*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 FINALE (LCD/MTP/FRC) Discussions

Hotmomma wrote:mura I can't view you clips( flash)
However I agree with clare on the bed crying..I believe it's her down fall..big red flag to me..

lexforlife wrote:I remember that screenscap of her crying her eyes out on the last RC over Andi leaving and that article  about her questioning why her friend left, what she saw in him that would make her leave and frankly both of the women think they r too different that him keeping either of them is a red flag. I can see Nikki considering Andi quitting and Clare still being there as both negatives  but staying because she feels strongly about  the guy. I'm starting a drinking game next week btw for how many times I will be hearing her say I am in love with this guy, lol. Did the guy lose his name?
You know what else I'm looking forward, JuanPa closing statement,  I cant wait to hear what he has to say to Nikki.

murasaki1393 wrote:ANOTHER RED FLAG FOR CLAIRE

i consider THIS ITM as a HUGE red flag for Clare  (from 2:22)



this particular ITM has gotten me,nd and mp think this as set-Up for her downfall during MTP/LCD.

btw, the Nikki`s toast also note-worthy, IMO (is it common?)

i bring over part of my prev post  :

or...something had happened in the finale that shake up the supposed-to-be the final outcome. nd, mp and i --and few posters--speculate there will be tattle tales of Nikki dropped by Clare on LCD. thus the line of Nikki : ` i can pick out of all negative things and dwell on them` while crying --BL wise, i assume it is a `being hurt` cry--while Clare `im shocked..what he had to say to me was awful `likely occured in FRC, as some said, but to me, it seems related to the same topic : Juan doesnt like tattle tales, soo in spite of in agreement with that, he rather `confront` Clare about it, hence we saw Clare crying in her bed --BL wise, i see this as a `regret` cry.  

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murasaki1393 wrote:

Hotmomma wrote:mura I can't view you clips( flash)
However I agree with clare on the bed crying..I believe it's her down fall..big red flag to me..

esp. for you, HM !  

Clare`s red flag ITM
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rosesrREd wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

Hotmomma wrote:mura I can't view you clips( flash)
However I agree with clare on the bed crying..I believe it's her down fall..big red flag to me..

esp. for you, HM !  

Clare`s red flag ITM
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Why do you think Clare's ITM is a red flag?

Hotmomma wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

Hotmomma wrote:mura I can't view you clips( flash)
However I agree with clare on the bed crying..I believe it's her down fall..big red flag to me..

esp. for you, HM !  

Clare`s red flag ITM
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Why do you think Clare's ITM is a red flag?  

Because she is crying sounding like regretful about what she said..and what JP said...I think ( just my guess) maybe he was honest to her about their relationship OR Nikki OR maybe what his is thinking about the outcome..

I just think since he was so onset to Andi..I think he would be honest telling the girls what he actual felt.

Like I said just trying to put the pieces of how it all went down..LOL

rosesrREd wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

Hotmomma wrote:mura I can't view you clips( flash)
However I agree with clare on the bed crying..I believe it's her down fall..big red flag to me..

esp. for you, HM !  

Clare`s red flag ITM
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Litta123 wrote:^^mura, one thing that I noted from the first YT is that Juan invited the girls to bring their concerns to him. So if he dumps Clare because she turns out to be a tattletale and he doesn't like that, he put Clare in a lose-lose situation.

Truthfully, I doubt that's why he would choose Nikki over Clare, but if that's the reason he gives, I will be more than frustrated. I hope he has a better reason than that to choose Nikki.

2observe wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

Hotmomma wrote:mura I can't view you clips( flash)
However I agree with clare on the bed crying..I believe it's her down fall..big red flag to me..

esp. for you, HM !  

Clare`s red flag ITM
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Why do you think Clare's ITM is a red flag?  

I think that it's because Clare talks about being engaged which is normally a red flag.  To me, Clare's relationship with Juan has been more of a physical relationship.  I don't recall the two of them having a conversation or conversations about what could make them make it as a couple.  To me, that's very important.  

2observe wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:ANOTHER RED FLAG FOR CLAIRE

i consider THIS ITM as a HUGE red flag for Clare  (from 2:22)



this particular ITM has gotten me,nd and mp think this as set-Up for her downfall during MTP/LCD.

btw, the Nikki`s toast also note-worthy, IMO (is it common?)

i bring over part of my prev post  :

or...something had happened in the finale that shake up the supposed-to-be the final outcome. nd, mp and i --and few posters--speculate there will be tattle tales of Nikki dropped by Clare on LCD. thus the line of Nikki : ` i can pick out of all negative things and dwell on them` while crying --BL wise, i assume it is a `being hurt` cry--while Clare `im shocked..what he had to say to me was awful `likely occured in FRC, as some said, but to me, it seems related to the same topic : Juan doesnt like tattle tales, soo in spite of in agreement with that, he rather `confront` Clare about it, hence we saw Clare crying in her bed --BL wise, i see this as a `regret` cry.  

the preview :

Nikki's the one that we have seen questioning Juan about himself and their relationship; and, also giving information to him about herself both positive and negative.  There conversation is always about there interactions with each other.  So if Nikki is F2, she's the most unusual one I've ever seen.

murasaki1393 wrote:

Litta123 wrote:^^mura, one thing that I noted from the first YT is that Juan invited the girls to bring their concerns to him. So if he dumps Clare because she turns out to be a tattletale and he doesn't like that, he put Clare in a lose-lose situation.

Truthfully, I doubt that's why he would choose Nikki over Clare, but if that's the reason he gives, I will be more than frustrated. I hope he has a better reason than that to choose Nikki.

yeah..i caught that too..i guess i read too much on the crying scenes....that has really got me...  

i guess i dont care that MUCH about JP and his F1   (i beg to differ from you this time      )

on a lighter note, someone (i think Chacaroo?) has said on other thread commenting on the 2-nights events preview :

`soo..how bad is JPab on bed, that all of his 3 girls are crying??'   ..tooooo funny!!