Episode 9 -- Fantasy Dates -- airs TUESDAY February 25

George1218 wrote:

nutty1 wrote:I don't think Andi was bad…..I got what she was saying. And she was frustrated he wasn't seeing it.

I understand her frustration and everything and she was right to leave if they didn't have that connection but the way she just kept going on and on and on really made her seem like a b#@&^! She was like a dog with a bone and wouldn't stop.

ITA, Andi would drive me nuts, just too much....was not crazy about her from the start anyway....I will watch her season, it will be interesting to see how she will manage being the primary!

nutty1 wrote:I don't think Andi was bad…..I got what she was saying. And she was frustrated he wasn't seeing it.

I agree about the source of her frustration, although I don't think Andi saw the role she played - as in not speaking up during the overnight date and sharing her frustrations then.

I think Andi was sincere and just very disappointed that he brought her when he clearly didn't have the same feelings for her. I could see her pushing aside doubts but when she had a whole night of it, it became obvious. It wasn't just talking about Clare & her overnight date (which is verboten) but also saying she was the default or barely made it there during the overnight. Those were boneheaded comments for sure. What hit home with me was when she said he didn't seem interested in asking about her or even listening to her stories. I get that he has to bring someone there that he doesn't necessarily have the same feelings for as the others but from their side they've given up a lot to be there. We don't usually hear it spelled out but Andi's a lawyer and it's 2nd nature to her. I think she was stewing about it while lying awake and probably should have talked to him then but we know they do PI's in the morning so she may not have had a chance. Once they heard what she was feeling they'd want it to be on camera.

I don't think JP's a bad guy at all. He could have handled it better but like I said last night, it was a mashup between Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, and the language barrier. For him "it's okay" was trying to make her feel better and for her it was him trying to push aside her feelings.

As always there's 2 sides to this plus there's the producers. I'm sure they made sure he didn't have a clue that there was a problem. Better for drama.

albean99 wrote:I think Andi was sincere and just very disappointed that he brought her when he clearly didn't have the same feelings for her. I could see her pushing aside doubts but when she had a whole night of it, it became obvious. It wasn't just talking about Clare & her overnight date (which is verboten) but also saying she was the default or barely made it there during the overnight. Those were boneheaded comments for sure. What hit home with me was when she said he didn't seem interested in asking about her or even listening to her stories. I get that he has to bring someone there that he doesn't necessarily have the same feelings for as the others but from their side they've given up a lot to be there. We don't usually hear it spelled out but Andi's a lawyer and it's 2nd nature to her. I think she was stewing about it while lying awake and probably should have talked to him then but we know they do PI's in the morning so she may not have had a chance. Once they heard what she was feeling they'd want it to be on camera.

I don't think JP's a bad guy at all. He could have handled it better but like I said last night, it was a mashup between Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, and the language barrier. For him "it's okay" was trying to make her feel better and for her it was him trying to push aside her feelings.

As always there's 2 sides to this plus there's the producers. I'm sure they made sure he didn't have a clue that there was a problem. Better for drama.

  

Albean, I agree. Giving her the benefit of the doubt, it could be that Andi left the fantasy suite thinking she would quietly leave, but the handlers saw an opportunity for drama and convinced her that jp needed to hear why she was leaving. For his own good, of course.

Rolly wrote:TPTB have totally thrown JP under the bus and I feel bad for him. Andi was so happy and so close to being in love....yah right! They then go on the overnights, she has this AWFUL experience and he thinks it was great. If if was so awful for her how could she leave him in the morning and not say anything??? If she is such a strong assertive woman she should have told him how she felt about the way she was being treated during the overnight. If she was so upset with him how could he not know? The whole film of Andi and her meeting with JP was totally orchestrated. The total change in her demeanor from the day before and the morning after is unbelievable. The truth is she and JP never really had real chemistry.

TPTB came to Andi and said, "you are F3, let's have some drama and you leave then we'll make you the 'ette...what do ya say?" Her exit was a total promo for the next season....not subtle at all. As time goes on I am liking Andi less and less.

