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I personally would like to see a black man and 25 black women. Their sense of humor is off the charts and would keep you in stitches. Plus they have awesome fashion style and they would be dressed to the nines at each rose ceremony. Bring it on.

pbmax wrote:

Longhornfan wrote:

eliza3 wrote:

dw_a_mom wrote:

pbmax wrote:

dw_a_mom wrote:

eliza3 wrote:I simply think that if he had said something to the affect that while it means something different in his country he understands the difference and apologizes if he offended anyone that would have diffused the situation….but he didn't.   His response when chastised is to blame it on the culture difference instead of trying to learn the lessons from this country where he lives.

He is incredibly bad at diffusing difficult situations or at validating anyone's feelings but his own, it seems.

It's OK to stumble into it when you don't know a language really well, but his explanations too often make everything worse.  All he has to learn is to say, "I am sorry, that is not what I thought I was saying and not what I meant!"  <---- memorize this, Juan Pablo.  Repeat.  Then stop talking.

He does know how but it seems when people don't want to hear what he's saying then it's pointless. For example the situation with Andi about the word default, after Andi insisted he said it, he said okay I said it, he apogized also for sayinghis it's okay's which seem to bug her so bad. He also did the same with Clare, he took responsibility for the rump in the ocean...he did not put it all on Clare but was saying it was a mistake. It seem like people take out only the parts they want to hear. When he touch the ladies face and say listen to me is not him ordering tjem but trying to get attention so he can explain himsef and make them feel better, some men are like that and it's not about demanding.

It is a lot more complicated than that.  I realize I am only seeing edited TV, but there are patterns in view that I KNOW from personal experience are NOT indications of a man who knows how to be in a sincere and serious relationship in anything resembling a healthy way. IF he really is like he's been shown to be on TV, and how he comes across in his tweets, he simply has a lot to learn about interpersonal relationships and American culture.  

ITA with the bold.   What bothers me most is that he doesn't seem interested in learning about American culture.  I bare say if people started tweeting mean, rude things about Venezuelan culture he would be screaming and not accepting the response of "relax" "different culture"

What is even more confusing to me is why, if tptb picked JuanP to be their "minority" Bachelor, did they pick that group of 27 women for him to choose from?  Who exactly did they have in mind when choosing those women for the Bachelor?  I would have to say that it certainly was not JuanP, because of the lack of diverisity among the 27 women chosen.  How many of them actually spoke or even understood Spanish?

I would have thought - that instead of trying to fit JuanP into a preconceived role, which seems to be exactly the same as all the Bachelors who went before him - that they would have crafted an entirely different show, if the powers to be were actually looking to put to rest the "lack of any minority leads" debate that has gone on for quite some time.  Instead, it appears that they are punishing JuanP for not sticking to the age old theme of the show.  So, if there is blame to be placed, then I would say that choosing JuanP as the lead was not a well thought out decision on their part, and they are now trying to deflect all the blame onto JuanP.  And I will add that this is just my opinion.

ITA, and a wonderful opinion it is. I think they're doing it so the viewers won't want another minority leader.

LF and PB, I think we all agree. I think TPTB like their mold and are too lazy to try to change anything. This could have been very interesting since as we saw with Sharleen, JPG has an interest in cultural and different things. The most ethnic bachelorette was the amazing drunk Victoria. I personally don't like the bachelorettes for this season. I liked the five he liked except for Clare. The rest were just plain boring, I don't know that Sean could have even done any better with this group. I kind of wonder if they had started to dislike his stubbornness and honesty even before filming, but since they announced him earlier than any other bachelor, they were stuck with him. I kind of wonder if they picked most of this group to make it difficult for him to pretend?

I will still watch this show, mostly to share with people on the boards I like to chat with, but after finding some success in making couples the last few shows it seems like they just wanted to skewer the lead this time. I really don't know what to expect with Andi.

I am excited for this to end. I don't like CH and TPTB, any possible warm feelings developed by the success of Ashley and JP, Sean and Cat, and even Des and Chris are gone for me. They just lucked out there, to me it is obvious these people really don't give a crap about love. And really want to make fools of people instead.

eliza3 wrote:

dw_a_mom wrote:

pbmax wrote:

dw_a_mom wrote:

eliza3 wrote:I simply think that if he had said something to the affect that while it means something different in his country he understands the difference and apologizes if he offended anyone that would have diffused the situation….but he didn't.   His response when chastised is to blame it on the culture difference instead of trying to learn the lessons from this country where he lives.

He is incredibly bad at diffusing difficult situations or at validating anyone's feelings but his own, it seems.

