Re: Episode 7 -- Miami -- airs Feb 17

by Aunties_Love Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:16 am

I get the feeling that Nikki can do no wrong....meanwhile, Clare gets blamed for everything, even things that aren't her fault.

by George1218 Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:18 am

stuckinsc wrote:Sorry to all of you who still love Renee, but here are my thoughts.

The group date. Clare is a smug bunny boiler. She just knew that rose was for her and couldn't see anyway it might be someone else. What she said on the couches when Nikki left was rude and I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't edit something out because at least CH seems to have Clare's back at least a little bit. Chelsie and Renee might as well not have been on the date at all. Andi did have doubts and given that she was probably the only one to know that Nikki met his family, I can understand. Plus given the behavior of Renee, Chelsie and Clare at the rose ceremony, I can't imagine it was much fun for Andi to be stuck with the three of them that day. Plus up until the moment Andi got the rose Clare seemed a little over confident and condescending on the date. I loved Andi getting the GDR, Clare was a bitch about it and um, yes you all are correct, she had a 1:1 date just the week before and lets not forget Vietnam where she did get the most alone time on the group date, the GDR and still went back and had the extra time with him in the ocean that night. Hypocrite, they name is Clare.

The cocktail party, I can see how some might feel Nikki was bitchy, but I think she was just honest. Except for my wedding ring, I have no jewelry that I wear everyday either. I am not sentimental that way either and instead of seeing that as people being different both Chelsie and Clare decided to take it as negative. Now Chelsie I understand, I think it was fairly obvious that Juan Pablo was not taking her home. What shocked me was Renee. She was right in the middle agreeing with all the mean girl comments from Clare and Chelsie, and I found her whispered not subtle question to Clare when she came upon Nikki and Clare alone to be a little rude, what I found a lot rude was her and Clare both whispering when Juan Pablo was walking Chelsie out what a mistake he just made. That is rude, both Nikki and Andi could hear them and knew they meant that he should have sent Nikki home. I think Renee should thank Sharleen, the truth is she had a hometown date because Sharleen chose to leave.

I find the jealousy of Clare, that both Chelsie and Renee seemed to share some of tonight to be sad. Nikki felt confident, I understand, he took her to meet his daughter and family. That was huge and for her alone. Again as they always say, look who the lead chases not who chases the lead. Juan Pablo chased Sharleen and Nikki and tonight Andi somewhat. Clare, Chelsie and Renee have all been chasing Juan Pablo. And I agree with Nikki, Clare you peed on someone who you might not have really had the right to pee on yet. Juan Pablo was never just Clare's but her words in Vietnam, New Zealand and tonight show that Clare really didn't understand that.

ITA with everything in your post!!! Voiced my own feelings exactly!!! :Thanktwo

by Guest Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:18 am

Sprite wrote:
soccermom333 wrote:
Sprite wrote:Nothing awkward about introducing one of the 27 women you are dating to your ex .... and getting flowers with said date to give to your daughter, which you then ask her to give to her mom. And Nikki kissing Carla goodbye. Carla looks just thrilled.

No nothing awkward at all. I smell stinky fish.

I agree! Hahaha! Just plain awkward. I just heard the comment Nikki made about Clare's family.....way below the belt. Not nice! This season's editing is just plain weird.

Yeah...she is a class act. I get that she doesn't like Clare but no need to insult her family...who she had never met. Both of them are so juvenile and frankly I don't care for either.

^^ THIS. Can I actually cheer for a no-pick and that Juan Pablo comes to the same realization?

They both seem like spoiled brats used to getting their own way. I find them both likable in moments and then awful in others. I kind of think they'll dislike each other so much by the end they just want to piss off the other by being picked over her. When Nikki says she's 'excited' or 'happy' I laugh because she seems exactly the opposite. Also not seeing any feelings from her towards JP. I don't know where calling Clare crazy comes from. Annoying, perhaps, unlikeable to some maybe, but crazy I don't get?

by **Sprite** Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:21 am

Frankly, I found both Clare's and Nikki's behaviour silly and juvenile this evening. Both annoyed me to no end. This whole episode seemed very choppy to me and I see the big, fat fingers of producers stirring up this whole un-dramatic drama. I was so bored I was trying to figure out who had the darkest tan rather than to listen to this drivel.

by stuckinsc Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:22 am

pbmax wrote:
Aunties_Love wrote:
Jeepers wrote:
USAGold wrote:
Jeepers wrote:The icing on the cake tonight was Clare's comments at the RC .. On the bitchy scale she hit the bell. DONG!!

She wasn't the only one Nikki did too which is what the show wants us to see conflict drama etc....
nikki didn't saw one word at the RC!! Clare's comment about JP making a mistake was totally inappropriate .. A major jab
In her itm's Nikki also took some major jabs at Clare. Let's just say we aren't going to agree on this, but let's also say that Nikki is the "Bitchy" one of the group, and Clare can come out as being over the top sometimes but definately NOT cray cray.

