Andi Dorfman - The Bachelorette 10 - Discussion

nannymargie wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:^ Do you really think as he said those words he didn't think about the repercussions of them getting out? He himself said in interviews it was the one question he thought about asking her since he was let go.

I think he thought about those words he said,  there was  a long enough pause before he said it to make me believe he wanted everyone to know that she slept with him.

SueSt wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:^ Do you really think as he said those words he didn't think about the repercussions of them getting out? He himself said in interviews it was the one question he thought about asking her since he was let go.

I think he thought about those words he said,  there was  a long enough pause before he said it to make me believe he wanted everyone to know that she slept with him.

Nice theory.  No proof.

Sprite wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:In all seriousness, I would love to see how others would react to a man pulling you aside and stating to you that you were an actress. I would love to see what others would do if a man they dumped was trying to speak to you, was posting love pictures of you two together on social media, wrote you a letter saying you made a mistake and he wanted a second chance, and then proceeded to tell millions of people you had sex with him all while you were engaged to another man. Seriously. I would love to know how people would handle that. No one is perfect and I highly, highly doubt every other person would handle those situations all with rainbows and butterflies.

It's been over a half year since all of this went down and besides a couple of tweets that were done within days of the ATFR airing and Josh's comments about Juan Pablo, they've moved on and have seemingly been living a normal life down in Atlanta.

I also want to add this since I've seen this a lot today - I don't think a single person here has stated Andi is a saint and was not in the least bit guilty of making mistakes. She made mistakes and could have handled things better, but Eric (bless his heart) could have approached that situation differently and Nick could have too. It's a stupid, silly and 20% real television show with people  that are essentially playing one giant game with cameras in their faces. For me, it's hard to have this much hate or dislike for people from this show. In reality, they're all dumb for singing up to be on it in the first place and cheers to those tha actually make a relationship out of it.

I'm sorry, but the actress comment was way overblown by Andi. As was anything, anytime someone disagreed with her. As for the letters and trying to contact her, please. She knew how this show worked. She had to have known that producers were behind most of that...encouraging and egging on.

Many excuses were made for her behaviour but, she was not the first person to have done this show. She knew how it worked. She touted herself as a smart, tough woman who could handle gangs in her heels without breaking a sweat. Any time things didn't go her way she attacked. She showed little empathy...other than when dumping Cody and Chris...even then I don't know that I bought that that was anything than self serving. Lots of other leads, had issues with people on the show, but most managed to show compassion...genuine compassion...which is the reason we aren't talking about them despite of the things that may have gone down. Andi was a very polarizing figure because of her behaviour...even before the AFTR went down.

As for hate...I don't have that for anyone...let alone people on some reality show, however, this is a discussion forum and I am discussing how I arrived at my opinions. I may not like how Andi acted and I can't say I respect her, but, I don't hate her. I do agree that anyone signing up for this show needs to have their head examined and I am always amazed that they had one couple come out of this show with a successful relationship...let alone several!

SueSt wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:^ Do you really think as he said those words he didn't think about the repercussions of them getting out? He himself said in interviews it was the one question he thought about asking her since he was let go.

I think he thought about those words he said,  there was  a long enough pause before he said it to make me believe he wanted everyone to know that she slept with him.

Nice theory.  No proof.

nannymargie wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:^ Do you really think as he said those words he didn't think about the repercussions of them getting out? He himself said in interviews it was the one question he thought about asking her since he was let go.

I think he thought about those words he said,  there was  a long enough pause before he said it to make me believe he wanted everyone to know that she slept with him.

nannymargie wrote:

SueSt wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

I think he thought about those words he said,  there was  a long enough pause before he said it to make me believe he wanted everyone to know that she slept with him.

Nice theory.  No proof.

Right there is no proof to anything we are discussing because we weren't there and we are not them.  All this discussion is what see saw or didn't see and what we took away from it. Which is just fine.  We all have our favorites and nothing is going to change our minds.

Ash2214 wrote:

SueSt wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

I think he thought about those words he said,  there was  a long enough pause before he said it to make me believe he wanted everyone to know that she slept with him.

Nice theory.  No proof.

Nick himself said it was the one question he wanted to ask her in numerous interviews. That's not a theory.

Ash2214 wrote:How do we know for a fact that Andi was showing off her ring, placing her hand on Josh's leg to mark her territory or that she gets upset that fans want pictures with Josh or that they don't have a trusting relationship.

It legitimately worries me to see Andi being bashed so horribly for these things when in reality, from last night to tonight I have seen some horrible comments posted about Andi - the same thing Andi is apparently so deeply hated for.

