had a right to express their feeling and refuse a rose. I know they signed a contract but I didn't think it says they can't tell the bach/ette what they think, heck didn't Andi do it on JPG show. It doesn't take that long to spot a fake.

Ash2214 wrote:My thoughts on the situation:

I don't love Andi and I certainly don't hate her. I actually think she's a pretty good lead that is intelligent and does seem interested in getting to know the guys regardless if she's actually attracted to them. It's her job to act and that's why she gets paid. It's just my opinion, but I would be tired as all heck if I had to act interested in 25 guys, make out with them, go on dates with him, act interested when in reality I really only wanted to get to know about three or four. It sounds silly saying it's difficult because that's what she signed up for, but it is difficult. Eventually I'm going to assume it takes a toll on you.

There are not enough adjectives for me to describe how amazing Eric seemed to be. What a guy. He certainly lived life to the fullest and was so bright. It's heartbreaking to think he isn't able to live anymore. For him to call out Andi though on acting, not being there to find love and being a phony, well I find that to be a tiny bit hypocritical. All 25 guys on that show went on there for numerous reasons and I bet it's safe to say that love wasn't a top priority for them. The lead acts. The contestants act. Plain and simple. No doubt about it. After all, Eric was doing a documentary.  

I'm going to assume Andi probably already knew who she wanted for hometowns at this point, at least it's obvious to me anyway, and she had to continue to act through that and according to her she was "tired" so when Eric accuses her of that, well I can kind of see why she would flip her lid a bit. If this wasn't being filmed and it was just two people having a heated conversation, the normal thing would have been to say yes - part of this involves acting, but they need to make a television show out of this. Production wants Andi to lose it. I also would bet a good amount of money that production pushed Eric to confront her too.

At the end of the day, it certainly doesn't make Andi and especially Eric bad people. Unfortunately, this is the power production holds. I'm hoping things aren't too bad for the both of them. With Eric's passing I'm assuming Andi feels pretty sucky that this is how her last conversation with a really sweet, good hearted guy went. Fingers crossed it won't be too bad.

nannymargie wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:My thoughts on the situation:

I don't love Andi and I certainly don't hate her. I actually think she's a pretty good lead that is intelligent and does seem interested in getting to know the guys regardless if she's actually attracted to them. It's her job to act and that's why she gets paid. It's just my opinion, but I would be tired as all heck if I had to act interested in 25 guys, make out with them, go on dates with him, act interested when in reality I really only wanted to get to know about three or four. It sounds silly saying it's difficult because that's what she signed up for, but it is difficult. Eventually I'm going to assume it takes a toll on you.

There are not enough adjectives for me to describe how amazing Eric seemed to be. What a guy. He certainly lived life to the fullest and was so bright. It's heartbreaking to think he isn't able to live anymore. For him to call out Andi though on acting, not being there to find love and being a phony, well I find that to be a tiny bit hypocritical. All 25 guys on that show went on there for numerous reasons and I bet it's safe to say that love wasn't a top priority for them. The lead acts. The contestants act. Plain and simple. No doubt about it. After all, Eric was doing a documentary.  

I'm going to assume Andi probably already knew who she wanted for hometowns at this point, at least it's obvious to me anyway, and she had to continue to act through that and according to her she was "tired" so when Eric accuses her of that, well I can kind of see why she would flip her lid a bit. If this wasn't being filmed and it was just two people having a heated conversation, the normal thing would have been to say yes - part of this involves acting, but they need to make a television show out of this. Production wants Andi to lose it. I also would bet a good amount of money that production pushed Eric to confront her too.

At the end of the day, it certainly doesn't make Andi and especially Eric bad people. Unfortunately, this is the power production holds. I'm hoping things aren't too bad for the both of them. With Eric's passing I'm assuming Andi feels pretty sucky that this is how her last conversation with a really sweet, good hearted guy went. Fingers crossed it won't be too bad.

Ash, I always love your post and the way you word things.  I really like how you are never critical of Andi or the guys.

Ash2214 wrote:Thanks everyone!!   

I really try to stay away from negative talk. I don't personally know Andi or the guys. It's tough for me to be negative about people who I only "get to know" through a reality television show. I also don't know everything that goes on during filming. I'm not going to judge anyone on the two hours we see each week.. Unless someone is ridiculously bad. I personally really like the F4 guys she picked and I think she would be lucky to end up with any of them and I think any of the F4 would be lucky to end up with Andi. I'm enjoying the season because we're getting a ton of time of Andi with the F4. I watch it for the ridiculous and sometimes hilarious drama and I watch it because it's genuinely nice watching the lead find someone that they view as the perfect fit - regardless if it's long lasting or not.

Catdwoman50 wrote:^^ This is discussed in Josh thread.  Hillary is on next Monday so they had 2 back to back episodes 3 & 4 this week.  I believe epi 5 is only 1 hour - Josh's date.