*No Spoilers* The Bachelor Episode 9 FD Discussions

iamreal2u wrote:Well I must say that when clare declare her love for him in the video JuanP had some serious tears, and of the two remaining only Clare has a song.  Umm.

Still love the relationship with Nikki better because they actually have conversations and  not confrontations.  Nikki does ask questions for clarity.  

Tears of love or...tears because he knew he will cause her pain ?  He was often teary at the RC when letting the girls go ...

sde1041 wrote:

iamreal2u wrote:Well I must say that when clare declare her love for him in the video JuanP had some serious tears, and of the two remaining only Clare has a song.  Umm.

Still love the relationship with Nikki better because they actually have conversations and  not confrontations.  Nikki does ask questions for clarity.  

Tears of love or...tears because he knew he will cause her pain ?  He was often teary at the RC when letting the girls go ...

Plus they switch the reactions around. We can't be sure which video he was having that reaction over.

JBF wrote:

grace8136 wrote:Andi basically told him she was not into him and he told her that's ok, I accept that. Why wasn't that the end of it? Does she think he is supposed to talk her out of her feelings? I don't think she was being honest there. If she genuinely didn't think it was a fit why not just accept the way he choose to handle her rejection? I don't disagree with some of the things she was saying about him, but you don't normally start tearing someone apart that you are breaking up with.

This is exactly where I lost her argument. Yes, Juan is using faulty English and, no, it isn't just a language barrier since even Clare was struggling his "it is OK" repetition in Vietnam. However, was Andi expecting him to be blubbering to her that he was "saving my heart for you"? Maybe she expected the full Antigua Boo-Hoo out of him like Brooks received.

murasaki1393 wrote:as ive read somewhere, and also pointed out by nd..it was a total producer set up. They gearing up much-needed buzz for her gig and need peeps to be invested in her (and her journey to find wuv.LOL).  Hence, tuning in her season up next.  Its too funny for me, that Andi, as upset/mad as she is `now`, will be jumping right back into Fleission bubble soon enough.

Does anybody here honestly think there will be a long line of men eager to woo Andi the Bachelorette? Maybe before she attempted to castrate Juan, but she was a little TOO forceful as a prosecutor tonight. Also these guys have to get past Daddy Hy too, who has ZERO confidence in this silly show.

THIS best described what i was referring to in the bolded : (from the Puppet Master himself)

Votes are being tallied... Andi or JP???

— Mike Fleiss (@fleissmeister) [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

to me, not only MF eagerly creating buzz for her next gig, it is actually aim for spicing up WTA as well. TPTB was so meany setting up such confrontation, IMO. Viewers would have to get to side with either Andi or JP in that case. (well, based on socmed feeds, its safe to say he is a big loser in this silly, unreal Mars vs Venus game). I totally can see them throwing him under the bus, while Andi is reaping all of the juicy sweet advantage to begin her journey with. Poor JPab....He didnt exactly know what he was getting into   This is one moment when he realized that :

I would LOVED to please you but I'm not the EDITOR... RT [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Talk more.kiss less.. get to know the women.

— Juan Pablo Galavis (@JuanPaGalavis) [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

and one of his rant in TW was nonetheless : they have been chasing me so hard to take the gig initially, but now they turn their back on me (paraphrasing).   .

jlccaz wrote:Like Deanna

She found no one on her season

She was Too bossy for the guys she'd want for herself.  Remember that time she went off on them at some cookout?

I remember that scene with Deanna, and she's the first person I thought of while watching Andi tonight.

murasaki1393 wrote:

JBF wrote:

grace8136 wrote:Andi basically told him she was not into him and he told her that's ok, I accept that. Why wasn't that the end of it? Does she think he is supposed to talk her out of her feelings? I don't think she was being honest there. If she genuinely didn't think it was a fit why not just accept the way he choose to handle her rejection? I don't disagree with some of the things she was saying about him, but you don't normally start tearing someone apart that you are breaking up with.