Ash2214 wrote:

Sprite wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:In all seriousness, I would love to see how others would react to a man pulling you aside and stating to you that you were an actress. I would love to see what others would do if a man they dumped was trying to speak to you, was posting love pictures of you two together on social media, wrote you a letter saying you made a mistake and he wanted a second chance, and then proceeded to tell millions of people you had sex with him all while you were engaged to another man. Seriously. I would love to know how people would handle that. No one is perfect and I highly, highly doubt every other person would handle those situations all with rainbows and butterflies.

It's been over a half year since all of this went down and besides a couple of tweets that were done within days of the ATFR airing and Josh's comments about Juan Pablo, they've moved on and have seemingly been living a normal life down in Atlanta.

I also want to add this since I've seen this a lot today - I don't think a single person here has stated Andi is a saint and was not in the least bit guilty of making mistakes. She made mistakes and could have handled things better, but Eric (bless his heart) could have approached that situation differently and Nick could have too. It's a stupid, silly and 20% real television show with people  that are essentially playing one giant game with cameras in their faces. For me, it's hard to have this much hate or dislike for people from this show. In reality, they're all dumb for singing up to be on it in the first place and cheers to those tha actually make a relationship out of it.

I'm sorry, but the actress comment was way overblown by Andi. As was anything, anytime someone disagreed with her. As for the letters and trying to contact her, please. She knew how this show worked. She had to have known that producers were behind most of that...encouraging and egging on.

Many excuses were made for her behaviour but, she was not the first person to have done this show. She knew how it worked. She touted herself as a smart, tough woman who could handle gangs in her heels without breaking a sweat. Any time things didn't go her way she attacked. She showed little empathy...other than when dumping Cody and Chris...even then I don't know that I bought that that was anything than self serving. Lots of other leads, had issues with people on the show, but most managed to show compassion...genuine compassion...which is the reason we aren't talking about them despite of the things that may have gone down. Andi was a very polarizing figure because of her behaviour...even before the AFTR went down.

As for hate...I don't have that for anyone...let alone people on some reality show, however, this is a discussion forum and I am discussing how I arrived at my opinions. I may not like how Andi acted and I can't say I respect her, but, I don't hate her. I do agree that anyone signing up for this show needs to have their head examined and I am always amazed that they had one couple come out of this show with a successful relationship...let alone several!

Is this a fact? Production was behind most of it? If that's the case and we're going to use production as an excuse for Nick's actions, then can I say it's possible production told Andi she needed to kick Eric out and yell at him when he called her an actress and fake? Can I say production told Andi on the ATFR she needed to come out and confront Nick with no emotion? I find it hypocritical to allow Nick to have the excuse of the producers, but that Andi, the lead of the show, wasn't influenced by producers whatsoever.

Sprite wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

Sprite wrote:

I'm sorry, but the actress comment was way overblown by Andi. As was anything, anytime someone disagreed with her. As for the letters and trying to contact her, please. She knew how this show worked. She had to have known that producers were behind most of that...encouraging and egging on.

Many excuses were made for her behaviour but, she was not the first person to have done this show. She knew how it worked. She touted herself as a smart, tough woman who could handle gangs in her heels without breaking a sweat. Any time things didn't go her way she attacked. She showed little empathy...other than when dumping Cody and Chris...even then I don't know that I bought that that was anything than self serving. Lots of other leads, had issues with people on the show, but most managed to show compassion...genuine compassion...which is the reason we aren't talking about them despite of the things that may have gone down. Andi was a very polarizing figure because of her behaviour...even before the AFTR went down.

As for hate...I don't have that for anyone...let alone people on some reality show, however, this is a discussion forum and I am discussing how I arrived at my opinions. I may not like how Andi acted and I can't say I respect her, but, I don't hate her. I do agree that anyone signing up for this show needs to have their head examined and I am always amazed that they had one couple come out of this show with a successful relationship...let alone several!

Is this a fact? Production was behind most of it? If that's the case and we're going to use production as an excuse for Nick's actions, then can I say it's possible production told Andi she needed to kick Eric out and yell at him when he called her an actress and fake? Can I say production told Andi on the ATFR she needed to come out and confront Nick with no emotion? I find it hypocritical to allow Nick to have the excuse of the producers, but that Andi, the lead of the show, wasn't influenced by producers whatsoever.

While I appreciate you defending a couple you clearly like, I would appreciate it more without the sarcasm.

None of us can prove anything we discuss here as a fact unless we were there or talked to someone who was...and even then, they would have their own slant on the situation. That being said, I think people can generally agree that everyone is manipulated on this show...from casting all the way through editing. Over the years we have discovered many ways that producers manage to do this. While I may have specified Nick I take it as a given that everyone was...including And...and Josh...and Nick. Which was my point. If she knew she was being manipulated, you would think a smart woman like that would figure out that perhaps he was being manipulated as well.