*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 Edit Discussions

Mirzam wrote:

MVMom39forever wrote:

Here's a start, but I'm sure other things have been mentioned that I'm forgetting at the moment.

Nikki:
1. Her lack of exposure in the first preview.
2. His first reaction to seeing her out of the limo and later his delight over the fact that she's a nurse.
3. "Nikki is just Nikki" I see bashfulness on both their parts that is not there with others.
4. Hidden make-out in the cave.
5. "Watch out Nikki"
6. Have you seen her bod?
7. She's either has a big ego or has reason to be extremely confident in this.
8. She met Camilla and his family.

Equally compelling
1. Clare's over exposure in the first preview.
2. JP likes that Sharleen is worldy and Clare is the opposite of that.
3. JP- is it spelled Claire or Clare??
4. the "Mistake"!!!
5. her interview to follow that.
6. Claire's getting the physical edit like many F2's before her.

Great post! I'll add to it:

1. Nikki's career ... he really seemed to be very impressed with her being pediatric nurse. I thought he put her on pedastal in early episodes and was in awe that someone with her looks/BODY (!!) could have such a rewarding and nurturing career.

2. Camilla ... he's looking for step mom for his daughter too and a good influence. I believe that he thinks Nurse Nikki would be both or would not have introduced her.

3. His ex wife is a model and that could be intimidating to many women so need someone capable of not falling to pieces every time they all meet up for events like recital. Nikki is/was (?) model too so she might be better candidate ( at least in his mind).

4. Group date roses ... didn't Nikki get two?

5. This is Bachelor not Bachelorette. Some posters are trying to reason that Clare fits better in his Latin culture world or is most comfortable with couch time. I think Bachelor picks more aspirationally ... the one he puts on a pedastal and is a bit in awe of, which may be why it rarely works.
- Ben picked his model and remember how stoked he was at meet and greet to see her.
- Brad picked Emily even though Chantal would have slid right into his world (and I was among posters who did not buy spoiler)
- Andy picked Tessa who had her doubts vs. Bevin whom he made out with all season
- Jerry picked his nurse instead
- And Jason initially picked more aspirationally or his vision of his f1 before realizing it was Mollie all along.

I also have to add that I have grown to respect Nikki and.love that she left room instead of listening to Clare second guess why Andi got rose.
Andi has long been my favorite ... but not for Juan Pablo ... so if Andi enjoys her company, good enough for me. I would be sick of hanging with Clare too who is the very opposite of "mundo" in having never traveled or even willing to try octopus.

 Nikki has been on my short list ever since he put his fist in his mouth after she passed him by after limo intro. He thinks she is smoking hot and excellent step mommy material with her love for kids. I think she is f1 and has been ever since their 1-on-1. She is a nurse and model ... You can't get better than that.

I totally agree with the above. I too think it was Nikki's 1 on 1 date when JP started to see her as the 'one'. This is what prompted his regret over his late night ocean swim with Clare.

murasaki1393 wrote:

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nd4reality wrote:

Jeepers wrote:

JBF wrote:
SOMETHING went down late in the season to required this peculiar "therapy" edit on screen that started with Victoria's scenes. If Nikki isn't the one who fell for Juan in the bubble and had some sort of meltdown when he rejected her, then somebody else did. If Nikki is F1, Clare? The point of showing them in the pool and ocean romp makes no sense if Clare wasn't F1 and was upset about being rejected. No sign in Andi/Sharleen/Chelsie/Renee's edits suggest they will be greatly heartbroken, but tons of signs in Nikki's edit.

