Episode 7 -- Miami -- airs Feb 17

Iluvbachette wrote:I could be the only one who really sees the connection with Nikki. JP does says several things to her that are whispers out of full audio. At the cave he whispered "It'll be all right". Last week when she lightly kissed him. He whispered "kiss", she knodes her head yes and they kiss. I think just the little things they do together adds alot.

Did anyone catch this. On their 1 on 1 two weeks ago. As it started they sat down on the walkway. Before he told her about the cave. At one point when they are walking towards the cave. The camera has a back shot of them. Nikki's jean shorts are wet in the butt. So they either sat on a wet walkway. Or they had been in water at some point for them to be wet.

I noticed everything you mentioned!!! I definately think they had set at that walk way longer because in previews they showed more than we actually saw so that was a dead give away to me as well. I hate how they cut SO much out for us :( I too sometimes think I'm the only one who sees the little things between JP and Nikki! I think we all need to remember it's usually F2 getting the "obvious" edit and the F1 you really have to watch out for the little things and the love story developing to notice. Also most of the time it doesn't really start progressing until around now. I'm excited to watch tonight and from here on out as it gets more serious! This is when it gets fun!!

Aunties_Love wrote:I guess I am in the extreme minority here on a few counts.

1) I don't think that Clare is as bad as many feel.  On other sites and in general public by the watercooler etc, she is liked.  I don't think Nikki is as innocent as she is made out to be here on this board.  I also think that as other girls have said, she is bitchy so don't think Clare is the one that's at fault.

I am sure she isn't a bad person, I find her intensely annoying that I can barely watch her on my screen, but that is MY issue not HERS. I never thought Courtney was a bad person, which made me in a minority of about three on this board, and I remember you had an intense dislike of her. Both Clare and Nikki have be criticized by the other women in the house, Clare being possessive, Nikki negative etc, so I don't think anyone can say, with any certainty that Clare is not at fault. Remember we are shown what the producers want us to see for a reason. They have a story to tell.

2)  I am really doubting RS once again this season.  I don't think he's right again.  I said last season that Fleiss and company are pulling the wool over his eyes and was scoffed at as Fleiss doesn't care and wouldn't go to that extent to keep the ending hidden.  Well, he did and the ending was completely different than what RS said.  I think that the 2nd season in a row will also be different too.

I didn't pay much attention to Des's season, but I cheered out loud when Brooks didn't return and RS was humiliated. However, for me, Clare is too obvious an F1, she is getting the classic chemistry edit. What I haven't noticed, and I may be wrong because I have only just started really taking an interest in the season, is JP has had in depth, serious, discussions with Nikki; about her life, her work and her future, that we have been shown with Clare. (Not saying that Clare and JP didn't have these types of conversations, but we have't been shown them.)

JesseJames24 wrote:

Iluvbachette wrote:I could be the only one who really sees the connection with Nikki. JP does says several things to her that are whispers out of full audio. At the cave he whispered "It'll be all right". Last week when she lightly kissed him. He whispered "kiss", she knodes her head yes and they kiss. I think just the little things they do together adds alot.

Did anyone catch this. On their 1 on 1 two weeks ago. As it started they sat down on the walkway. Before he told her about the cave. At one point when they are walking towards the cave. The camera has a back shot of them. Nikki's jean shorts are wet in the butt. So they either sat on a wet walkway. Or they had been in water at some point for them to be wet.

I noticed everything you mentioned!!! I definately think they had set at that walk way longer because in previews they showed more than we actually saw so that was a dead give away to me as well. I hate how they cut SO much out for us :( I too sometimes think I'm the only one who sees the little things between JP and Nikki! I think we all need to remember it's usually F2 getting the "obvious" edit and the F1 you really have to watch out for the little things and the love story developing to notice. Also most of the time it doesn't really start progressing until around now. I'm excited to watch tonight and from here on out as it gets more serious! This is when it gets fun!!

It seem you, Iluvbachette and I are seeing the same things. He's always whispering to her.. There are things they are not showing us and JP is making a point to tell us what we don't see. The fact that he is taking Nikki to see his daughter speaks volume and tell the real story. Remember what he told Clare about his daughter. Let's watch and see what happen tonight on that date.

pbmax wrote:

JesseJames24 wrote:

Iluvbachette wrote:I could be the only one who really sees the connection with Nikki. JP does says several things to her that are whispers out of full audio. At the cave he whispered "It'll be all right". Last week when she lightly kissed him. He whispered "kiss", she knodes her head yes and they kiss. I think just the little things they do together adds alot.

Did anyone catch this. On their 1 on 1 two weeks ago. As it started they sat down on the walkway. Before he told her about the cave. At one point when they are walking towards the cave. The camera has a back shot of them. Nikki's jean shorts are wet in the butt. So they either sat on a wet walkway. Or they had been in water at some point for them to be wet.

