*No Spoilers* The Bachelor Episode 9 FD Discussions

docnash14 wrote:

albean99 wrote:It's funny that so many here are anti-Andi from last night but she's getting a lot of support elsewhere. I like her a lot and loved seeing her dish it out. I'm just surprised we've never seen this before. I guess everyone just goes along and cries in the limo. I like that she decided he wasn't for her and just didn't wait for him to decide. I like assertive women. I remember back to Bob's season when Kelly Jo was p/o with him when she found out she wasn't f1. I so wanted her to push him in the pool.   

Yes there's producers manipulation. Once they knew how she was feeling (probably in the morning PI), they'd want to get it on camera. They very likely also have worked her up even more by the time she saw JP again. I believe the reason Andi didn't stop when she told him she didn't feel he was right for her was that she didn't think he got what she felt he'd done wrong. Maybe it's good for him to know that so he can be more careful with the other women. I do think the producers are allowing him to look bad but there's very little drama this season so you know they're going to use it.

I think Andi's going to be a good lead and don't think she'll just be bossy. DeAnna's problem wasn't so much that she was bossy but was so single minded on getting a proposal that she scared away the one guy she wanted. I like her but she drove me a little crazy that it was all she talked about.

There is no doubt about producer manipulation.  And, I am all for assertive women and for that I am glad Andi attempted to speak up for herself.  However, there is a distinct line between between assertiveness and aggressiveness and, in my opinion, Andi crossed it by not being able to take responsibility for her part (not speaking up during the date and for that matter staying all night if she was that miserable - as far as I know, they are not locked in there together until morning) and by taking JuanPa's inventory.

albean99 wrote:It's funny that so many here are anti-Andi from last night but she's getting a lot of support elsewhere. I like her a lot and loved seeing her dish it out. I'm just surprised we've never seen this before. I guess everyone just goes along and cries in the limo. I like that she decided he wasn't for her and just didn't wait for him to decide. I like assertive women. I remember back to Bob's season when Kelly Jo was p/o with him when she found out she wasn't f1. I so wanted her to push him in the pool.   

Yes there's producers manipulation. Once they knew how she was feeling (probably in the morning PI), they'd want to get it on camera. They very likely also have worked her up even more by the time she saw JP again. I believe the reason Andi didn't stop when she told him she didn't feel he was right for her was that she didn't think he got what she felt he'd done wrong. Maybe it's good for him to know that so he can be more careful with the other women. I do think the producers are allowing him to look bad but there's very little drama this season so you know they're going to use it.

I think Andi's going to be a good lead and don't think she'll just be bossy. DeAnna's problem wasn't so much that she was bossy but was so single minded on getting a proposal that she scared away the one guy she wanted. I like her but she drove me a little crazy that it was all she talked about.

sde1041 wrote:

Jeepers wrote:Well .. If filming has started .. Those 25 guys have not seen Andi in action .. And won't know what to expect

Poor guys, they're in for the shock of their lives.

albean99 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

albean99 wrote:It's funny that so many here are anti-Andi from last night but she's getting a lot of support elsewhere. I like her a lot and loved seeing her dish it out. I'm just surprised we've never seen this before. I guess everyone just goes along and cries in the limo. I like that she decided he wasn't for her and just didn't wait for him to decide. I like assertive women. I remember back to Bob's season when Kelly Jo was p/o with him when she found out she wasn't f1. I so wanted her to push him in the pool.   

Yes there's producers manipulation. Once they knew how she was feeling (probably in the morning PI), they'd want to get it on camera. They very likely also have worked her up even more by the time she saw JP again. I believe the reason Andi didn't stop when she told him she didn't feel he was right for her was that she didn't think he got what she felt he'd done wrong. Maybe it's good for him to know that so he can be more careful with the other women. I do think the producers are allowing him to look bad but there's very little drama this season so you know they're going to use it.

I think Andi's going to be a good lead and don't think she'll just be bossy. DeAnna's problem wasn't so much that she was bossy but was so single minded on getting a proposal that she scared away the one guy she wanted. I like her but she drove me a little crazy that it was all she talked about.

There is no doubt about producer manipulation.  And, I am all for assertive women and for that I am glad Andi attempted to speak up for herself.  However, there is a distinct line between between assertiveness and aggressiveness and, in my opinion, Andi crossed it by not being able to take responsibility for her part (not speaking up during the date and for that matter staying all night if she was that miserable - as far as I know, they are not locked in there together until morning) and by taking JuanPa's inventory.

But we don't know the situation. I know I tend to wake up first and I lay in bed thinking about things. Maybe Andi went over things and it wasn't clear until then? He's pretty touchy feely and it's probably easy to just kiss him instead of really thinking. I really think she'd have talked to him in the morning if given a chance.

docnash14 wrote:

albean99 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

albean99 wrote:It's funny that so many here are anti-Andi from last night but she's getting a lot of support elsewhere. I like her a lot and loved seeing her dish it out. I'm just surprised we've never seen this before. I guess everyone just goes along and cries in the limo. I like that she decided he wasn't for her and just didn't wait for him to decide. I like assertive women. I remember back to Bob's season when Kelly Jo was p/o with him when she found out she wasn't f1. I so wanted her to push him in the pool.   

