Episode 9 -- Fantasy Dates -- airs TUESDAY February 25

Bet2Win wrote:It's usually when one doesn't feel good about themselves that they belittle others.

JesseJames24 wrote:

bleuberry wrote:

relaxing wrote:The thing that has really turned me off Andi is the tweets making fun of JP's accent.  So classless rude and unneeded.  Sharleen found the only thing she liked about JP was the physical and that she wasn't interested otherwise, so she left.  But she left classy.  Sure maybe JP was insensitive to Andi's feelings, but take the high road.

Making fun of his accent as your parting shot on twitter is just low and in poor taste.  Many wonderful people aren't Americans with English as their first language!!  You knew he was from another country coming in.

Yes! In fact, I was coming here to post he very same thing. Very cringe worthy.

I couldn't agree more. The entire thing just felt so odd and fake to me. JP seemed very caught off guard and everything she said did not seem like it was coming from her. There is a reason she didn't confront him in the FS. She wanted the Bachelorette gig and I really feel this was all just a build up for that. She knew she was there "by default" and was getting ready to be let go so she made a story up of it to make him look like the bad guy. As you noticed she only talked about HER in the convo so who is self centered? All she wanted to do was argue and he was over it. I applaud him for sitting there and not going off or arguing back. I really feel JP wasn't feeling it with her and she did probably make it by "default". Honestly the F2 usually does too but they have 2 keep stringing them along because it is a show after all. They aren't going to let him send girls home early just because he knows who he really wants or there woulnd't be a show. At this point I honestly just feel sorry for JP. I feel he was played by TPTB and had no idea what he was getting into. They have basically turned their backs on him and made him look like this. I sincerely think he is a good guy with a language barrier and had no idea what he was doing or getting into. I think he is a strong and very honest man who says how he feels. Andi and the rest of the girls knew what they were getting into, they knew his English wasn't that good. If she didn't like it she should of never come on the show. I also think different cultures have different ways of dealing with things, showing feelings ect. so this is just him and he can't change that.
I think at this point the finale can't come soon enough, he is so ready to write this show off and get on with his life. Hate to say it but looks like next week isn't going to do him much good either....

Just my 2 cents on this !

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 :alltens: Could not agree more....      JP was clearly thrown under the bus it makes me sick. How do these people sleep at night?!? Oh I forgot,this is what they get paid to do.

albean99 wrote:I'm a little shocked by the strong feelings against Andi based on last night. I guess she'd get more respect if she'd kept quiet and just left but most of us have been watching this show for a long time. We know it's not always that easy but I'm not to going to argue the point anymore. Each to their own.

eirekay wrote:

BKay wrote:Even if he didn't use the word 'default," Andi knew he was saying she came there as his 3rd choice. Not a great way to feel in that situation.

And timing is everything - we don't know if they actually had sex, but if they did and this or the remark about his FS date with Clara was said afterwards, that would explain Andi's reaction.

Mimi27 wrote:The entire Andi show after the FD just seemed planned and fake. She went along with everything on the date, then made a one hundred eighty degree turn in the morning. It seemed obvious that she had been put up to it by tptb. After watching this show since the beginning, I'm aware that editing is everything. Tptb have decided to throw JP under the bus and make him look like a fool. He may not be a perfect man, but he doesn't deserve this. And Andi making fun of his accent is indeed classless. I have really liked Andi until last night. Now I know I won't watch her season. She should remember what goes around, comes around.

JesseJames24 wrote:

Mimi27 wrote:The entire Andi show after the FD just seemed planned and fake. She went along with everything on the date, then made a one hundred eighty degree turn in the morning. It seemed obvious that she had been put up to it by tptb. After watching this show since the beginning, I'm aware that editing is everything. Tptb have decided to throw JP under the bus and make him look like a fool. He may not be a perfect man, but he doesn't deserve this. And Andi making fun of his accent is indeed classless. I have really liked Andi until last night. Now I know I won't watch her season. She should remember what goes around, comes around.

Good post!! See ^^^ My thoughts exactly! It just doesn't seem right. It has nothing to do with Andi standing up for herself ect. It just simply doesn't seem right and very odd to me. She was completely fine during the date and then BOOM complete turn around, not to mention the excuses. The things she said in the ITM were not straight from her I can bet on that. Like comments about him wanting "besitos" all the time just like she is making fun of him saying "ezzz okay" It just seems like someone put her up to it. It even crossed my mind that ITM was taped later on by TPTB. There is def. WAY more to the story. JP basically got screwed and threw under the bus and it makes me sick. I mean I'd love to just give the guy a hug right now I feel so bad for him. I truly believe he is a good guy, he has yet to prove anything different to me. Thankfully he seems like a strong man and if him and Nikki are together I hope she can work through it all with him and stand by his side. This will be a true test to their relationship to say the least. I have no idea how her and Andi could be friends after this is all said and done by what Andi has said/done on show and post show but hey nothing ever amazes me!

