*No Spoilers* The Bachelor Episode 9 FD Discussions

just need to throw my curio again, since im dying to know..  

Did they or didn`t they show us the segment of Nikki`s ugly cry at F3 RC??....
i am sure i just saw a calm-collected Nikki at F3 RC getting the first rose   .
what am i missing??...

TIA!! :anyone?:    

murasaki1393 wrote:just need to throw my curio again, since im dying to know..  

Did they or didn`t they show us the segment of Nikki`s ugly cry at F3 RC??....
i am sure i just saw a calm-collected Nikki at F3 RC getting the first rose   .
what am i missing??...

TIA!! :anyone?:    

No, they didn't show it.

nd4reality wrote:JP was right when he said that Andi should have spoken up during the FD instead of making such a big deal of it after.

Total producer setup.

Andi vs. Juan = AshLee vs. Sean at Women Tell Nothing

quietpal wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:just need to throw my curio again, since im dying to know..  

Did they or didn`t they show us the segment of Nikki`s ugly cry at F3 RC??....
i am sure i just saw a calm-collected Nikki at F3 RC getting the first rose   .
what am i missing??...

TIA!! :anyone?:    

No, they didn't show it.

thanks quietpal.....guess they just purposely have been messing around with the crying preview, huh??   

perhaps the run down was JPab need to calm/talk to her in private before starting the RC...  

nd4reality wrote:JP was right when he said that Andi should have spoken up during the FD instead of making such a big deal of it after.

Total producer setup.

Oh and the promo so indicated that no one will be picked and he walks alone! They are so good at what they do.

Totally agree and said the same thing in the spoiler thread a little while ago. While I have liked Andi the best of all of the contestants this season, I clearly don't think she practiced what she was preaching to him. She wanted him to open up and be more emotional and yet apparently she remained very closed about how she was feeling during the overnight.

As I also said over in the other thread, I think Andi does have a valid point in that JuanPa seems to struggle with acknowledging feelings and instead tries to stomp the feelings out since it obvious that it hurts him to think he has upset someone. He sure didn't take kindly to Andi putting that word default in his mouth - wonder what the truth is about that.

And, in my opinion, the producers have totally thrown him under the bus.

docnash14 wrote:

nd4reality wrote:JP was right when he said that Andi should have spoken up during the FD instead of making such a big deal of it after.

Total producer setup.

Oh and the promo so indicated that no one will be picked and he walks alone! They are so good at what they do.

Totally agree and said the same thing in the spoiler thread a little while ago.  While I have liked Andi the best of all of the contestants this season, I clearly don't think she practiced what she was preaching to him.  She wanted him to open up and be more emotional and yet apparently she remained very closed about how she was feeling during the overnight.  

As I also said over in the other thread, I think Andi does have a valid point in that JuanPa seems to struggle with acknowledging feelings and instead tries to stomp the feelings out since it obvious that it hurts him to think he has upset someone.  He sure didn't take kindly to Andi putting that word default in his mouth - wonder what the truth is about that.

And, in my opinion, the producers have totally thrown him under the bus.  

Totally agree with the bolded. My guess is they back the bus up over him again at WTA.

Harrison was noticeably irritated during that chat. They sic'd Andi on him to see if a genuine deeper emotional side could be pulled out, even anger. He avoids conflict, big time. Hard quality in a spouse. Andi hit right on it. He won't engage.

I actually think it was a case of not understanding each other. To JP he was being nice when he said "it's okay" - to Andi it was him disregarding her feelings. She was correct that he was being totally insensitive when telling her about Clare's overnight date and that Andi barely made it but JP clearly didn't see it as a big deal. We have seen him trying to quiet women when they're upset so she may have tried to voice concerns but let him shush her.  I could see her laying there thinking about it and getting more worked up the more she thought. You know the producers would want her to wait to talk to him about it.

I don't assume JP was like that with Nikki. I don't think he was really into Andi like he is her.

Andi basically told him she was not into him and he told her that's ok, I accept that. Why wasn't that the end of it? Does she think he is supposed to talk her out of her feelings? I don't think she was being honest there. If she genuinely didn't think it was a fit why not just accept the way he choose to handle her rejection? I don't disagree with some of the things she was saying about him, but you don't normally start tearing someone apart that you are breaking up with.

That whole argument was about her figuring out that she was not the F1 and was along for the ride IMO. Perhaps JP didn't hide it as well as some of the other past bachelors, but I'm sure it happens every season. This is what they sign up for and an unfortunate part of the show. It's Ok for her to be mad that he used the word default or spoke about Clare, but mainly she seemed to want him to care that she was leaving. What's he supposed to do? Pretend some more? She was mad he was pretending than mad he wasn't pretending.  

livlafluv1 wrote:Foreshadowing- JP walking alone on the beach, crab going back into it's hole?

Maybe a turtle going back into it's shell would have been too obvious?

livlafluv1 wrote:Foreshadowing- JP walking alone on the beach, crab going back into it's hole?

Yep, yep, yep  

grace8136 wrote:Andi basically told him she was not into him and he told her that's ok, I accept that. Why wasn't that the end of it? Does she think he is supposed to talk her out of her feelings? I don't think she was being honest there. If she genuinely didn't think it was a fit why not just accept the way he choose to handle her rejection? I don't disagree with some of the things she was saying about him, but you don't normally start tearing someone apart that you are breaking up with.

That whole argument was about her figuring out that she was not the F1 and was along for the ride IMO. Perhaps JP didn't hide it as well as some of the other past bachelors, but I'm sure it happens every season. This is what they sign up for and an unfortunate part of the show. It's Ok for her to be mad that he used the word default or spoke about Clare, but mainly she seemed to want him to care that she was leaving. What's he supposed to do? Pretend some more? She was mad he was pretending than mad he wasn't pretending.  

as ive read somewhere, and also pointed out by nd..it was a total producer set up. They gearing up much-needed buzz for her gig and need peeps to be invested in her (and her journey to find wuv.LOL). Hence, tuning in her season up next. Its too funny for me, that Andi, as upset/mad as she is `now`, will be jumping right back into Fleission bubble soon enough.