It's OK to stumble into it when you don't know a language really well, but his explanations too often make everything worse.  All he has to learn is to say, "I am sorry, that is not what I thought I was saying and not what I meant!"  <---- memorize this, Juan Pablo.  Repeat.  Then stop talking.

He does know how but it seems when people don't want to hear what he's saying then it's pointless. For example the situation with Andi about the word default, after Andi insisted he said it, he said okay I said it, he apogized also for sayinghis it's okay's which seem to bug her so bad. He also did the same with Clare, he took responsibility for the rump in the ocean...he did not put it all on Clare but was saying it was a mistake. It seem like people take out only the parts they want to hear. When he touch the ladies face and say listen to me is not him ordering tjem but trying to get attention so he can explain himsef and make them feel better, some men are like that and it's not about demanding.

It is a lot more complicated than that.  I realize I am only seeing edited TV, but there are patterns in view that I KNOW from personal experience are NOT indications of a man who knows how to be in a sincere and serious relationship in anything resembling a healthy way. IF he really is like he's been shown to be on TV, and how he comes across in his tweets, he simply has a lot to learn about interpersonal relationships and American culture.  

ITA with the bold.   What bothers me most is that he doesn't seem interested in learning about American culture.  I bare say if people started tweeting mean, rude things about Venezuelan culture he would be screaming and not accepting the response of "relax" "different culture"

Honestly, "American culture" is taking the argument a bit too far. I am 100% American, whatever that is - all of our ancestors came from other places - we are a melting pot. Growing up in the 60's and 70's the "r" word was used often in school yards and not once was used for someone mentally challenged - it was used for someone without intellect or behaving without intellect. <---there were other words I could use but everyone has already ruled those descriptors are not PC either. We never picked on the handicapped, just used the word for bone headed individuals. Venezuela is not alone in using the word and at one point it was not politically incorrect to use the word. We also used the word dill-hole for some folks. Shoot me now.  :shocked!:  I am sure many people think that JuanPa has a lot to learn about their idea of what is acceptable in "their" society. The area in which he lives would have no issue with any of the things we have discussed here. I lived in Miami for decades. People in the South take issue with people from the North, many in the North assume all Southerners are like Duck Dynasty. I have lived in Miami, San Francisco and Georgia. You can make it anywhere - you just cannot force others to conform to your idea of what is acceptable. The man is not a rapist or serial killer. He may or may not be looking for a wife, I really do not care. I just think we have gone around the bend picking him and each other apart. Vive le difference.

ImeldaMarcos wrote:

Honestly, "American culture" is taking the argument a bit too far. I am 100% American, whatever that is - all of our ancestors came from other places - we are a melting pot. Growing up in the 60's and 70's the "r" word was used often in school yards and not once was used for someone mentally challenged - it was used for someone without intellect or behaving without intellect. <---there were other words I could use but everyone has already ruled those descriptors are not PC either. We never picked on the handicapped, just used the word for bone headed individuals. Venezuela is not alone in using the word and at one point it was not politically incorrect to use the word. We also used the word dill-hole for some folks. Shoot me now.  :shocked!:  I am sure many people think that JuanPa has a lot to learn about their idea of what is acceptable in "their" society. The area in which he lives would have no issue with any of the things we have discussed here. I lived in Miami for decades. People in the South take issue with people from the North, many in the North assume all Southerners are like Duck Dynasty. I have lived in Miami, San Francisco and Georgia. You can make it anywhere - you just cannot force others to conform to your idea of what is acceptable. The man is not a rapist or serial killer. He may or may not be looking for a wife, I really do not care. I just think we have gone around the bend picking him and each other apart. Vive le difference.

     

ImeldaMarcos wrote:

eliza3 wrote:

dw_a_mom wrote:

pbmax wrote:

dw_a_mom wrote:

eliza3 wrote:I simply think that if he had said something to the affect that while it means something different in his country he understands the difference and apologizes if he offended anyone that would have diffused the situation….but he didn't.   His response when chastised is to blame it on the culture difference instead of trying to learn the lessons from this country where he lives.

He is incredibly bad at diffusing difficult situations or at validating anyone's feelings but his own, it seems.

It's OK to stumble into it when you don't know a language really well, but his explanations too often make everything worse.  All he has to learn is to say, "I am sorry, that is not what I thought I was saying and not what I meant!"  <---- memorize this, Juan Pablo.  Repeat.  Then stop talking.

He does know how but it seems when people don't want to hear what he's saying then it's pointless. For example the situation with Andi about the word default, after Andi insisted he said it, he said okay I said it, he apogized also for sayinghis it's okay's which seem to bug her so bad. He also did the same with Clare, he took responsibility for the rump in the ocean...he did not put it all on Clare but was saying it was a mistake. It seem like people take out only the parts they want to hear. When he touch the ladies face and say listen to me is not him ordering tjem but trying to get attention so he can explain himsef and make them feel better, some men are like that and it's not about demanding.

