Episode 9 -- Fantasy Dates -- airs TUESDAY February 25

Isn't the issue of the going to have been sent home in reference to Miami when Sharleen self-eliminating spared Juan Pablo from having to eliminate a second person?

He said at least once that episode she'd have been going home with him - or rather he with her. He was clearly very, very into Sharleen, so that'd make sense.

And there was no doubt Nikki was also getting a HTD, especially after how well their time together in Miami seemed to go (along with how into her he also seemed to be).

He's seemed physically quite drawn to Clare, so it'd not have been surprised to have her continue on to at least the HTDs, if for no other reason than to get more make out time (LOL)

Which - by my perspective - would have made the 4th spot down to Andi and Renee. And I think that either could have been one he planned on eliminating for several reasons.

Sharleen just ended up making him not have to make that decision since she took herself out, letting him only make the one decision I think that wasn't really even a toss up that 6 to 4 cut going into HTDs and (the no brainer) elimination of Chelsie.

While I don't like Juan Pablo at all, I don't think he's malicious. But I do think he isn't perhaps the sharpest knife in the drawer (along with being driven by the physical instead of anything else, no matter what he says) and things do get lost in translation (both ways) more than TPTB really planned.

So I could see him inadvertently telling a girl she wasn't going to be there, meaning it as a compliment (like oh, I am so glad you are, this extra time has made me realize you're great - or whatever) but him not realizing how it'd come across or something.

Or maybe I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt. Ha ha!

I do think it's in reference to that week, though.

I don't think "oceangate" is all that big of a deal. I doubt either Andi or Nikki would be devastated by it and at most be annoyed.

IA that CH was probably talking about Andi leaving at f3 RC.

I'll be interested to see what Andi was talking about in the latest promo.

julychild wrote:I saw a new promo on Shark Tank, last night. It seems Andi left just before the RC, because JP is shown standing with a rose in his hand wearing the same yellow shirt he had on in the other scene of himself and Andi having a talk. Also Andi did a PI saying something close to "... it was a disaster...he(it) was so inappropriate, I wanted to slap him"

If that is the gist of what Andi said, then this makes me feel like there was nothing sexual that happened between JuanP and Andi in the Fantasy Suite. I don't know what happened, but I don't think that they "did the horizontal mambo". I certainly hope not.

eirekay wrote:

Mommnof1 wrote:I can't see him telling the others about oceangate...at least on camera.
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I suspect that the Chris Harrison line "Juan Pablo has something to tell you..." is being shown with the wrong RC.  They are showing the HTD RC but I think it belongs to the FD RC and the "Obviously something has happened..." comment refers to why Andi isn't there.  I don't think oceangate gets revealed.

Does it need to be revealed if it is Clare that JP picks anyways??

I highly doubt he had sex. He's having a hard time kissing the women including Clare, yes even Clare. These are my thoughts. I've watch this show since bachelor 2 and learning more each season. CH said Juan Pablo is having a hard time letting go and giving into the process. Yes he is because he don't want to kiss all these women but they are pushing him to. He's giving excuses, like Camila and even limiting them (told Andi dos) just flat out denying others. He was prompt to go for a midnight swim but to redeem he said to Clare it was a mistake. He has decided who he want.

Each season you get hot chemistry with your F3, F2 cause they are pushing for it, not necessarily because the lead is so into them. The only time you get hot chemistry with the F1 is when they are not the one in the end. Like Graham, Arie and Brooks. I know many will disagree with me but I'm watching (paying close attention) not just seeing.

pbmax wrote:I highly doubt he had sex.  He's having a hard time kissing the women including Clare, yes even Clare. These are my thoughts. I've watch this show since bachelor 2 and learning more each season. CH said Juan Pablo is having a hard time letting go and giving into the process. Yes he is because he don't want to kiss all these women but they are pushing him to. He's giving excuses, like Camila and even limiting them (told Andi dos) just flat out denying others. He was prompt to go for a midnight swim but to redeem he said to Clare it was a mistake. He has decided who he want.

