Re: Episode 7 -- Miami -- airs Feb 17

by rosesrREd Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:07 am

eversotrue wrote:Jeepers...That's also a given. But it's also "People see what they want to see". That ties into the fact that people perceive things differently based on many aspects that im not going to repeat because like I said I. Dont. Have. Patience. At all. Especially when it comes to typing/writing. There's also no point because again...People see what they want to see.

People that watch this show may be biased to either Clare or Nikki, and see things they way they want. However, I have an unbiased opinion on last night, and from someone who has never watched one episode of this series. My brother and his family lost their home in a fire, and they have moved in with me and my husband temporarily. My sister in law sat and watched the episode with me on Monday. She had heard of the show, but had never watched it. Her response to Clare and Nikki's confrontation was that it was all Clare's fault. She said "if Clare would have just let it be, it wouldn't have gotten that bad." She also responded to Clare's comments at the RC by saying, "she is just mean." I did not have a conversation with her prior to the show, so her opinion was unbiased, and untainted.

by Aunties_Love Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:10 am

nonnie wrote:
Aunties_Love wrote:
nonnie wrote:
eversotrue wrote:Jeepers...That's also a given. But it's also "People see what they want to see". That ties into the fact that people perceive things differently based on many aspects that im not going to repeat because like I said I. Dont. Have. Patience. At all. Especially when it comes to typing/writing. There's also no point because again...People see what they want to see.

Then why do you keep typing/repeating it.
Maybe because others keep arguing and trying to say their peace so it makes sense to say hers?
Hey coastal maybe you need to reread her post.

My name is Aunties_Love

by Guest Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:12 am

Aunties_Love wrote:
nonnie wrote:
Aunties_Love wrote:
nonnie wrote:
eversotrue wrote:Jeepers...That's also a given. But it's also "People see what they want to see". That ties into the fact that people perceive things differently based on many aspects that im not going to repeat because like I said I. Dont. Have. Patience. At all. Especially when it comes to typing/writing. There's also no point because again...People see what they want to see.

Then why do you keep typing/repeating it.
Maybe because others keep arguing and trying to say their peace so it makes sense to say hers?
Hey coastal maybe you need to reread her post.
My name is Aunties_Love

AKA.....

by Aunties_Love Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:15 am

nonnie wrote:
Aunties_Love wrote:
nonnie wrote:
Aunties_Love wrote:
nonnie wrote:
eversotrue wrote:Jeepers...That's also a given. But it's also "People see what they want to see". That ties into the fact that people perceive things differently based on many aspects that im not going to repeat because like I said I. Dont. Have. Patience. At all. Especially when it comes to typing/writing. There's also no point because again...People see what they want to see.

Then why do you keep typing/repeating it.
Maybe because others keep arguing and trying to say their peace so it makes sense to say hers?
Hey coastal maybe you need to reread her post.
My name is Aunties_Love

AKA.....

Instead of calling out members on the board(which I believe is against the rules), lets get back to discussing the show!

by **Sprite** Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:35 am

rosesrREd wrote:
eversotrue wrote:Jeepers...That's also a given. But it's also "People see what they want to see". That ties into the fact that people perceive things differently based on many aspects that im not going to repeat because like I said I. Dont. Have. Patience. At all. Especially when it comes to typing/writing. There's also no point because again...People see what they want to see.

People that watch this show may be biased to either Clare or Nikki, and see things they way they want. However, I have an unbiased opinion on last night, and from someone who has never watched one episode of this series. My brother and his family lost their home in a fire, and they have moved in with me and my husband temporarily. My sister in law sat and watched the episode with me on Monday. She had heard of the show, but had never watched it. Her response to Clare and Nikki's confrontation was that it was all Clare's fault. She said "if Clare would have just let it be, it wouldn't have gotten that bad." She also responded to Clare's comments at the RC by saying, "she is just mean." I did not have a conversation with her prior to the show, so her opinion was unbiased, and untainted.