It is a lot more complicated than that.  I realize I am only seeing edited TV, but there are patterns in view that I KNOW from personal experience are NOT indications of a man who knows how to be in a sincere and serious relationship in anything resembling a healthy way. IF he really is like he's been shown to be on TV, and how he comes across in his tweets, he simply has a lot to learn about interpersonal relationships and American culture.  

ITA with the bold.   What bothers me most is that he doesn't seem interested in learning about American culture.  I bare say if people started tweeting mean, rude things about Venezuelan culture he would be screaming and not accepting the response of "relax" "different culture"

Honestly, "American culture" is taking the argument a bit too far. I am 100% American, whatever that is - all of our ancestors came from other places - we are a melting pot. Growing up in the 60's and 70's the "r" word was used often in school yards and not once was used for someone mentally challenged - it was used for someone without intellect or behaving without intellect. <---there were other words I could use but everyone has already ruled those descriptors are not PC either. We never picked on the handicapped, just used the word for bone headed individuals. Venezuela is not alone in using the word and at one point it was not politically incorrect to use the word. We also used the word dill-hole for some folks. Shoot me now.  :shocked!:  I am sure many people think that JuanPa has a lot to learn about their idea of what is acceptable in "their" society. The area in which he lives would have no issue with any of the things we have discussed here. I lived in Miami for decades. People in the South take issue with people from the North, many in the North assume all Southerners are like Duck Dynasty. I have lived in Miami, San Francisco and Georgia. You can make it anywhere - you just cannot force others to conform to your idea of what is acceptable. The man is not a rapist or serial killer. He may or may not be looking for a wife, I really do not care. I just think we have gone around the bend picking him and each other apart. Vive le difference.

 :cutesmile!: In Louisiana they call people coon asses who they don't think are the brightest crayon in the box. Where I am from we call people dip stick etc etc etc for people we consider on the less bright side. I would never refer to a mentally challenged person as a intellectually disabled but years ago they did call them retarded. It has now been changed to mentally challenged. I used to take some boys to soccer practice who used the intellectually disabled word and was allowed by their parents to use it and told them they wouldn't want their sister to be called that so don't call others that it isn't acceptable.

We are human beings and sometime we say things we shouldn't. Saying the "R" word would be as bad as telling gossip that would hurt someone it is all one in the same. Wrong is wrong. All we can do is strive to do better. Learn from our mistakes.

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umngirl wrote:

atem wrote:

umngirl wrote:

atem wrote:Didn't Desiree start following this lady toward the end of her season?  

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Clare is following her now.  It was some time ago, so no worries if you don't recall.

She's simply a PR lady who sends stuff to lots of people from the franchise. She sends stuff to Sean and Catherine, Desiree, Kacie, and Renee to name a few.

She's not that kind of PR lady, she's more of a brand PR lady than a personal one. She sends goodies to this people and then they tweet/IG it.

Oh, I was wondering if Clare was going to be doing something that needed a PR person.

Oh, I see what you mean now.  Weird.

Might be part of all that free stuff popular "Bachelor" women get. Jason and Molly talked about it when Chris and Des were on, about how hundreds of packages arrive for the women each year (and only one or two for the guys, lol).

Longhornfan wrote:

What is even more confusing to me is why, if tptb picked JuanP to be their "minority" Bachelor, did they pick that group of 27 women for him to choose from?  Who exactly did they have in mind when choosing those women for the Bachelor?  I would have to say that it certainly was not JuanP, because of the lack of diverisity among the 27 women chosen.  How many of them actually spoke or even understood Spanish?

I would have thought - that instead of trying to fit JuanP into a preconceived role, which seems to be exactly the same as all the Bachelors who went before him - that they would have crafted an entirely different show, if the powers to be were actually looking to put to rest the "lack of any minority leads" debate that has gone on for quite some time.  Instead, it appears that they are punishing JuanP for not sticking to the age old theme of the show.  So, if there is blame to be placed, then I would say that choosing JuanP as the lead was not a well thought out decision on their part, and they are now trying to deflect all the blame onto JuanP.  And I will add that this is just my opinion.

They cast with very little thought for who will be the Bachelor. Of 25, you can assume that no more than 5 were cast with the actual lead in mind in any way. Most are cast before a lead is even chosen. For the rest, they choose from a limited pool they have already narrowed down to.