I noticed everything you mentioned!!! I definately think they had set at that walk way longer because in previews they showed more than we actually saw so that was a dead give away to me as well. I hate how they cut SO much out for us :( I too sometimes think I'm the only one who sees the little things between JP and Nikki! I think we all need to remember it's usually F2 getting the "obvious" edit and the F1 you really have to watch out for the little things and the love story developing to notice. Also most of the time it doesn't really start progressing until around now. I'm excited to watch tonight and from here on out as it gets more serious! This is when it gets fun!!

It seem you, Iluvbachette and I are seeing the same things. He's always whispering to her.. There are things they are not showing us and JP is making a point to tell us what we don't see. The fact that he is taking Nikki to see his daughter speaks volume and tell the real story. Remember what he told Clare about his daughter. Let's watch and see what happen tonight on that date.

Ditto :)

pbmax wrote:
It seem you, Iluvbachette and I are seeing the same things. He's always whispering to her.. There are things they are not showing us and JP is making a point to tell us what we don't see. The fact that he is taking Nikki to see his daughter speaks volume and tell the real story. Remember what he told Clare about his daughter. Let's watch and see what happen tonight on that date.

I agree also. I a really looking forward to watching Nikki's date.

jlccaz wrote:Well, speaking for myself, I attach no weight whatsoever to the cat fights or drama that producers choose to air in the first 6 weeks of every season in assessing the true character of the characters on the show. In fact, most people here would confess they aren't even bothering to pass judgment on the real human being behind the show character. We are all deserving of and usually find love, even if we have bitchy or jealous days weeks or months or even character.

Juan Pablo is the one getting a raw deal to me. He will be remembered --- probably forever with the way Google search algorithms work -- for that "pervert" comment. Makes me sort of sad for him, because I think he is a kind and non judgmental guy, at least from how the girls who got to know him describe him.

Exactly! let my man tell it, I'm bitchy and complaing everyday. lol

jlccaz wrote:Well, speaking for myself, I attach no weight whatsoever to the cat fights or drama that producers choose to air in the first 6 weeks of every season in assessing the true character of the characters on the show.  In fact, most people here would confess they aren't even bothering to pass judgment on the real human being behind the show character.   We are all deserving of and usually find love, even if we have bitchy or jealous days weeks or months or even character.  

Juan Pablo is the one getting a raw deal to me.   He will be remembered --- probably forever with the way Google search algorithms work -- for that "pervert" comment.  Makes me sort of sad for him, because I think he is a kind and non judgmental guy, at least from how the girls who got to know him describe him.

A lot of the things that Juan Pablo has been quoted as saying (after the show began airing) do not sound like a man who came away with a "good experience" from doing the show. I don't think that he truly knew what he had signed up for, that every word out of his mouth could and would come back to bite him. I also don't think that he knew enough about the premise of the Bachelor show, so he was like a lamb to the slaughter - in some ways. And it is looking less and less like he got his happy ending, too.

Longhornfan wrote:

jlccaz wrote:Well, speaking for myself, I attach no weight whatsoever to the cat fights or drama that producers choose to air in the first 6 weeks of every season in assessing the true character of the characters on the show.  In fact, most people here would confess they aren't even bothering to pass judgment on the real human being behind the show character.   We are all deserving of and usually find love, even if we have bitchy or jealous days weeks or months or even character.  

Juan Pablo is the one getting a raw deal to me.   He will be remembered --- probably forever with the way Google search algorithms work -- for that "pervert" comment.  Makes me sort of sad for him, because I think he is a kind and non judgmental guy, at least from how the girls who got to know him describe him.

A lot of the things that Juan Pablo has been quoted as saying (after the show began airing) do not sound like a man who came away with a "good experience" from doing the show.  I don't think that he truly knew what he had signed up for, that every word out of his mouth could and would come back to bite him.  I also don't think that he knew enough about the premise of the Bachelor show, so he was like a lamb to the slaughter - in some ways.  And it is looking less and less like he got his happy ending, too.
   

That is the impression I get as well. Of course, I also think he has no one but himself to blame. At this point, after all these seasons and all the stuff that we know goes on behind the scenes, not to mention that he has already done the show, the fact that he didn't do his due diligence before signing on, well.... Like many, I think he got too cocky and thought that he had the upper hand and greed took over...dreaming of that career in broadcasting. A fact no doubt fostered by the producers and handlers. Little JPab had no idea how well they had his...and everyone else's number! I think he is learning now and not very happily!

Some assumptions just slay me LOL

Jeepers wrote:Some assumptions just slay me LOL

Would you care to share?

Jeepers wrote:Some assumptions just slay me LOL

They slay me too. That's why I like to get my own interpretation from things I see, rea or hear.

Mirzam wrote:

pbmax wrote:
It seem you, Iluvbachette and I are seeing the same things. He's always whispering to her.. There are things they are not showing us and JP is making a point to tell us what we don't see. The fact that he is taking Nikki to see his daughter speaks volume and tell the real story. Remember what he told Clare about his daughter. Let's watch and see what happen tonight on that date.

I agree also. I a really looking forward to watching Nikki's date.

I agree with you guys as well! I see a connection with Nikki that I don't see with any of the other girls. Respect, good real conversations AND strong chemistry.