I would tend to agree with respect to that particular argument...based on how it was edited. However, that whole sequence was all chopped up and we missed much of the conversation leading up to it. It was also all set up by producers to produce the desired effect. Unfortunately, I am a horse that refuses to be led to the water...and I most definitely, will not drink said water (AKA...kool aid). The whole thing was edited for the unspoiled viewer who doesn't know much of what goes on behind the scenes and generally falls for what is presented.

For me, at different times, both women have acted poorly. I am not going to get into a tit for tat over which one was more wrong and when she was wrong. Cumulatively, I don't particularly care for either one of them. Clare seems to be very emotional, impulsive, easily manipulated and easily slighted. Nikki seems to be negative, socially awkward and snotty. I'm sure producer prodding and manipulations didn't help either. Not to mention editing. The result is their faults are being highlighted for the world to see. Over the course of the show...both are at fault. Period.

by Guest Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:06 am

Sprite wrote:
rosesrREd wrote:
eversotrue wrote:Jeepers...That's also a given. But it's also "People see what they want to see". That ties into the fact that people perceive things differently based on many aspects that im not going to repeat because like I said I. Dont. Have. Patience. At all. Especially when it comes to typing/writing. There's also no point because again...People see what they want to see.

People that watch this show may be biased to either Clare or Nikki, and see things they way they want. However, I have an unbiased opinion on last night, and from someone who has never watched one episode of this series. My brother and his family lost their home in a fire, and they have moved in with me and my husband temporarily. My sister in law sat and watched the episode with me on Monday. She had heard of the show, but had never watched it. Her response to Clare and Nikki's confrontation was that it was all Clare's fault. She said "if Clare would have just let it be, it wouldn't have gotten that bad." She also responded to Clare's comments at the RC by saying, "she is just mean." I did not have a conversation with her prior to the show, so her opinion was unbiased, and untainted.

I would tend to agree with respect to that particular argument...based on how it was edited. However, that whole sequence was all chopped up and we missed much of the conversation leading up to it. It was also all set up by producers to produce the desired effect. Unfortunately, I am a horse that refuses to be led to the water...and I most definitely, will not drink said water (AKA...kool aid). The whole think was edited for the unspoiled viewer who doesn't know much of what goes on behind the scenes and generally falls for what is presented.

For me, at different times, both women have acted poorly. I am not going to get into a tit for tat over which one was more wrong and when she was wrong. Cumulatively, I don't particularly care for either one of them. Clare seems to be very emotional, impulsive, easily manipulated and easily slighted. Nikki seems to be negative, socially awkward and snotty. I'm sure producer prodding and manipulations didn't help either. Not to mention editing. The result is their faults are being highlighted for the world to see. Over the course of the show...both are at fault. Period.
Nikki

ITA. as they said, those sneaky producers cant make `something2` out of anything, unless you gave them, either consciously, or unconsciously. When you `accidentally` do, be prepare for your doomsday :atomic:
I`d like to take Renee, the sweetheart one, as the example..IMO they just can`t find something to make fun of her. And its not merely bc she has a son. We have had mommy Michelle Money anyway.. Rolling Eyes

by stuckinsc Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:59 am

rosesrREd wrote:
eversotrue wrote:Jeepers...That's also a given. But it's also "People see what they want to see". That ties into the fact that people perceive things differently based on many aspects that im not going to repeat because like I said I. Dont. Have. Patience. At all. Especially when it comes to typing/writing. There's also no point because again...People see what they want to see.

People that watch this show may be biased to either Clare or Nikki, and see things they way they want. However, I have an unbiased opinion on last night, and from someone who has never watched one episode of this series. My brother and his family lost their home in a fire, and they have moved in with me and my husband temporarily. My sister in law sat and watched the episode with me on Monday. She had heard of the show, but had never watched it. Her response to Clare and Nikki's confrontation was that it was all Clare's fault. She said "if Clare would have just let it be, it wouldn't have gotten that bad." She also responded to Clare's comments at the RC by saying, "she is just mean." I did not have a conversation with her prior to the show, so her opinion was unbiased, and untainted.