Showing the romp in the ocean made perfect sense .. It had the effect in the next episode to put doubt front and center and some major conflict for Juan AND Clare .. Which .. According to the interview .. Still hasn't been resolved 100% .. It does put Clare in a negative light in some respects because she instigated it .. Secretively .. Creates a lot of doubt of her being able to be F1 seeing as Juan addressed it the next episode as being a mistake. . There has been more drama or self directed behavior Clare related in the first 6 episodes than for any other gal there .. Most other drama has come and gone quickly .. It is sooooo common for the edit to concentrate on 1 character initially .. And most of the time it is not the F1s part of the edit .. With a couple of exceptions

I see tons of signs of upsetting heartbreak in Clare's actions and behavior .. The tears already shed .. Her physical reaction when someone else is in her Juan space .. And the facial expressions she tends to use .. I see the very strong potential of the melt down .. As you refer to it .. Actually being hers .. As she looses grip on what she thought May/shôuld have been hers in the end

This. The potential meltdown.

ETA : I am leaning more towards a no pick. They have left in so much of negativity for the final 3 ladies that there is no one to root for. The last time they did this was for Brad 1.0 when Jenni though hot chemistry was looking to a dancing career and besides Brad realised that her heart wasn't in it (her ex still had it) and DeAnna was shown to be controlling, mean to some of the girls and slightly OCD.

That's what I hope happens at this point.  Come on Juan, they're both spoiled babies in their own ways.  Seems they want us to be cheering for nobody by the end.  It would explain why they're editing everyone to have a part in the nasty comments.  Why show Nikki in some very unlikeable moments in the same episode she meets Camilla and says she's falling in love with Juan Pablo? I find her and Clare on even footing in terms of turning off viewers with their edits but turning on Juan Pablo, although I think Clare is way more serious about him than Nikki is.  I just don't buy Nikki at all.  

They showed more drama than there really is.
Two competitive girls fighting due to accumulated anger. No big deal.
It doesn't change the way I see them.
Clare obsessed with the thought of being the only one worthy of JP.
Nikki being very direct with no filter in her way to express her opinions.

i agree with you to some degree.  The way i see it, Nikki got this ` i have the strongest connection` with JP `s edit. JBF has addressed she NEVER see with her own eyes how JPab interact with Clare in a group date setting (unlike the other girls in Vietnam--cough2 row boat sneaky kisses). To me, this looks like a usual `blindsided` F2 edit...waiting for the `boomerang`...in the final episode, aka Ben in Ash season 2.0.  

MVMom39forever wrote:Auntie... I respectfully disagree. Juan Pablo does not seem to be type of guy to go on show and pick someone whom he could find right in backyard. I know this is judgemental but Juan Pablo has been very vocal in qualities he admires and holds in high esteem. If the mundo opera singer had not left, she would be f4 and I am betting so would the attorney and pediatric nurse/model. Clare, the 32 year older single sister in family with six daughters (talk about pressure!!!) who never vacations and is not very adventurous is a bit not like others. Is she great fit for family? Yes!! But when do Bachelors puck best family fit? Ask Sean's mix and match sister...

JBF... Chris was in Des season opener previews but not readily identifiable except Germany date. I was unspoiled for first few episodes and was attempting to figure out screencaps. I had no clue that is was Chris ... Who was my favorite ... and actually thought caps of Chris were someone else due to my perceiving the guy in F2-3 dates being too short for Chris. The average viewer saw loads of Brooks in previews which was red flag for me.

Also, you can't compare how JP is acting to how Ashley and Des acted. The male/female leads approach differently IMHO.

nd4reality wrote:I see the edit and Clare's own personality setting her up for a boomerang. They have made sure that her emotional and dramatic character is heading for a melt down since episode # 2 itself by showing her getting all upset about JP kissing Sharlene and then upset when she did not get special time with JP after her 1on1 date. Almost every episode after that she has been shown to be clingy, jealous and tic-toc as Andi put it in episode 2 itself.

MVMom39forever wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

Litta123 wrote:Would one of you believers that Nikki is F1 being willing to layout specifically why you think so? I'm open minded to the position that Clare might not be F1, but as I've said before, Clare is the only one I feel like I, personally, can make a strong argument for. (Not because I want her to be...I really don't care.)