ImeldaMarcos wrote:

Honestly, "American culture" is taking the argument a bit too far. I am 100% American, whatever that is - all of our ancestors came from other places - we are a melting pot. Growing up in the 60's and 70's the "r" word was used often in school yards and not once was used for someone mentally challenged - it was used for someone without intellect or behaving without intellect. <---there were other words I could use but everyone has already ruled those descriptors are not PC either. We never picked on the handicapped, just used the word for bone headed individuals. Venezuela is not alone in using the word and at one point it was not politically incorrect to use the word. We also used the word dill-hole for some folks. Shoot me now.  :shocked!:  I am sure many people think that JuanPa has a lot to learn about their idea of what is acceptable in "their" society. The area in which he lives would have no issue with any of the things we have discussed here. I lived in Miami for decades. People in the South take issue with people from the North, many in the North assume all Southerners are like Duck Dynasty. I have lived in Miami, San Francisco and Georgia. You can make it anywhere - you just cannot force others to conform to your idea of what is acceptable. The man is not a rapist or serial killer. He may or may not be looking for a wife, I really do not care. I just think we have gone around the bend picking him and each other apart. Vive le difference.

I realize there are all sorts of variations in American culture, but some social rules are relatively universal, and he, himself, implies that his being from somewhere else is why he doesn't always get it right. To be honest, I think allowing for "cultural differences" as an explanation is actually being generous to him.

I don't dislike Juan at all, but I AM amazed at times by the way he handles things and how he seems to think that what he has done is OK. When he was telling Claire she had to stop crying or he would stop telling her things, I sooo wanted her to stand up to him and tell him that was no way to build a relationship, and defend her right to feel as she is going to feel.

Hey, none of us know him and I can't say that any impressions I've gotten from TV are accurate, or that they reflect at all on the "real" him. But to not acknowledge that some of the things he has been shown saying and doing on TV are common red flags would be doing a disservice to women trying to understand their own relationships.

dw_a_mom wrote:

Longhornfan wrote:

What is even more confusing to me is why, if tptb picked JuanP to be their "minority" Bachelor, did they pick that group of 27 women for him to choose from?  Who exactly did they have in mind when choosing those women for the Bachelor?  I would have to say that it certainly was not JuanP, because of the lack of diverisity among the 27 women chosen.  How many of them actually spoke or even understood Spanish?

I would have thought - that instead of trying to fit JuanP into a preconceived role, which seems to be exactly the same as all the Bachelors who went before him - that they would have crafted an entirely different show, if the powers to be were actually looking to put to rest the "lack of any minority leads" debate that has gone on for quite some time.  Instead, it appears that they are punishing JuanP for not sticking to the age old theme of the show.  So, if there is blame to be placed, then I would say that choosing JuanP as the lead was not a well thought out decision on their part, and they are now trying to deflect all the blame onto JuanP.  And I will add that this is just my opinion.

They cast with very little thought for who will be the Bachelor.  Of 25, you can assume that no more than 5 were cast with the actual lead in mind in any way.  Most are cast before a lead is even chosen.  For the rest, they choose from a limited pool they have already narrowed down to.  

They were diverse for him as he stated in an interview that he had only dated Latino women. One the first night he eliminated most of the women with Latino background except for Victoria, Lucy, and Clare. In an interview, Lucy said she thought none of their conversations aired as they were mostly in Spanish. I would consider Sharleen to fit the diverse mold (Canadian of mixed ancestry some of which is not Caucasian) as well as Chantel & Danielle. So, after the first night he had these 6 plus - oh oh, I can't remember the total.
Add to this info on his own ancestry (someone posted a bio of his dad) which is Spanish & German with several generations acculturated into the Venezuelan social dynamic (there are significant differences within South America). In my family (now 4 generations here), there are still some traditions and probably trait legacies that trace back to our European roots. The same may apply to JP meaning that he may have related on some level to someone with a German background.

From this tweet, it doesn't look like JP is in the safe house.

Juan Pablo Galavis™ ‏@JuanPaGalavis  23m
Road Trip with @marquezparis... #Ñoelamaaaaa pic.twitter.com/ddHOmlbHMX

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The like the lead and F1 to be apart the weekend before ATFR- so the reunion is more passionate. I remember Catherine was seen in the Seattle airport the night before- for once she didn't need to keep her trip a secret.

Juan Pa will have seen the finale- up to the final rose ceremony. He won't get to see that until they watch it together during ATFR- not as the audience watches during the finale (or, if he's alone, he'll watch it only with CH).

jcrbil wrote:The like the lead and F1 to be apart the weekend before ATFR- so the reunion is more passionate.  I remember Catherine was seen in the Seattle airport the night before- for once she didn't need to keep her trip a secret.

Juan Pa will have seen the finale- up to the final rose ceremony.  He won't get to see that until they watch it together during ATFR- not as the audience watches during the finale  (or, if he's alone, he'll watch it only with CH).

When do they do the People Mag shoot?