Yes there's producers manipulation. Once they knew how she was feeling (probably in the morning PI), they'd want to get it on camera. They very likely also have worked her up even more by the time she saw JP again. I believe the reason Andi didn't stop when she told him she didn't feel he was right for her was that she didn't think he got what she felt he'd done wrong. Maybe it's good for him to know that so he can be more careful with the other women. I do think the producers are allowing him to look bad but there's very little drama this season so you know they're going to use it.

I think Andi's going to be a good lead and don't think she'll just be bossy. DeAnna's problem wasn't so much that she was bossy but was so single minded on getting a proposal that she scared away the one guy she wanted. I like her but she drove me a little crazy that it was all she talked about.

There is no doubt about producer manipulation.  And, I am all for assertive women and for that I am glad Andi attempted to speak up for herself.  However, there is a distinct line between between assertiveness and aggressiveness and, in my opinion, Andi crossed it by not being able to take responsibility for her part (not speaking up during the date and for that matter staying all night if she was that miserable - as far as I know, they are not locked in there together until morning) and by taking JuanPa's inventory.

But we don't know the situation. I know I tend to wake up first and I lay in bed thinking about things. Maybe Andi went over things and it wasn't clear until then? He's pretty touchy feely and it's probably easy to just kiss him instead of really thinking. I really think she'd have talked to him in the morning if given a chance.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.  I just read somewhere that Andi is saying that she was trying to take her mind off being in the FS by thinking of whatever else she could.  If she was that aware that she was not digging him and was that miserable, I think she owed it to herself to say something even if she wasn't ready to declare that she was done.  For instance, she could have said that it hurt her when he made the default comment or that she was feeling frustrated that he wasn't asking questions about her.

iamreal2u wrote:Talking about animals/critters did you notice that they were two horses mom and baby and two ducks before he met up with Nikki.

Also if Clare is F1 something happened after because his cousin is not her friend right now.  He favored this tweet:

nascar48tvlgirl ‏@nascar48tvlgirl  Feb 24
I think @JuanPaGalavis needs to run from Clare and her crazy sister as fast as he can!  #Bachelor

and said this tonight

Rodolfo Soules ‏@rodolfoelchamo  4h
"Loving Falling in love with you" ... Clare.    WAIT what???  #TheBachelor

murasaki1393 wrote:

iamreal2u wrote:Talking about animals/critters did you notice that they were two horses mom and baby and two ducks before he met up with Nikki.

Also if Clare is F1 something happened after because his cousin is not her friend right now.  He favored this tweet:

nascar48tvlgirl ‏@nascar48tvlgirl  Feb 24
I think @JuanPaGalavis needs to run from Clare and her crazy sister as fast as he can!  #Bachelor

and said this tonight

Rodolfo Soules ‏@rodolfoelchamo  4h
"Loving Falling in love with you" ... Clare.    WAIT what???  #TheBachelor

just curio, do you think his cousin knows exactly the show`s outcome??...is he pulling a `Nate` on us??   

Ps : as crazy as some peeps think of Nate, i believe he was dropping some clues about the show`s outcome in Des season. at first i thought he might get into trouble by `violating` TPTB`s rule..but turned out everything is just fine post-show. so yeah..i think i can concur the Nikki F1 logic by analyzing Rodolfo`s tweets (assuming he knows EXACTLY who the F1 is...--thats why i ask you.. :Smiley: )

Mirzam wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

iamreal2u wrote:Talking about animals/critters did you notice that they were two horses mom and baby and two ducks before he met up with Nikki.

Also if Clare is F1 something happened after because his cousin is not her friend right now.  He favored this tweet:

nascar48tvlgirl ‏@nascar48tvlgirl  Feb 24
I think @JuanPaGalavis needs to run from Clare and her crazy sister as fast as he can!  #Bachelor

and said this tonight

Rodolfo Soules ‏@rodolfoelchamo  4h
"Loving Falling in love with you" ... Clare.    WAIT what???  #TheBachelor

just curio, do you think his cousin knows exactly the show`s outcome??...is he pulling a `Nate` on us??   

Ps : as crazy as some peeps think of Nate, i believe he was dropping some clues about the show`s outcome in Des season. at first i thought he might get into trouble by `violating` TPTB`s rule..but turned out everything is just fine post-show. so yeah..i think i can concur the Nikki F1 logic by analyzing Rodolfo`s tweets (assuming he knows EXACTLY who the F1 is...--thats why i ask you.. :Smiley: )

I do think he knows the outcome. Rodolfo was with Juan Pablo for the MLS Cup in Kansas City!!!!! He tweeted on Monday night about everyone talking about Oklahoma Joe's when he was in KC for the MLS cup.

Bhaka wrote:

jlccaz wrote:Like Deanna

She found no one on her season

She was Too bossy for the guys she'd want for herself.  Remember that time she went off on them at some cookout?

I remember that scene with Deanna, and she's the first person I thought of while watching Andi tonight.