*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussions

You're right Eriekay. Blows that theory. It is so puzzling to see Clare so calm and collected in the walk back to boat with Chris. Don't know what to think anymore about how this plays out. "It's ok" whatever.  I just want both girls to find the love they are looking for and not crushed by the outcome. I'm not worried about JP, he has Camiila's love, a good situation with Carla, was happy before show, will get even more attention from women after, and more fame and probably more money to go with it.

Many a time the rejected bette holds it all in .. Until they hit the limo .. Then the spigot gets turned on .. Not so sure Clare is as calm as some May think..... We have seen that reaction many times over....

She does not look happy .. With her head down .. Her smile gone .. Exiting the FRC area

Luvstruck wrote:You're right Eriekay. Blows that theory. It is so puzzling to see Clare so calm and collected in the walk back to boat with Chris. Don't know what to think anymore about how this plays out. "It's ok" whatever.  I just want both girls to find the love they are looking for and not crushed by the outcome. I'm not worried about JP, he has Camiila's love, a good situation with Carla, was happy before show, will get even more attention from women after, and more fame and probably more money to go with it.

I couldn't have said it better.  ITA 

Jeepers wrote:Many a time the rejected bette holds it all in .. Until they hit the limo .. Then the spigot gets turned on .. Not so sure Clare is as calm as some May think..... We have seen that reaction many times over....

She does not look happy .. With her head down .. Her smile gone .. Exiting the FRC area

She doesn't look happy to me either.

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julychild wrote:I saw a preview last night and it was more or less what we've already seen, but they included VO's of Nikki (I think) saying "Something didn't go right" and Clare (I'm sure) "maybe he's not the man I thought he was." The only "odd" thing were the letters OMG shown and spoken over a shot of a city that most definitely wasn't St. Lucia. It was a nighttime aerial shot of a river/wharf, it looked like downtown somewhere-ville.

Did anyone else see this?

I didn't but I'm wondering about the bolded. Hmmmm..could it be that Nikki was on her way to see Juan Pablo and he makes a request to put it off after Clare leaves because he is so upset with Clare's reaction....gathers his thoughts and then proceeds with FRC next day or later that evening? Has that ever happened before? I just don't see Nikki walking away by choice at FRC. We hear her talking the morning of FRC and she's still all in. Through twitter, his family(cousin) wants to tell us something or is trying very hard to tell us something...but what?

ETA: I am concerned about JP state of mind after his rejection of F2. I've said all along I'm concerned how he holds up and makes it through a positive FRC.

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grace8136 wrote:

eversotrue wrote:That scene with Clare and JP's mom sounds exactly like what everyone says he is like. Honest but rude. Funny how it's so accurate. That scene is also good amo for the Clare supporters because it goes right into what ya'll were talking about in regards to her "accepting" him or whatever.

I posted this on the spoiled side. A lot of people are blaming TPTB for the edit, but his parents also threw him under the bus which is way worse IMO. I was thinking that his whole edit/storyline may have been born out of his parents comments at MTP. They confirmed the storyline for TPTB! The last few deleted scenes are too much for me. Ive jumped ship on JP. I don't think he deserves the nightmare it has become for him, but I don't think the edit is lying either. I also don't think they would portray him this way unless it was going to get worse on Monday.  :shocked!: 

Grace, I have a son who is difficult and can make me so mad that tears flow at times...but I would not trade him for any son in the world. 95% of the time, he's the sweetest thing in the world.  If I'm going to talk to someone who is potentially going to be in a serious relationship with my son, I don't want her to dive in thinking it's all roses....because it's not. To me that 5% of the time is important to understand and know...not every day is his best day. Mine either for that matter. But maybe that's why I like JP as much as I do, I'm all about being up front. It keeps me out of trouble.

I have sons also. I would definitely not say anything negative on television and I doubt I would do it in private either. I would not sabotage the relationship. They date and figure out if it works on their own. When they are adults, I just don't think it's right to interfere. JMO

Wow, I just read that 7 bachelors did not propose. Hadn't realized the number was that high. So not proposing is really not unusual.

I understand. I do. I'm like Nikki who we know is very inquisitive. If I have to figure out what I'm feeling and who he is completely in 8 weeks and potentially accept a proposal, I want to know the good, the bad and the ugly. The not so great days are always there somewhere.

notarose wrote:Wow, I just read that 7 bachelors did not propose. Hadn't realized the number was that high.  So not proposing is really not unusual.

That was all before Brad 1.0 no pick .. Since then they have all proposed

Jeepers wrote:

notarose wrote:Wow, I just read that 7 bachelors did not propose. Hadn't realized the number was that high.  So not proposing is really not unusual.

That was all before Brad 1.0 no pick .. Since then they have all proposed

Oh, that really puts it into perspective and explains, to a degree, the pressure theory. Somewhere I read that if the man proposes the woman must, by presigned contract , accept. If that true?

notarose wrote:

Jeepers wrote:

notarose wrote:Wow, I just read that 7 bachelors did not propose. Hadn't realized the number was that high.  So not proposing is really not unusual.

That was all before Brad 1.0 no pick .. Since then they have all proposed

Oh, that really puts it into perspective and explains, to a degree, the pressure theory.  Somewhere I read that if the man proposes the woman must, by presigned contract , accept. If that true?

We'll .. Put it this way .. Unless one wants to get led to the slaughter edit wise (as we are seeing them do to JP) .. One should say yes  :shocked!: 

Jeepers wrote:

notarose wrote:

Jeepers wrote:

notarose wrote:Wow, I just read that 7 bachelors did not propose. Hadn't realized the number was that high.  So not proposing is really not unusual.

That was all before Brad 1.0 no pick .. Since then they have all proposed

Oh, that really puts it into perspective and explains, to a degree, the pressure theory.  Somewhere I read that if the man proposes the woman must, by presigned contract , accept. If that true?

We'll .. Put it this way .. Unless one wants to get led to the slaughter edit wise (as we are seeing them do to JP) .. One should say yes  :shocked!: 

So by deduction, he may have been ready to propose but she wasn't certain leading him to defer until an acceptance would be authentic. Now that would unconditional love.