I would say Clare was the bitchy one cause if she didn't bother Nikki there wouldn't be any confrontation. Seem like Nikki didn't even want to argue by walking away...that's what you do when you don't want to argue with a person. Clare wouldn't even quit at the RC, now she want to dictate who JP should keep and send home.

pbmax, I agree Nikki tried to walk away instead of fight. Isn't that what we tell our kids to do all the time? I think Nikki was a little bitchy saying that Clare's whole family must be crazy because she is, then again my mom is a narcissist and my sister was bipolar so for me that comment hits a little close to home. Clare to me is a mean girl, but also with my years in counseling to learn to deal with my mom and family, I think Clare is also a narcissist. To these people it is all about them. They really can't talk about anyone else without having to make it about themselves. If I am right, then I really hope the spoiler is right because having a parent who is a narcissist is really hard. If you want examples go to the website of Daughters of Narcissistic Mothers (not an advertisement for the ladies book - this is actually a website my counselor directed me to to help me in some of my more trying times with my mother). It will give you a little idea what I mean.

by pbmax Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:28 am

stuckinsc, I agree with you. I don't care for Renee. She was just as bad as Clare and Chelsea.

by stuckinsc Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:30 am

Aunties_Love wrote:I get the feeling that Nikki can do no wrong....meanwhile, Clare gets blamed for everything, even things that aren't her fault.

I know you like Clare and can see why you feel that way. Nikki's comment about Clare's family was bitchy, I can totally agree. I also see how Nikki rubbed them all the wrong way because she did seem happy to hear that her friend Andi got the GDR and a hometown date. I do understand all of that.

Where Clare went wrong to me was following Nikki up the stairs, Nikki walked away instead of starting a fight. Clare's comment (which she herself spoke) was that she was going up there to not let Nikki get away with it again. I have been taught in a disagreement when you know that you won't reach resolution that you should walk away. So yes, I think Nikki tried to do the right thing and Clare pushed the issue.

I did also find Clare and Renee's very obvious whispers about Juan Pablo making a mistake rude. You can disagree, but that is how I see it. I think seeing how Clare's family reacts to her next week will be very telling.

by iamreal2u Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:35 am

On another topic. Did you anyone notice that the only person that Juan P has a conversation with is Nikki. I was surprised that they actually show her asking where does she fit in with his family. Shoot I was wondering that as well. To me Juan P family already seem complete with very little room for a english speaking partner.

by lcwilli3 Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:37 am

In the previews for next week, Clare's conversation with her mother is very telling. It seems Clare is used to crying, pouting and throwing a fit when she doesn't get what she wants. And her mother recognizes that Clare is being manipulative.

It's just baffling to me that Clare is a 32-year-old woman. She acts much younger.

by Aunties_Love Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:41 am

stuckinsc wrote:
Aunties_Love wrote:I get the feeling that Nikki can do no wrong....meanwhile, Clare gets blamed for everything, even things that aren't her fault.

I know you like Clare and can see why you feel that way. Nikki's comment about Clare's family was bitchy, I can totally agree. I also see how Nikki rubbed them all the wrong way because she did seem happy to hear that her friend Andi got the GDR and a hometown date. I do understand all of that.

Where Clare went wrong to me was following Nikki up the stairs, Nikki walked away instead of starting a fight. Clare's comment (which she herself spoke) was that she was going up there to not let Nikki get away with it again. I have been taught in a disagreement when you know that you won't reach resolution that you should walk away. So yes, I think Nikki tried to do the right thing and Clare pushed the issue.

I did also find Clare and Renee's very obvious whispers about Juan Pablo making a mistake rude. You can disagree, but that is how I see it. I think seeing how Clare's family reacts to her next week will be very telling.

I think calling Clare narcastic is below the belt though unless someone has a degree and KNOWS exactly what is what, and even then without having a consult with someone AWAY from this show is going too far.

by stuckinsc Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:42 am

lcwilli3 wrote:In the previews for next week, Clare's conversation with her mother is very telling. It seems Clare is used to crying, pouting and throwing a fit when she doesn't get what she wants. And her mother recognizes that Clare is being manipulative.

It's just baffling to me that Clare is a 32-year-old woman. She acts much younger.

Look up narcissism. It is very much Clare. To me almost to a shocking degree and having that in your family is incredibly hard to deal with. I still go to therapy on and off to deal with my mother who is much like Clare.

by betsyeas Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:43 am

lcwilli3 wrote:In the previews for next week, Clare's conversation with her mother is very telling. It seems Clare is used to crying, pouting and throwing a fit when she doesn't get what she wants. And her mother recognizes that Clare is being manipulative.

It's just baffling to me that Clare is a 32-year-old woman. She acts much younger.

I tweeted the same thing during the show. She was such a brat during that argument with Nikki......all that crap about did you pay for this room......seriously sounded like my daughters when they used to argue in Jr. High. She was kind of being a bully. I think Nikki was totally floored. And what did Nikki do wrong in walking away from the conversation on the couch. I'm just totally lost! But you know hearing that Clare is the youngest of 6 girls explained a lot and then seeing the previews of interactions with her sister and mom.......like Nikki said she didn't get that crazy on her own......they all seem a little dramatic and over the top. Her behavior totally explains why she is 32 and still single.

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