This is exactly where I lost her argument. Yes, Juan is using faulty English and, no, it isn't just a language barrier since even Clare was struggling his "it is OK" repetition in Vietnam. However, was Andi expecting him to be blubbering to her that he was "saving my heart for you"? Maybe she expected the full Antigua Boo-Hoo out of him like Brooks received.

murasaki1393 wrote:as ive read somewhere, and also pointed out by nd..it was a total producer set up. They gearing up much-needed buzz for her gig and need peeps to be invested in her (and her journey to find wuv.LOL).  Hence, tuning in her season up next.  Its too funny for me, that Andi, as upset/mad as she is `now`, will be jumping right back into Fleission bubble soon enough.

Does anybody here honestly think there will be a long line of men eager to woo Andi the Bachelorette? Maybe before she attempted to castrate Juan, but she was a little TOO forceful as a prosecutor tonight. Also these guys have to get past Daddy Hy too, who has ZERO confidence in this silly show.

THIS best described what i was referring to in the bolded : (from the Puppet Master himself)

Votes are being tallied... Andi or JP???

— Mike Fleiss (@fleissmeister) [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

to me, not only MF eagerly creating buzz for her next gig, it is actually aim for spicing up WTA as well. TPTB was so meany setting up such confrontation, IMO. Viewers would have to get to side with either Andi or JP in that case. (well, based on socmed feeds, its safe to say he is a big loser in this silly, unreal Mars vs Venus game). I totally can see them throwing him under the bus, while Andi is reaping all of the juicy sweet advantage to begin her journey with. Poor JPab....He didnt exactly know what he was getting into   This is one moment when he realized that :

I would LOVED to please you but I'm not the EDITOR... RT [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Talk more.kiss less.. get to know the women.

— Juan Pablo Galavis (@JuanPaGalavis) [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

and one of his rant in TW was nonetheless : they have been chasing me so hard to take the gig initially, but now they turn their back on me (paraphrasing).   .

I wish I were on twitter, I would have a few choice words for the puppet master; and certainly let him know that my choice is not the annoying Andi.

Millsy is re-tweeting some of the ugly tweets about JuanPa

Bet2Win wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

JBF wrote:

grace8136 wrote:Andi basically told him she was not into him and he told her that's ok, I accept that. Why wasn't that the end of it? Does she think he is supposed to talk her out of her feelings? I don't think she was being honest there. If she genuinely didn't think it was a fit why not just accept the way he choose to handle her rejection? I don't disagree with some of the things she was saying about him, but you don't normally start tearing someone apart that you are breaking up with.

This is exactly where I lost her argument. Yes, Juan is using faulty English and, no, it isn't just a language barrier since even Clare was struggling his "it is OK" repetition in Vietnam. However, was Andi expecting him to be blubbering to her that he was "saving my heart for you"? Maybe she expected the full Antigua Boo-Hoo out of him like Brooks received.

murasaki1393 wrote:as ive read somewhere, and also pointed out by nd..it was a total producer set up. They gearing up much-needed buzz for her gig and need peeps to be invested in her (and her journey to find wuv.LOL).  Hence, tuning in her season up next.  Its too funny for me, that Andi, as upset/mad as she is `now`, will be jumping right back into Fleission bubble soon enough.

Does anybody here honestly think there will be a long line of men eager to woo Andi the Bachelorette? Maybe before she attempted to castrate Juan, but she was a little TOO forceful as a prosecutor tonight. Also these guys have to get past Daddy Hy too, who has ZERO confidence in this silly show.

THIS best described what i was referring to in the bolded : (from the Puppet Master himself)

Votes are being tallied... Andi or JP???

— Mike Fleiss (@fleissmeister) [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

to me, not only MF eagerly creating buzz for her next gig, it is actually aim for spicing up WTA as well. TPTB was so meany setting up such confrontation, IMO. Viewers would have to get to side with either Andi or JP in that case. (well, based on socmed feeds, its safe to say he is a big loser in this silly, unreal Mars vs Venus game). I totally can see them throwing him under the bus, while Andi is reaping all of the juicy sweet advantage to begin her journey with. Poor JPab....He didnt exactly know what he was getting into   This is one moment when he realized that :

I would LOVED to please you but I'm not the EDITOR... RT [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Talk more.kiss less.. get to know the women.

— Juan Pablo Galavis (@JuanPaGalavis) [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

and one of his rant in TW was nonetheless : they have been chasing me so hard to take the gig initially, but now they turn their back on me (paraphrasing).   .

