Bachelor 18 - Tweet/Facebook Updates - Discussion

jcrbil wrote:I don't know for sure, but I would think it would have been their last visit together.

jcrbil wrote:The like the lead and F1 to be apart the weekend before ATFR- so the reunion is more passionate.  I remember Catherine was seen in the Seattle airport the night before- for once she didn't need to keep her trip a secret.

Juan Pa will have seen the finale- up to the final rose ceremony.  He won't get to see that until they watch it together during ATFR- not as the audience watches during the finale  (or, if he's alone, he'll watch it only with CH).

Longhornfan wrote:

eliza3 wrote:

dw_a_mom wrote:

pbmax wrote:

dw_a_mom wrote:

eliza3 wrote:I simply think that if he had said something to the affect that while it means something different in his country he understands the difference and apologizes if he offended anyone that would have diffused the situation….but he didn't.   His response when chastised is to blame it on the culture difference instead of trying to learn the lessons from this country where he lives.

He is incredibly bad at diffusing difficult situations or at validating anyone's feelings but his own, it seems.

It's OK to stumble into it when you don't know a language really well, but his explanations too often make everything worse.  All he has to learn is to say, "I am sorry, that is not what I thought I was saying and not what I meant!"  <---- memorize this, Juan Pablo.  Repeat.  Then stop talking.

He does know how but it seems when people don't want to hear what he's saying then it's pointless. For example the situation with Andi about the word default, after Andi insisted he said it, he said okay I said it, he apogized also for sayinghis it's okay's which seem to bug her so bad. He also did the same with Clare, he took responsibility for the rump in the ocean...he did not put it all on Clare but was saying it was a mistake. It seem like people take out only the parts they want to hear. When he touch the ladies face and say listen to me is not him ordering tjem but trying to get attention so he can explain himsef and make them feel better, some men are like that and it's not about demanding.

It is a lot more complicated than that.  I realize I am only seeing edited TV, but there are patterns in view that I KNOW from personal experience are NOT indications of a man who knows how to be in a sincere and serious relationship in anything resembling a healthy way. IF he really is like he's been shown to be on TV, and how he comes across in his tweets, he simply has a lot to learn about interpersonal relationships and American culture.  

ITA with the bold.   What bothers me most is that he doesn't seem interested in learning about American culture.  I bare say if people started tweeting mean, rude things about Venezuelan culture he would be screaming and not accepting the response of "relax" "different culture"

What is even more confusing to me is why, if tptb picked JuanP to be their "minority" Bachelor, did they pick that group of 27 women for him to choose from?  Who exactly did they have in mind when choosing those women for the Bachelor?  I would have to say that it certainly was not JuanP, because of the lack of diverisity among the 27 women chosen.  How many of them actually spoke or even understood Spanish?

I would have thought - that instead of trying to fit JuanP into a preconceived role, which seems to be exactly the same as all the Bachelors who went before him - that they would have crafted an entirely different show, if the powers to be were actually looking to put to rest the "lack of any minority leads" debate that has gone on for quite some time.  Instead, it appears that they are punishing JuanP for not sticking to the age old theme of the show.  So, if there is blame to be placed, then I would say that choosing JuanP as the lead was not a well thought out decision on their part, and they are now trying to deflect all the blame onto JuanP.  And I will add that this is just my opinion.

ImeldaMarcos wrote:

eliza3 wrote:

dw_a_mom wrote:

pbmax wrote:

dw_a_mom wrote:

eliza3 wrote:I simply think that if he had said something to the affect that while it means something different in his country he understands the difference and apologizes if he offended anyone that would have diffused the situation….but he didn't.   His response when chastised is to blame it on the culture difference instead of trying to learn the lessons from this country where he lives.

He is incredibly bad at diffusing difficult situations or at validating anyone's feelings but his own, it seems.

It's OK to stumble into it when you don't know a language really well, but his explanations too often make everything worse.  All he has to learn is to say, "I am sorry, that is not what I thought I was saying and not what I meant!"  <---- memorize this, Juan Pablo.  Repeat.  Then stop talking.

He does know how but it seems when people don't want to hear what he's saying then it's pointless. For example the situation with Andi about the word default, after Andi insisted he said it, he said okay I said it, he apogized also for sayinghis it's okay's which seem to bug her so bad. He also did the same with Clare, he took responsibility for the rump in the ocean...he did not put it all on Clare but was saying it was a mistake. It seem like people take out only the parts they want to hear. When he touch the ladies face and say listen to me is not him ordering tjem but trying to get attention so he can explain himsef and make them feel better, some men are like that and it's not about demanding.

It is a lot more complicated than that.  I realize I am only seeing edited TV, but there are patterns in view that I KNOW from personal experience are NOT indications of a man who knows how to be in a sincere and serious relationship in anything resembling a healthy way. IF he really is like he's been shown to be on TV, and how he comes across in his tweets, he simply has a lot to learn about interpersonal relationships and American culture.  