Thanks for sharing this. I hope that your brother and his family are okay and able to get back on their feet soon, bless you for helping them.

by Mommyof2 Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:24 pm

Jeepers wrote:Hahaha spoof on Jimmy Fallon hahahaha

I actually don't see a minority in this 'discussion'

Spoof on The Bachelor? giggling

by Longhornfan Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:19 pm

Sprite wrote:
rosesrREd wrote:
eversotrue wrote:Jeepers...That's also a given. But it's also "People see what they want to see". That ties into the fact that people perceive things differently based on many aspects that im not going to repeat because like I said I. Dont. Have. Patience. At all. Especially when it comes to typing/writing. There's also no point because again...People see what they want to see.

People that watch this show may be biased to either Clare or Nikki, and see things they way they want. However, I have an unbiased opinion on last night, and from someone who has never watched one episode of this series. My brother and his family lost their home in a fire, and they have moved in with me and my husband temporarily. My sister in law sat and watched the episode with me on Monday. She had heard of the show, but had never watched it. Her response to Clare and Nikki's confrontation was that it was all Clare's fault. She said "if Clare would have just let it be, it wouldn't have gotten that bad." She also responded to Clare's comments at the RC by saying, "she is just mean." I did not have a conversation with her prior to the show, so her opinion was unbiased, and untainted.

I would tend to agree with respect to that particular argument...based on how it was edited. However, that whole sequence was all chopped up and we missed much of the conversation leading up to it. It was also all set up by producers to produce the desired effect. Unfortunately, I am a horse that refuses to be led to the water...and I most definitely, will not drink said water (AKA...kool aid). The whole thing was edited for the unspoiled viewer who doesn't know much of what goes on behind the scenes and generally falls for what is presented.

For me, at different times, both women have acted poorly. I am not going to get into a tit for tat over which one was more wrong and when she was wrong. Cumulatively, I don't particularly care for either one of them. Clare seems to be very emotional, impulsive, easily manipulated and easily slighted. Nikki seems to be negative, socially awkward and snotty. I'm sure producer prodding and manipulations didn't help either. Not to mention editing. The result is their faults are being highlighted for the world to see. Over the course of the show...both are at fault. Period.

I can honestly say that I don't have a favorite this season, but I don't think that JuanP or any of his F4 are getting a particularly good edit from production. I do agree that Clare is being highlighted as overly emotional and easily slighted. Nikki is being shown to be socially awkward in some situations, which she fully embraced in some of her PI's. She is coming across as snarky and standoffish, with at least some of the other women there. Cliques were formed early on, and some of the women probably felt excluded by Nikki.

I have known people whose snarkiness came across as negative, to the point that I did not even enjoy being around them. And sometimes I would even question whether or not that snarky comment was meant to be funny or was a putdown. It is hard to determine what is real and what is just their "edit" - per the story line for this season. Some of the women I like, and some I don't. But, I am basing this purely on what I have seen by watching the edited episodes. Like I said, no one is getting a completely clean edit this season.

by BuckeyeGal06 Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:26 pm

I think, like every friendship, there are people you click with and people you don't.

I'm not fans of Nikki and Andi but I would never say "Oh, they're not nice people." They just aren't girls that I would probably be friends with. Same as vice versa for how some people feel about Clare, Chelsie, ect. That being said, we only know the edited version of what we're shown, so I am always open to my opinion being changed.

by Mommyof2 Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:10 pm

Something I've noticed that Juan Pablo does with Nikki A LOT is he is always whispering in her ear. I don't see him do this with anyone else.

by SouthernMomOf4 Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:16 pm

BuckeyeGal06 wrote:I think, like every friendship, there are people you click with and people you don't.

I'm not fans of Nikki and Andi but I would never say "Oh, they're not nice people." They just aren't girls that I would probably be friends with. Same as vice versa for how some people feel about Clare, Chelsie, ect. That being said, we only know the edited version of what we're shown, so I am always open to my opinion being changed.

That is very true. I "get" the humor that Nikki is putting forth and I also enjoy her and Andi. I would not be caught dead hanging out with Clare. To me she reads as a vapid little girl using looks and manipulation to get her way and then stamps her feet and throws a hissy when she feels she hasn't gotten what she believes she deserves.

To each his own.

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