I wish I were on twitter, I would have a few choice words for the puppet master; and certainly let him know that my choice is not the annoying Andi.

Andi is the only viable one. In other words, she is actually their `default`. Too funny that she was    at JPab being called the D word, but now she is using it as her middle name  :P :P 

Bhaka wrote:

jlccaz wrote:Like Deanna

She found no one on her season

She was Too bossy for the guys she'd want for herself.  Remember that time she went off on them at some cookout?

I remember that scene with Deanna, and she's the first person I thought of while watching Andi tonight.

  


That whole scene with Andi was funny to me. At one point she seemed to be blaming JaunP for the fact that she was on the show for so long and that he wasted her time.
Did she not hear CH in episode 2 when he told the girls that if they were not feeling it they should not accept the roses ? She came off argumentative but lying while doing it. I guess lying is not the correct word here but she was falsely accusing him of stuff when many of the issues were really her own.
She certainly got me irritated last night.

30 minutes of Andi and Juan Pablo saying goodbye was just wasted time IMO. I know last year it took Brooks and Des a long time to say goodbye but at least that felt real. Last nights goodbye just felt so scripted. Definitely felt like Andi's ette audition.

mrsbatonmom wrote:30 minutes of Andi and Juan Pablo saying goodbye was just wasted time IMO.  I know last year it took Brooks and Des a long time to say goodbye but at least that felt real.  Last nights goodbye just felt so scripted.  Definitely felt like Andi's ette audition.  

Agree.

tbtb thrive on recruiting these insecure women as their leads and now with Andi they have slightly mean thrown into the mix. As far as her fighting spirit, she mirrors

It's funny that so many here are anti-Andi from last night but she's getting a lot of support elsewhere. I like her a lot and loved seeing her dish it out. I'm just surprised we've never seen this before. I guess everyone just goes along and cries in the limo. I like that she decided he wasn't for her and just didn't wait for him to decide. I like assertive women. I remember back to Bob's season when Kelly Jo was p/o with him when she found out she wasn't f1. I so wanted her to push him in the pool.   

Yes there's producers manipulation. Once they knew how she was feeling (probably in the morning PI), they'd want to get it on camera. They very likely also have worked her up even more by the time she saw JP again. I believe the reason Andi didn't stop when she told him she didn't feel he was right for her was that she didn't think he got what she felt he'd done wrong. Maybe it's good for him to know that so he can be more careful with the other women. I do think the producers are allowing him to look bad but there's very little drama this season so you know they're going to use it.

I think Andi's going to be a good lead and don't think she'll just be bossy. DeAnna's problem wasn't so much that she was bossy but was so single minded on getting a proposal that she scared away the one guy she wanted. I like her but she drove me a little crazy that it was all she talked about.

albean99 wrote:It's funny that so many here are anti-Andi from last night but she's getting a lot of support elsewhere. I like her a lot and loved seeing her dish it out. I'm just surprised we've never seen this before. I guess everyone just goes along and cries in the limo. I like that she decided he wasn't for her and just didn't wait for him to decide. I like assertive women. I remember back to Bob's season when Kelly Jo was p/o with him when she found out she wasn't f1. I so wanted her to push him in the pool.   

Yes there's producers manipulation. Once they knew how she was feeling (probably in the morning PI), they'd want to get it on camera. They very likely also have worked her up even more by the time she saw JP again. I believe the reason Andi didn't stop when she told him she didn't feel he was right for her was that she didn't think he got what she felt he'd done wrong. Maybe it's good for him to know that so he can be more careful with the other women. I do think the producers are allowing him to look bad but there's very little drama this season so you know they're going to use it.

I think Andi's going to be a good lead and don't think she'll just be bossy. DeAnna's problem wasn't so much that she was bossy but was so single minded on getting a proposal that she scared away the one guy she wanted. I like her but she drove me a little crazy that it was all she talked about.

There is no doubt about producer manipulation. And, I am all for assertive women and for that I am glad Andi attempted to speak up for herself. However, there is a distinct line between between assertiveness and aggressiveness and, in my opinion, Andi crossed it by not being able to take responsibility for her part (not speaking up during the date and for that matter staying all night if she was that miserable - as far as I know, they are not locked in there together until morning) and by taking JuanPa's inventory.