Episode 9 -- Fantasy Dates -- airs TUESDAY February 25

pbmax wrote:I highly doubt he had sex.  He's having a hard time kissing the women including Clare, yes even Clare. These are my thoughts. I've watch this show since bachelor 2 and learning more each season. CH said Juan Pablo is having a hard time letting go and giving into the process. Yes he is because he don't want to kiss all these women but they are pushing him to. He's giving excuses, like Camila and even limiting them (told Andi dos) just flat out denying others. He was prompt to go for a midnight swim but to redeem he said to Clare it was a mistake. He has decided who he want.

Each season you get hot chemistry with your F3, F2 cause they are pushing for it, not necessarily because the lead is so into them. The only time you get hot chemistry with the F1 is when they are not the one in the end. Like Graham, Arie and Brooks. I know many will disagree with me but I'm watching (paying close attention) not just seeing.

docnash14 wrote:

pbmax wrote:I highly doubt he had sex.  He's having a hard time kissing the women including Clare, yes even Clare. These are my thoughts. I've watch this show since bachelor 2 and learning more each season. CH said Juan Pablo is having a hard time letting go and giving into the process. Yes he is because he don't want to kiss all these women but they are pushing him to. He's giving excuses, like Camila and even limiting them (told Andi dos) just flat out denying others. He was prompt to go for a midnight swim but to redeem he said to Clare it was a mistake. He has decided who he want.

Each season you get hot chemistry with your F3, F2 cause they are pushing for it, not necessarily because the lead is so into them. The only time you get hot chemistry with the F1 is when they are not the one in the end. Like Graham, Arie and Brooks. I know many will disagree with me but I'm watching (paying close attention) not just seeing.

The tally I heard is that he kissed (on the lips) a total of six women - far less than many of the other bachelors

umngirl wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

pbmax wrote:I highly doubt he had sex.  He's having a hard time kissing the women including Clare, yes even Clare. These are my thoughts. I've watch this show since bachelor 2 and learning more each season. CH said Juan Pablo is having a hard time letting go and giving into the process. Yes he is because he don't want to kiss all these women but they are pushing him to. He's giving excuses, like Camila and even limiting them (told Andi dos) just flat out denying others. He was prompt to go for a midnight swim but to redeem he said to Clare it was a mistake. He has decided who he want.

Each season you get hot chemistry with your F3, F2 cause they are pushing for it, not necessarily because the lead is so into them. The only time you get hot chemistry with the F1 is when they are not the one in the end. Like Graham, Arie and Brooks. I know many will disagree with me but I'm watching (paying close attention) not just seeing.

The tally I heard is that he kissed (on the lips) a total of six women - far less than many of the other bachelors

7 actually. The top 6 plus Cassandra. We may not have kissed a lot of different girls, but it seems all he does is kiss some of them. [/quote]

umngirl wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

pbmax wrote:I highly doubt he had sex.  He's having a hard time kissing the women including Clare, yes even Clare. These are my thoughts. I've watch this show since bachelor 2 and learning more each season. CH said Juan Pablo is having a hard time letting go and giving into the process. Yes he is because he don't want to kiss all these women but they are pushing him to. He's giving excuses, like Camila and even limiting them (told Andi dos) just flat out denying others. He was prompt to go for a midnight swim but to redeem he said to Clare it was a mistake. He has decided who he want.

Each season you get hot chemistry with your F3, F2 cause they are pushing for it, not necessarily because the lead is so into them. The only time you get hot chemistry with the F1 is when they are not the one in the end. Like Graham, Arie and Brooks. I know many will disagree with me but I'm watching (paying close attention) not just seeing.

The tally I heard is that he kissed (on the lips) a total of six women - far less than many of the other bachelors

7 actually. The top 6 plus Cassandra. We may not have kissed a lot of different girls, but it seems all he does is kiss some of them.

docnash14 wrote:

umngirl wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

pbmax wrote:I highly doubt he had sex.  He's having a hard time kissing the women including Clare, yes even Clare. These are my thoughts. I've watch this show since bachelor 2 and learning more each season. CH said Juan Pablo is having a hard time letting go and giving into the process. Yes he is because he don't want to kiss all these women but they are pushing him to. He's giving excuses, like Camila and even limiting them (told Andi dos) just flat out denying others. He was prompt to go for a midnight swim but to redeem he said to Clare it was a mistake. He has decided who he want.

Each season you get hot chemistry with your F3, F2 cause they are pushing for it, not necessarily because the lead is so into them. The only time you get hot chemistry with the F1 is when they are not the one in the end. Like Graham, Arie and Brooks. I know many will disagree with me but I'm watching (paying close attention) not just seeing.

The tally I heard is that he kissed (on the lips) a total of six women - far less than many of the other bachelors

7 actually. The top 6 plus Cassandra. We may not have kissed a lot of different girls, but it seems all he does is kiss some of them.

Or that is what the cameras are choosing to show

umngirl wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

umngirl wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

pbmax wrote:I highly doubt he had sex.  He's having a hard time kissing the women including Clare, yes even Clare. These are my thoughts. I've watch this show since bachelor 2 and learning more each season. CH said Juan Pablo is having a hard time letting go and giving into the process. Yes he is because he don't want to kiss all these women but they are pushing him to. He's giving excuses, like Camila and even limiting them (told Andi dos) just flat out denying others. He was prompt to go for a midnight swim but to redeem he said to Clare it was a mistake. He has decided who he want.

