Episode 9 -- Fantasy Dates -- airs TUESDAY February 25

Rolly wrote:TPTB have totally thrown JP under the bus and I feel bad for him. Andi was so happy and so close to being in love....yah right! They then go on the overnights, she has this AWFUL experience and he thinks it was great. If if was so awful for her how could she leave him in the morning and not say anything??? If she is such a strong assertive woman she should have told him how she felt about the way she was being treated during the overnight. If she was so upset with him how could he not know? The whole film of Andi and her meeting with JP was totally orchestrated. The total change in her demeanor from the day before and the morning after is unbelievable. The truth is she and JP never really had real chemistry.

TPTB came to Andi and said, "you are F3, let's have some drama and you leave then we'll make you the 'ette...what do ya say?" Her exit was a total promo for the next season....not subtle at all. As time goes on I am liking Andi less and less.

Rolly wrote:TPTB have totally thrown JP under the bus and I feel bad for him. Andi was so happy and so close to being in love....yah right! They then go on the overnights, she has this AWFUL experience and he thinks it was great. If if was so awful for her how could she leave him in the morning and not say anything??? If she is such a strong assertive woman she should have told him how she felt about the way she was being treated during the overnight. If she was so upset with him how could he not know? The whole film of Andi and her meeting with JP was totally orchestrated. The total change in her demeanor from the day before and the morning after is unbelievable. The truth is she and JP never really had real chemistry.

TPTB came to Andi and said, "you are F3, let's have some drama and you leave then we'll make you the 'ette...what do ya say?" Her exit was a total promo for the next season....not subtle at all. As time goes on I am liking Andi less and less.

Isabel123 wrote:

Rolly wrote:TPTB have totally thrown JP under the bus and I feel bad for him. Andi was so happy and so close to being in love....yah right! They then go on the overnights, she has this AWFUL experience and he thinks it was great. If if was so awful for her how could she leave him in the morning and not say anything??? If she is such a strong assertive woman she should have told him how she felt about the way she was being treated during the overnight. If she was so upset with him how could he not know? The whole film of Andi and her meeting with JP was totally orchestrated. The total change in her demeanor from the day before and the morning after is unbelievable. The truth is she and JP never really had real chemistry.

TPTB came to Andi and said, "you are F3, let's have some drama and you leave then we'll make you the 'ette...what do ya say?" Her exit was a total promo for the next season....not subtle at all. As time goes on I am liking Andi less and less.

totally agree with you.

Isabel123 wrote:

Rolly wrote:TPTB have totally thrown JP under the bus and I feel bad for him. Andi was so happy and so close to being in love....yah right! They then go on the overnights, she has this AWFUL experience and he thinks it was great. If if was so awful for her how could she leave him in the morning and not say anything??? If she is such a strong assertive woman she should have told him how she felt about the way she was being treated during the overnight. If she was so upset with him how could he not know? The whole film of Andi and her meeting with JP was totally orchestrated. The total change in her demeanor from the day before and the morning after is unbelievable. The truth is she and JP never really had real chemistry.

TPTB came to Andi and said, "you are F3, let's have some drama and you leave then we'll make you the 'ette...what do ya say?" Her exit was a total promo for the next season....not subtle at all. As time goes on I am liking Andi less and less.

totally agree with you.

Isabel123 wrote:

Rolly wrote:TPTB have totally thrown JP under the bus and I feel bad for him. Andi was so happy and so close to being in love....yah right! They then go on the overnights, she has this AWFUL experience and he thinks it was great. If if was so awful for her how could she leave him in the morning and not say anything??? If she is such a strong assertive woman she should have told him how she felt about the way she was being treated during the overnight. If she was so upset with him how could he not know? The whole film of Andi and her meeting with JP was totally orchestrated. The total change in her demeanor from the day before and the morning after is unbelievable. The truth is she and JP never really had real chemistry.

