Re: * No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussion- Thread #2

by eirekay Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:41 pm

quietpal wrote:Yep, that's the way I see it. I'm not defending anyone's actions. I'm simply stating that both people played a part in this.

True, but only one of those two people knew what was going to happen two days later. JP made a comment that objectified Clare and made light of any true relationship between them fully knowing that he was going to dump her two days later and knowing that Clare believed she was in love with him. That strikes me as cruel.

by Guest Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:00 pm

eirekay wrote:
quietpal wrote:Yep, that's the way I see it. I'm not defending anyone's actions. I'm simply stating that both people played a part in this.

True, but only one of those two people knew what was going to happen two days later. JP made a comment that objectified Clare and made light of any true relationship between them fully knowing that he was going to dump her two days later and knowing that Clare believed she was in love with him. That strikes me as cruel.

His actions on the LCD were also cruel. He had to take someone to F2, but he didn't have to play "their song" and talk about their future. He took it too far, imo.

by quietpal Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:12 pm

Well, IMO, she didn't have to stay. She could've left. She chose not to. Honestly, I'm not sure why she stayed after that whole ocean incident, but she did. I really wish her the best in her future relationships.

by eirekay Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:18 pm

quietpal wrote:Well, IMO, she didn't have to stay. She could've left. She chose not to. Honestly, I'm not sure why she stayed after that whole ocean incident, but she did. I really wish her the best in her future relationships.

ITA! That said, I'm quite sure that TPTB had a lot to do with why she stayed in both instances. They would not have wanted a "default" F1, they knew Sharleen was leaving, and that Andi wasn't all in. Whoever Clare's producer was, they had to have been pretty persuasive to keep her around IMO.

by nd4reality Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:20 pm

This is not the first out of the 20 odd seasons that the lead has been "cruel" to the F2 just prior. Off the top of my head - Andi Baldwin comes to mind. He said ILY to Bevin on their LCD no less. There are other examples that come to mind but I cannot remember now. But that one for sure was cruel. He in fact apparently was into his F1 from the very beginning.
The Brit twit slept with his f2 on the LCD.
Same old same old.

by Pia1 Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:41 pm

Was it implied by Clare that she slept with Juan Pablo? I didn't watch the Season but now I'm curious about what JP said to her that she couldn't repeat.

by umngirl Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:44 pm

Pia1 wrote:Was it implied by Clare that she slept with Juan Pablo? I didn't watch the Season but now I'm curious about what JP said to her that she couldn't repeat.

"I loved f**king you" is the statement she didn't want to repeat, but she did in the heat of the moment after her rejection. Pretty much implies they slept together. And I for one have no difficult believing they slept together and that he said that.

by julychild Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:51 pm

see2love wrote:
Iam4UGA wrote:
murasaki1393 wrote:
Alanna wrote:The whole "some women deserve it" in terms of being treated as sex objects only is a very bad path to travel down IMO. JPG slut shamed Clare over and over and it's a testament to what a chauvinist he is and how he views women. It's very reminiscent of Brad treating Chantal and Ashley (until she showed her sharp little teeth and told him off) as these naughty girls to hook up with and the pedestal was reserved for Emily. It's seriously messed up. I know it is probably part of JPG's culture and maybe Nikki is okay with it, but his treatment of Clare says much more about him than her.

True. I guess one can easily forget who was taking her to the first date which required a bikini, asking her to sneak around in the pool before the ocean gate, making the Vietnam GD as 1-1 date ( and stole some besitos), breaking his own rule for not kissing anyone in SK by those choc-flavored besitos, playing that cheesy song over and over ( maybe he views Clare as his best lover?)..the list goes on.... And ultimately the infamous banter: "just tell me you love me"... " umm IDK you... But I love effing you".. . What a warm-hearted compliment. Hands down, What a well-rounded gentleman!! .
(For those who curio why there was no audio or cameraman around , can check out Jason-Molly podcast part 1 for details ).

ItA with both of these!

Every girl on the Bachelor will eventually wear a bikini. I know JuanB did not plan the date, only chose who to go with. He went on Bikini dates with many more. lets be honest here...Clare was all about the physical. she knew it, played it and couldn't handle it when it was all she got back.
He did the whole Besitos thing with Andi, and when Andi felt insulted she left. Clare shpuld have done the same. She got overly confident and felt entitled and when it did not go her way, she became a meanie.
The whole woman scorned act at the end was laughable. you were ready to marry him a minute ago and suddenly you wouldn't choose him to father your kids.