Each season you get hot chemistry with your F3, F2 cause they are pushing for it, not necessarily because the lead is so into them. The only time you get hot chemistry with the F1 is when they are not the one in the end. Like Graham, Arie and Brooks. I know many will disagree with me but I'm watching (paying close attention) not just seeing.

The tally I heard is that he kissed (on the lips) a total of six women - far less than many of the other bachelors

7 actually. The top 6 plus Cassandra. We may not have kissed a lot of different girls, but it seems all he does is kiss some of them.

Or that is what the cameras are choosing to show

Well of course that's all they are choosing to show us. Still doesn't change the fact that he seemed to struggle with conversations with some of them so they resort to kissing. He's not the only one who has had to take that strategy either.

docnash14 wrote:

umngirl wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

umngirl wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

pbmax wrote:I highly doubt he had sex.  He's having a hard time kissing the women including Clare, yes even Clare. These are my thoughts. I've watch this show since bachelor 2 and learning more each season. CH said Juan Pablo is having a hard time letting go and giving into the process. Yes he is because he don't want to kiss all these women but they are pushing him to. He's giving excuses, like Camila and even limiting them (told Andi dos) just flat out denying others. He was prompt to go for a midnight swim but to redeem he said to Clare it was a mistake. He has decided who he want.

Each season you get hot chemistry with your F3, F2 cause they are pushing for it, not necessarily because the lead is so into them. The only time you get hot chemistry with the F1 is when they are not the one in the end. Like Graham, Arie and Brooks. I know many will disagree with me but I'm watching (paying close attention) not just seeing.

The tally I heard is that he kissed (on the lips) a total of six women - far less than many of the other bachelors

7 actually. The top 6 plus Cassandra. We may not have kissed a lot of different girls, but it seems all he does is kiss some of them.

Or that is what the cameras are choosing to show

Well of course that's all they are choosing to show us. Still doesn't change the fact that he seemed to struggle with conversations with some of them so they resort to kissing. He's not the only one who has had to take that strategy either.

I think we see JuanPa differently.  I don't see him as being uncomfortable socially/struggling with conversations; in fact, I think he has an ease about him - the exception to the social discomfort for me would be that interaction with Cassandra.  I do think he is a very physical person (not unlike many in his culture) such that physical touch is likely his love language so that it's not surprising that he would let his touch do his talking.  Conversely, as I have mentioned previously, I see him as a good listener other than when he is trying to talk the women out of their sad/upset feelings (since it's so apparent how he loathes hurting anyone's feelings).

pbmax wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

pbmax wrote:I highly doubt he had sex.  He's having a hard time kissing the women including Clare, yes even Clare. These are my thoughts. I've watch this show since bachelor 2 and learning more each season. CH said Juan Pablo is having a hard time letting go and giving into the process. Yes he is because he don't want to kiss all these women but they are pushing him to. He's giving excuses, like Camila and even limiting them (told Andi dos) just flat out denying others. He was prompt to go for a midnight swim but to redeem he said to Clare it was a mistake. He has decided who he want.

Each season you get hot chemistry with your F3, F2 cause they are pushing for it, not necessarily because the lead is so into them. The only time you get hot chemistry with the F1 is when they are not the one in the end. Like Graham, Arie and Brooks. I know many will disagree with me but I'm watching (paying close attention) not just seeing.

What about the actual F1's and the heat with them like Vienna and Courtney.  They were F1's and lots of chemistry there.  Not to mention with Chris from Des's season. OR what about Roberto from Ali's season.  Because there was so much heat and chemistry there, everyone said that there is no way he could be F1. Not all F2's F3's have the majority of the heat/chemistry.  There are a lot of F1's too

Well I didn't see any hot chemistry with Vienna and the only hot thing with Courtney was the skinny dipping. Many was saying it was hot with Chris L. My point is many years it's been said we want them to show us the connection (love story) with the F1 but they are not going to do that.

stuckinsc wrote:I think the show kind of rebooted with DeAnna's season, so I will just go back that far.  DeAnna wanted Graham, I don't think there was any other deep connection on her season.  Jesse might have been the physical.

Jason, I didn't watch until the end, but Melissa seemed physical and Molly was definitely more emotional.

Jillian went with her physical for F1 as I found Reid to be her emotional connection.

Jake, I am not sure he likes women, so yeah, who knows.  

Ali has said it was Frank who really would be her F1, so Roberto was most likely the physical F2.

Brad was pretty much all in for Emily from day one, I thought that Ashley was actually his F2 if their FD hadn't gone off the rails so badly.  Chantal was the physical F2/3.

Ashley for me from the episode 3 date was JP to me.  So there was no real difference JP was both physical and emotional.

Ben again it was all Courtney, so it again no emotional or physical just her and the filler.

Emily is one where I think her emotions for Jef won out over the physical Arie.

Sean was dazzled by Tierra, and Cat was so hidden it is hard to call others.  AshLee or Des could have been emotional at first.  

Des was emotional with Chris and physical with Brooks, and since I believe she would have chosen Brooks if he hadn't left.  In the long run it was best that she end up with Chris.

This season I see Clare as the physical and Nikki as emotional and Sharleen as what would have been impossible to get F1.

I really don't care who JPG choses, I like Nikki as a person and would smack Clare upside the head, but if JPG chooses Clare, it won't matter to me.