Each season you get hot chemistry with your F3, F2 cause they are pushing for it, not necessarily because the lead is so into them. The only time you get hot chemistry with the F1 is when they are not the one in the end. Like Graham, Arie and Brooks. I know many will disagree with me but I'm watching (paying close attention) not just seeing.

  My thoughts exactly. I really think that he had decided on his F1 early on and TPTB had to manufacture drama. I also think that Sharleen and Andi both saw the stronger connection he seemed to with other girls and knew they didn't have that strong of feelings for Juan Pablo.

Honestly, I have no problem believing he had sex with all three of the girls. But perhaps I'm the only one who thinks that. Just like I have no problem believing each girl was willing to sleep with him.

I definitely think he had sex with at least one, but I don't know about all 3.

bleuberry wrote:I definitely think he had sex with at least one, but I don't know about all 3.

Just curious, why do you say that you definitely think he had sex with at least one? Is there something specific that makes you think that or just a feeling by the edit or what? I really, truly want to know - not being sarcastic or smart or anything.

George1218 wrote:

bleuberry wrote:I definitely think he had sex with at least one, but I don't know about all 3.

Just curious, why do you say that you definitely think he had sex with at least one?  Is there something specific that makes you think that or just a feeling by the edit or what?  I really, truly want to know - not being sarcastic or smart or anything.

I think he would sleep with his intended f1. I just don't think he's slimy enough to know he's picking Nikki, and then sleep with her bestie (he had to have known) and emotionally unstable Clare.

pbmax wrote:I highly doubt he had sex.  He's having a hard time kissing the women including Clare, yes even Clare. These are my thoughts. I've watch this show since bachelor 2 and learning more each season. CH said Juan Pablo is having a hard time letting go and giving into the process. Yes he is because he don't want to kiss all these women but they are pushing him to. He's giving excuses, like Camila and even limiting them (told Andi dos) just flat out denying others. He was prompt to go for a midnight swim but to redeem he said to Clare it was a mistake. He has decided who he want.

Each season you get hot chemistry with your F3, F2 cause they are pushing for it, not necessarily because the lead is so into them. The only time you get hot chemistry with the F1 is when they are not the one in the end. Like Graham, Arie and Brooks. I know many will disagree with me but I'm watching (paying close attention) not just seeing.

What about the actual F1's and the heat with them like Vienna and Courtney. They were F1's and lots of chemistry there. Not to mention with Chris from Des's season. OR what about Roberto from Ali's season. Because there was so much heat and chemistry there, everyone said that there is no way he could be F1. Not all F2's F3's have the majority of the heat/chemistry. There are a lot of F1's too

Aunties_Love wrote:

pbmax wrote:I highly doubt he had sex.  He's having a hard time kissing the women including Clare, yes even Clare. These are my thoughts. I've watch this show since bachelor 2 and learning more each season. CH said Juan Pablo is having a hard time letting go and giving into the process. Yes he is because he don't want to kiss all these women but they are pushing him to. He's giving excuses, like Camila and even limiting them (told Andi dos) just flat out denying others. He was prompt to go for a midnight swim but to redeem he said to Clare it was a mistake. He has decided who he want.

Each season you get hot chemistry with your F3, F2 cause they are pushing for it, not necessarily because the lead is so into them. The only time you get hot chemistry with the F1 is when they are not the one in the end. Like Graham, Arie and Brooks. I know many will disagree with me but I'm watching (paying close attention) not just seeing.

What about the actual F1's and the heat with them like Vienna and Courtney. They were F1's and lots of chemistry there. Not to mention with Chris from Des's season. OR what about Roberto from Ali's season. Because there was so much heat and chemistry there, everyone said that there is no way he could be F1. Not all F2's F3's have the majority of the heat/chemistry. There are a lot of F1's too

Well I didn't see any hot chemistry with Vienna and the only hot thing with Courtney was the skinny dipping. Many was saying it was hot with Chris L. My point is many years it's been said we want them to show us the connection (love story) with the F1 but they are not going to do that.