Yes, I know the rules, but the highlighted statement is what is laughable! Have we not all seen strong women in our own lives completely fall for a guy, give a dead beat relationship their all and then suddenly wake-up to the realization that the guy and relationship is not what they hoped/thought it was?! It is very possible to see a guy as your "prince" in one day and have the scales fall of your eyes the next and see that he truly is your "monster."
Very Possible!!!

This has happened to a TV person, and all of a sudden everyone is on their judgemental trip, acting as if they've never been there. As if they've never played the fool, or known anyone whose played the fool, over a guy. Someone has a normal human reaction to unexpected heartbreak, and she is playing the victim, is playing the woman scorned? Ish!!! Clare has moved on, JP and Nikki have moved on.

Promote what you Love Instead of Bashing what you Hate!

by FLChica Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:59 pm

nd4reality wrote:This is not the first out of the 20 odd seasons that the lead has been "cruel" to the F2 just prior. Off the top of my head - Andi Baldwin comes to mind. He said ILY to Bevin on their LCD no less. There are other examples that come to mind but I cannot remember now. But that one for sure was cruel. He in fact apparently was into his F1 from the very beginning.
The Brit twit slept with his f2 on the LCD.
Same old same old.

I felt so bad for Bevin. She actually believed Andy. Deanna let Jason get down on one knee and propose. Ben got down on one knee to propose. Jake all but said that Tenley was frigid. Ali got to cut golden boy Chris loose, but that was first. Same old, same old.

It's funny that most didn't like Clare and made disparaging remarks about her until she lashed out at Juan Pablo. I think the saying is Something like "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

by Pia1 Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:14 pm

umngirl wrote:
Pia1 wrote:Was it implied by Clare that she slept with Juan Pablo? I didn't watch the Season but now I'm curious about what JP said to her that she couldn't repeat.

"I loved f**king you" is the statement she didn't want to repeat, but she did in the heat of the moment after her rejection. Pretty much implies they slept together. And I for one have no difficult believing they slept together and that he said that.

That's a pretty crass statement. If he slept with Clare or anyone else in the show, I wouldn't want him if I were Nikki. But that's just me as I consider men like that as having very little self control/discipline. Since there's two sides to every story and we don't know for a fact that it's true so I will see how it goes for them. He seems to be into Nikki from what I've seen on a couple of videos. I wish them the best.

by pbmax Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:19 pm

umngirl wrote:
Pia1 wrote:Was it implied by Clare that she slept with Juan Pablo? I didn't watch the Season but now I'm curious about what JP said to her that she couldn't repeat.

"I loved f**king you" is the statement she didn't want to repeat, but she did in the heat of the moment after her rejection. Pretty much implies they slept together. And I for one have no difficult believing they slept together and that he said that.

That's how TPTB play folks like a fiddle every season. All they have to do is leave the innuendo and people will take it in any direction they want. She denied oceangate hmmm. I can maybe see no cameras after the heli landed but not the mics and she made it a point to tell us in vo that probably was done after taping, because of the sound bite. Why we didn't see anymore of that date after they started walking up the hill, they cut to the night portion...maybe because it wouldn't align with their lie.

by Isabel123 Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:25 pm

pbmax wrote:
umngirl wrote:
Pia1 wrote:Was it implied by Clare that she slept with Juan Pablo? I didn't watch the Season but now I'm curious about what JP said to her that she couldn't repeat.

"I loved f**king you" is the statement she didn't want to repeat, but she did in the heat of the moment after her rejection. Pretty much implies they slept together. And I for one have no difficult believing they slept together and that he said that.

That's how TPTB play folks like a fiddle every season. All they have to do is leave the innuendo and people will take it in any direction they want. She denied oceangate hmmm. I can maybe see no cameras after the heli landed but not the mics and she made it a point to tell us in vo that probably was done after taping, because of the sound bite. Why we didn't see anymore of that date after they started walking up the hill, they cut to the night portion...maybe because it wouldn't align with their lie.

In the previews, it was shown JP and Claire hugging and kissing on top of the mountain. But it was no longer aired during the LCD episode. You are right with the bolded, it won't fit with the edit.

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