ITA with the bold.   What bothers me most is that he doesn't seem interested in learning about American culture.  I bare say if people started tweeting mean, rude things about Venezuelan culture he would be screaming and not accepting the response of "relax" "different culture"

Honestly, "American culture" is taking the argument a bit too far. I am 100% American, whatever that is - all of our ancestors came from other places - we are a melting pot. Growing up in the 60's and 70's the "r" word was used often in school yards and not once was used for someone mentally challenged - it was used for someone without intellect or behaving without intellect. <---there were other words I could use but everyone has already ruled those descriptors are not PC either. We never picked on the handicapped, just used the word for bone headed individuals. Venezuela is not alone in using the word and at one point it was not politically incorrect to use the word. We also used the word dill-hole for some folks. Shoot me now.  :shocked!:  I am sure many people think that JuanPa has a lot to learn about their idea of what is acceptable in "their" society. The area in which he lives would have no issue with any of the things we have discussed here. I lived in Miami for decades. People in the South take issue with people from the North, many in the North assume all Southerners are like Duck Dynasty. I have lived in Miami, San Francisco and Georgia. You can make it anywhere - you just cannot force others to conform to your idea of what is acceptable. The man is not a rapist or serial killer. He may or may not be looking for a wife, I really do not care. I just think we have gone around the bend picking him and each other apart. Vive le difference.

Maggenzm wrote:

ImeldaMarcos wrote:

eliza3 wrote:

dw_a_mom wrote:

pbmax wrote:

dw_a_mom wrote:

eliza3 wrote:I simply think that if he had said something to the affect that while it means something different in his country he understands the difference and apologizes if he offended anyone that would have diffused the situation….but he didn't.   His response when chastised is to blame it on the culture difference instead of trying to learn the lessons from this country where he lives.

He is incredibly bad at diffusing difficult situations or at validating anyone's feelings but his own, it seems.

It's OK to stumble into it when you don't know a language really well, but his explanations too often make everything worse.  All he has to learn is to say, "I am sorry, that is not what I thought I was saying and not what I meant!"  <---- memorize this, Juan Pablo.  Repeat.  Then stop talking.

He does know how but it seems when people don't want to hear what he's saying then it's pointless. For example the situation with Andi about the word default, after Andi insisted he said it, he said okay I said it, he apogized also for sayinghis it's okay's which seem to bug her so bad. He also did the same with Clare, he took responsibility for the rump in the ocean...he did not put it all on Clare but was saying it was a mistake. It seem like people take out only the parts they want to hear. When he touch the ladies face and say listen to me is not him ordering tjem but trying to get attention so he can explain himsef and make them feel better, some men are like that and it's not about demanding.

It is a lot more complicated than that.  I realize I am only seeing edited TV, but there are patterns in view that I KNOW from personal experience are NOT indications of a man who knows how to be in a sincere and serious relationship in anything resembling a healthy way. IF he really is like he's been shown to be on TV, and how he comes across in his tweets, he simply has a lot to learn about interpersonal relationships and American culture.  

ITA with the bold.   What bothers me most is that he doesn't seem interested in learning about American culture.  I bare say if people started tweeting mean, rude things about Venezuelan culture he would be screaming and not accepting the response of "relax" "different culture"

Honestly, "American culture" is taking the argument a bit too far. I am 100% American, whatever that is - all of our ancestors came from other places - we are a melting pot. Growing up in the 60's and 70's the "r" word was used often in school yards and not once was used for someone mentally challenged - it was used for someone without intellect or behaving without intellect. <---there were other words I could use but everyone has already ruled those descriptors are not PC either. We never picked on the handicapped, just used the word for bone headed individuals. Venezuela is not alone in using the word and at one point it was not politically incorrect to use the word. We also used the word dill-hole for some folks. Shoot me now.  :shocked!:  I am sure many people think that JuanPa has a lot to learn about their idea of what is acceptable in "their" society. The area in which he lives would have no issue with any of the things we have discussed here. I lived in Miami for decades. People in the South take issue with people from the North, many in the North assume all Southerners are like Duck Dynasty. I have lived in Miami, San Francisco and Georgia. You can make it anywhere - you just cannot force others to conform to your idea of what is acceptable. The man is not a rapist or serial killer. He may or may not be looking for a wife, I really do not care. I just think we have gone around the bend picking him and each other apart. Vive le difference.

Amen Imilda! Nicely said! I say we should leave the man alone. Enough is enough!!

glazedover wrote:I agree with you wholeheartedly when you are talking about people in a real world setting. The only mitigating factor for me as regards JPa's response is that, if I had hundreds of people I do not know attacking me on TWITTER, I would not give a rat' patootie about responding to their feelings about anything. And I would not bother to sort out those who were nice and those who were not. Everyone on social media seems to think they "know" the people they follow and are entitled to be treated as if there was actually a relationship there.

livlafluv1 wrote:JP just put up on his IG a selfie pointing to the Forever Grand a Wedding Chapel in Vegas. What a jokester   

notarose wrote:

livlafluv1 wrote:JP just put up on his IG a selfie pointing to the Forever Grand a Wedding Chapel in Vegas. What a jokester   

As in "I want my forever..."?