TPTB came to Andi and said, "you are F3, let's have some drama and you leave then we'll make you the 'ette...what do ya say?" Her exit was a total promo for the next season....not subtle at all. As time goes on I am liking Andi less and less.

totally agree with you.

stuckinsc wrote:So it has been noted that Juan Pablo didn't drink.  Do you think him not being buzzed or drunk during most of filming has made a difference.  Often they drink a lot to get through this whole process.  I wonder if it made Juan Pablo a bit more reserved in "feeling" things and not easily manipulated by TPTB.  

umngirl wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:So it has been noted that Juan Pablo didn't drink.  Do you think him not being buzzed or drunk during most of filming has made a difference.  Often they drink a lot to get through this whole process.  I wonder if it made Juan Pablo a bit more reserved in "feeling" things and not easily manipulated by TPTB.  

I don't think all Bachelors are big drinkers. Obviously some are probably influenced by the alcohol, but I think it had little to do with JuanPa's actions.

stuckinsc wrote:

umngirl wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:So it has been noted that Juan Pablo didn't drink.  Do you think him not being buzzed or drunk during most of filming has made a difference.  Often they drink a lot to get through this whole process.  I wonder if it made Juan Pablo a bit more reserved in "feeling" things and not easily manipulated by TPTB.  

I don't think all Bachelors are big drinkers. Obviously some are probably influenced by the alcohol, but I think it had little to do with JuanPa's actions.

Okay, I just thought it helped make sense why it took Sean so long to get rid of Tierra.   

quietpal wrote:

Isabel123 wrote:

Rolly wrote:TPTB have totally thrown JP under the bus and I feel bad for him. Andi was so happy and so close to being in love....yah right! They then go on the overnights, she has this AWFUL experience and he thinks it was great. If if was so awful for her how could she leave him in the morning and not say anything??? If she is such a strong assertive woman she should have told him how she felt about the way she was being treated during the overnight. If she was so upset with him how could he not know? The whole film of Andi and her meeting with JP was totally orchestrated. The total change in her demeanor from the day before and the morning after is unbelievable. The truth is she and JP never really had real chemistry.

TPTB came to Andi and said, "you are F3, let's have some drama and you leave then we'll make you the 'ette...what do ya say?" Her exit was a total promo for the next season....not subtle at all. As time goes on I am liking Andi less and less.

totally agree with you.

   She's smart enough, so why wait when the cameras come back on to tell him how you feel instead of during the FD? There's something fishy in the water.   

umngirl wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

umngirl wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:So it has been noted that Juan Pablo didn't drink.  Do you think him not being buzzed or drunk during most of filming has made a difference.  Often they drink a lot to get through this whole process.  I wonder if it made Juan Pablo a bit more reserved in "feeling" things and not easily manipulated by TPTB.  

I don't think all Bachelors are big drinkers. Obviously some are probably influenced by the alcohol, but I think it had little to do with JuanPa's actions.

Okay, I just thought it helped make sense why it took Sean so long to get rid of Tierra.   

Haha. Sadly he attributes that to male stupidity. But he figured it all out in the end when it mattered most. And their tweets tonight were hilarious.

stuckinsc wrote:

umngirl wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

umngirl wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:So it has been noted that Juan Pablo didn't drink.  Do you think him not being buzzed or drunk during most of filming has made a difference.  Often they drink a lot to get through this whole process.  I wonder if it made Juan Pablo a bit more reserved in "feeling" things and not easily manipulated by TPTB.  

I don't think all Bachelors are big drinkers. Obviously some are probably influenced by the alcohol, but I think it had little to do with JuanPa's actions.

Okay, I just thought it helped make sense why it took Sean so long to get rid of Tierra.   

Haha. Sadly he attributes that to male stupidity. But he figured it all out in the end when it mattered most. And their tweets tonight were hilarious.

Ah, so it was a case of thinking with the little head instead of the big head? He definitely got it right in the end.  He and Cat are great together.  Cat is one of my favorite female contestants to come on this show.  I love her and Sean together, and glad they found each other.