Maybe I haven't been listening, but I feel like I keep reading reason's why Clare can't be F1 as opposed to specific reasons why Nikki is. I'm completely open to some solid reasoning, but I think I've missed it if it's being posted. If it's already been written up (in the non-spoiler threads), can you tell me where? If it's in the spoiler threads, can someone copy it and PM it to me? TIA

Here's a start, but I'm sure other things have been mentioned that I'm forgetting at the moment.

Nikki:
1. Her lack of exposure in the first preview.
2. His first reaction to seeing her out of the limo and later his delight over the fact that she's a nurse.
3. "Nikki is just Nikki" I see bashfulness on both their parts that is not there with others.
4. Hidden make-out in the cave.
5. "Watch out Nikki"
6. Have you seen her bod?
7. She's either has a big ego or has reason to be extremely confident in this.
8. She met Camilla and his family.

Equally compelling
1. Clare's over exposure in the first preview.
2. JP likes that Sharleen is worldy and Clare is the opposite of that.
3. JP- is it spelled Claire or Clare??
4. the "Mistake"!!!
5. her interview to follow that.
6. Claire's getting the physical edit like many F2's before her.

Great post! I'll add to it:

1. Nikki's career ... he really seemed to be very impressed with her being pediatric nurse. I thought he put her on pedastal in early episodes and was in awe that someone with her looks/BODY (!!) could have such a rewarding and nurturing career.

2. Camilla ... he's looking for step mom for his daughter too and a good influence. I believe that he thinks Nurse Nikki would be both or would not have introduced her.

3. His ex wife is a model and that could be intimidating to many women so need someone capable of not falling to pieces every time they all meet up for events like recital. Nikki is/was (?) model too so she might be better candidate ( at least in his mind).

4. Group date roses ... didn't Nikki get two?

5. This is Bachelor not Bachelorette. Some posters are trying to reason that Clare fits better in his Latin culture world or is most comfortable with couch time. I think Bachelor picks more aspirationally ... the one he puts on a pedastal and is a bit in awe of, which may be why it rarely works.
- Ben picked his model and remember how stoked he was at meet and greet to see her.
- Brad picked Emily even though Chantal would have slid right into his world (and I was among posters who did not buy spoiler)
- Andy picked Tessa who had her doubts vs. Bevin whom he made out with all season
- Jerry picked his nurse instead
- And Jason initially picked more aspirationally or his vision of his f1 before realizing it was Mollie all along.

I also have to add that I have grown to respect Nikki and.love that she left room instead of listening to Clare second guess why Andi got rose.
Andi has long been my favorite ... but not for Juan Pablo ... so if Andi enjoys her company, good enough for me. I would be sick of hanging with Clare too who is the very opposite of "mundo" in having never traveled or even willing to try octopus.

 Nikki has been on my short list ever since he put his fist in his mouth after she passed him by after limo intro. He thinks she is smoking hot and excellent step mommy material with her love for kids. I think she is f1 and has been ever since their 1-on-1. She is a nurse and model ... You can't get better than that.

MVMom39forever wrote:Auntie... I respectfully disagree. Juan Pablo does not seem to be type of guy to go on show and pick someone whom he could find right in backyard. I know this is judgemental but Juan Pablo has been very vocal in qualities he admires and holds in high esteem. If the mundo opera singer had not left, she would be f4 and I am betting so would the attorney and pediatric nurse/model. Clare, the 32 year older single sister in family with six daughters (talk about pressure!!!) who never vacations and is not very adventurous is a bit not like others. Is she great fit for family? Yes!! But when do Bachelors puck best family fit? Ask Sean's mix and match sister...

JBF... Chris was in Des season opener previews but not readily identifiable except Germany date. I was unspoiled for first few episodes and was attempting to figure out screencaps. I had no clue that is was Chris ... Who was my favorite ... and actually thought caps of Chris were someone else due to my perceiving the guy in F2-3 dates being too short for Chris. The average viewer saw loads of Brooks in previews which was red flag for me.

Also, you can't compare how JP is acting to how Ashley and Des acted. The male/female leads approach differently IMHO.