ITA with you
I always thought she was ok...   
But I did not like her tonight and thought she came off very bad. Not so sure about her making a good bachorette now at all but, Lord knows I will be here watching.

albean99 wrote:I think Andi was sincere and just very disappointed that he brought her when he clearly didn't have the same feelings for her. I could see her pushing aside doubts but when she had a whole night of it, it became obvious. It wasn't just talking about Clare & her overnight date (which is verboten) but also saying she was the default or barely made it there during the overnight. Those were boneheaded comments for sure. What hit home with me was when she said he didn't seem interested in asking about her or even listening to her stories. I get that he has to bring someone there that he doesn't necessarily have the same feelings for as the others but from their side they've given up a lot to be there. We don't usually hear it spelled out but Andi's a lawyer and it's 2nd nature to her. I think she was stewing about it while lying awake and probably should have talked to him then but we know they do PI's in the morning so she may not have had a chance. Once they heard what she was feeling they'd want it to be on camera.

I don't think JP's a bad guy at all. He could have handled it better but like I said last night, it was a mashup between Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, and the language barrier. For him "it's okay" was trying to make her feel better and for her it was him trying to push aside her feelings.

As always there's 2 sides to this plus there's the producers. I'm sure they made sure he didn't have a clue that there was a problem. Better for drama.

Great post…I do agree with everything you said.

I thought the entire episode was so chopped up. Showing previews that were suppose to be last night never made it to air. I was bored with the long drawn out Andi show. For me it was just the producers trying to sell Andi as the next ette. I'm not buying or watching. So what if JP says ok alot. No different than others saying and or this and that. She knew there would be a language barrier and choose not to work around it. I am so-so tired of retreads. When in the heck will the show ever learn we are wanting new people. Only when the ratings dip so low that they are in line for cancellation.

I have no hopes for the end. And only hope that after the ending if he picks Nikki that they work through things and it does work out.

My view on meeting the parents. Nikki will definately have the advantage. I think since JP's parents already know her and know that she means enough to JP to bring her to the resital things are going to shift. They are going to through JP under the bus to Clare so then Clare has doubts about him. And that will make for an easier let down. JMO It won't be the first time parents gave less than a stellar report to through the person off.

But do we want new people? I don't. Some of our worst duds have been new (Lorenzo for example). They've never wanted to bring in a new woman and they never will imo. I think overall the Bachelorettes have been pretty good and I like going into it knowing them at least a little. The worst of the bunch were previous f1 - Jen and Emily - and I'm against ever doing that again.

Andi realized (post-Act of Love??) that he could not remotely be contemplating a post show relationship with her.  She acted like it was his personality defect, when in fact...The whole thing reminded me of my sophomore year roommate in college -- any many other girls in my sorority -- who woke up in the morning realizing that was a hook-up not the "beautiful first time experience with her new boyfriend."

They would either sulk and stalk, or pivot and attack the guy.  But in reality, all that happened was two adults consented to physical contact, and one had high expectations, and the other was just having some fun.  Ho Hum.

She made a "federal" case out of nothing on national TV, as an audition for her next job ... and as I always say, she is not a serious lawyer, or she'd be working as one, and that's something I feel super comfortable passing judgment on.

jlccaz wrote:Andi realized that (post-Act of Love??) that he could not remotely be contemplating a post show relationship with her.  She acted like it was his personality defect, when in fact

The whole thing reminded me of my sophomore year roommate in college -- any many other girls in my sorority -- who woke up in the morning realizing that was a hook-up not the "beautiful first time experience with her new boyfriend."

They would either sulk and stalk, or pivot and attack the guy.  But in reality, all that happened was two adults consented to physical contact, and one had high expectations, and the other was just having some fun.  Ho Hum.

She made a "federal" case out of nothing on national TV, as an audition for her next job ... and as I always say, she is not a serious lawyer, or she'd be working as one, and that's something I feel super comfortable passing judgment on.  

   And I have enjoyed watching Andi this season.....but that really came off to me as "I'm not going to walk off carrying the blame here so here you go JP its all yours."

I like Andi and think that she will make a good Bachelorette.  She has opinions and doesn't mind sharing them.  However, I think that the change in her from "glowing with the possibilities" as she went into the FS and then the aftermath are very telling.  I think she felt foolish for thinking he might be falling for her too feeling the same way and, when she realized her error, she acted in her own defense.  She asked herself "How do I move from making this terrible decision to accept the FS with someone who clearly doesn't love me?"  It was probably done with TPTB assistance and when you think about it, it was quite brilliant.  Instead of poor, foolish Andi, people are either applauding her or disliking her for being a "strong woman" and taking things into her own hands.  I think Andi would rather be thought of in that way than pitied for a fool.  Mission accomplished!