USAGold wrote:

JesseJames24 wrote:

Mimi27 wrote:The entire Andi show after the FD just seemed planned and fake. She went along with everything on the date, then made a one hundred eighty degree turn in the morning. It seemed obvious that she had been put up to it by tptb. After watching this show since the beginning, I'm aware that editing is everything. Tptb have decided to throw JP under the bus and make him look like a fool. He may not be a perfect man, but he doesn't deserve this. And Andi making fun of his accent is indeed classless. I have really liked Andi until last night. Now I know I won't watch her season. She should remember what goes around, comes around.

Good post!! See ^^^ My thoughts exactly! It just doesn't seem right. It has nothing to do with Andi standing up for herself ect. It just simply doesn't seem right and very odd to me. She was completely fine during the date and then BOOM complete turn around, not to mention the excuses. The things she said in the ITM were not straight from her I can bet on that. Like comments about him wanting "besitos" all the time just like she is making fun of him saying "ezzz okay" It just seems like someone put her up to it. It even crossed my mind that ITM was taped later on by TPTB. There is def. WAY more to the story. JP basically got screwed and threw under the bus and it makes me sick. I mean I'd love to just give the guy a hug right now I feel so bad for him. I truly believe he is a good guy, he has yet to prove anything different to me. Thankfully he seems like a strong man and if him and Nikki are together I hope she can work through it all with him and stand by his side. This will be a true test to their relationship to say the least. I have no idea how her and Andi could be friends after this is all said and done by what Andi has said/done on show and post show but hey nothing ever amazes me!

I agree & I noticed on the HT date that he told Clare's family how much she told him about her Dad so he listened to her talk about her life & then Andi said he never listened or knew anything about me.
So I think he probably listened to Clare & Nikki since he was invested in them more!
However, Andi had some good points & I think the lawyer in her could see that JP was maybe in ths for wrong reasons ! Just don't see how she could be happy for Nikki if Nikki is F1!!
But like you said nothing should surprise us !!!

Idlemess wrote:

USAGold wrote:

JesseJames24 wrote:

Mimi27 wrote:The entire Andi show after the FD just seemed planned and fake. She went along with everything on the date, then made a one hundred eighty degree turn in the morning. It seemed obvious that she had been put up to it by tptb. After watching this show since the beginning, I'm aware that editing is everything. Tptb have decided to throw JP under the bus and make him look like a fool. He may not be a perfect man, but he doesn't deserve this. And Andi making fun of his accent is indeed classless. I have really liked Andi until last night. Now I know I won't watch her season. She should remember what goes around, comes around.

Good post!! See ^^^ My thoughts exactly! It just doesn't seem right. It has nothing to do with Andi standing up for herself ect. It just simply doesn't seem right and very odd to me. She was completely fine during the date and then BOOM complete turn around, not to mention the excuses. The things she said in the ITM were not straight from her I can bet on that. Like comments about him wanting "besitos" all the time just like she is making fun of him saying "ezzz okay" It just seems like someone put her up to it. It even crossed my mind that ITM was taped later on by TPTB. There is def. WAY more to the story. JP basically got screwed and threw under the bus and it makes me sick. I mean I'd love to just give the guy a hug right now I feel so bad for him. I truly believe he is a good guy, he has yet to prove anything different to me. Thankfully he seems like a strong man and if him and Nikki are together I hope she can work through it all with him and stand by his side. This will be a true test to their relationship to say the least. I have no idea how her and Andi could be friends after this is all said and done by what Andi has said/done on show and post show but hey nothing ever amazes me!

I agree & I noticed on the HT date that he told Clare's family how much she told him about her Dad so he listened to her talk about her life & then Andi said he never listened or knew anything about me.
So I think he probably listened to Clare & Nikki since he was invested in them more!
However, Andi had some good points & I think the lawyer in her could see that JP was maybe in ths for wrong reasons ! Just don't see how she could be happy for Nikki if Nikki is F1!!
But like you said nothing should surprise us !!!

But Nikki said that she spoke to Andi about their feelings (or something like that) and they see things differently.  She thinks Juan Pablo balance her personality.