Re: Drew Kenney - Bachelorette 9 Contestant - Discussion - Thread #5

[SueSt]

Sue,

You said it before I had a chance. But I will just chime in and agree!  I didn't get the adjectives and verbs and the talk about the emotional process. As Ariel said so well, too much cerebral talk, rather than just from the heart and feelings about love.  I believe when you know, you know. It's not complicated, it's not analytical, it's not difficult. When you find love it is the most powerful emotion human beings experience.  It's even hard to describe it in words. It's not about being intellectual. It's about passion and closeness and intensity and intimacy and a sharing.  This is what I am not seeing with Brooks and Des.  I do believe that Des has real feelings for Brooks. I just don't see the same from him.  

Native, love your love description... "passion and closeness and intensity and intimacy and a sharing"... I would add vulnerability.   And that's what I see Drew, in particular, is offering that may have Des backing off in fear... I mean that vulnerability piece is very scary.  And I said it earlier, chasing Brooks would prevent Des from being able to be vulnerable.  Vulnerability only comes with deep trust... and I mean, how can you trust someone that hasn't yet committed?

Sue,

I get the feeling that I knew you in another life! Thanks for adding vulnerability. I actually thought that I put that in there, but reading it back I realized that I left it out.  You are correct that Drew is offering Des vulnerability. For a guy who doesn't let people in that easily, he has now just put it all out on the line.  However, you make a good point in saying that this very vulnerability could be what scares Des.  Maybe that's why she likes to be the one doing the chasing.  

Your last sentence should be cut and pasted somewhere special so I will always remember it.  Beautifully said!  It gave me the chills.  

Native, what a sweet response. Back at you! (by the by, I'm a native NYer too so maybe that's it! :-)
I love your phrase that Drew "put it all on the line"... so true; the sweet boy is all in... I'm starting to fear him getting his heart broken... the only solace I'll have if he does is that recent pictures of him out and about show him looking handsome and happy.

[SueSt]

Did you all hear what she said when leaving Drew ? I could barely hear. But one thing I definitely heard was when he said I love you for the second time and kissed her, then said thank you she said thank you back.
There was another thing she whispered but I couldn't hear.

I know the moment you are talking about. This is when I wish that I had not deleted my recording!  

Someone please tell me that this scene is not seriously intense body language and intimacy! Yet Des doesn't say anything in her blogs about Drew and also doesn't say anything about feelings for Drew to CH!  Am I going crazy? That is distinctly possible!       

This is exactly why I'm having a hard time believing Drew is F1...not only is she not saying anything to Chris or in her blogs about how she feels, but they aren't even attributing VOs or PIs to Drew about her talking about her feelings for him. Its just him narrating his own journey.

And to go back to her conversations with Chris H, here's what she says about Drew when they chat about her relationships...we have very clear declarations regarding Brooks and Chris.

Even if we assume that Brooks is gone at F3, her feelings for Drew would need to leapfrog over hers for Chris and given what she has been saying I just don't see it. Her comments about Drew are very nice but lack substance about her feelings. Compare that with what she is saying on camera about Brooks and Chris and there is no comparison. Don't see how she does a complete 360 in Antigua. You also can't ignore the beach shots of her crying next to Drew and him looking a little shellshocked.

Germany - No mention of Drew at all.

Portugal - "Drew is the best looking guy I have ever met but what's so great about him is that he is so sincere in everything he does and you can just see through his eyes how kind he is. (CH: is he husband material) Oh yeah (CH: But he is husband material for you?) That's what I am finding out I really have to discerne my feelings each day to see how I feel about each guy

HTD - "Drew did tells me he loves me. He said it boldly and wasn't hiding it. It was really bold. I can definitely see a potential there"[/i]

Per your bolded comments, I've noticed this too and find it very strange.  Since Des' positive body language around Drew (touching, hugging, kissing, etc...) is unmistakable, I have to believe it's some kind of editing that is keeping her comments about Drew from us... Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense!  It's interesting that since airing ABC has posted a number of deleted scenes between Des and Drew which show them building their relationship... so on some level the editors are working to keep their relationship from us... is it because they are together now???  who knows, but it is curious.

[SueSt]

Sue,

You said it before I had a chance. But I will just chime in and agree!  I didn't get the adjectives and verbs and the talk about the emotional process. As Ariel said so well, too much cerebral talk, rather than just from the heart and feelings about love.  I believe when you know, you know. It's not complicated, it's not analytical, it's not difficult. When you find love it is the most powerful emotion human beings experience.  It's even hard to describe it in words. It's not about being intellectual. It's about passion and closeness and intensity and intimacy and a sharing.  This is what I am not seeing with Brooks and Des.  I do believe that Des has real feelings for Brooks. I just don't see the same from him.  

Native, love your love description... "passion and closeness and intensity and intimacy and a sharing"... I would add vulnerability.   And that's what I see Drew, in particular, is offering that may have Des backing off in fear... I mean that vulnerability piece is very scary.  And I said it earlier, chasing Brooks would prevent Des from being able to be vulnerable.  Vulnerability only comes with deep trust... and I mean, how can you trust someone that hasn't yet committed?

Sue,

I get the feeling that I knew you in another life! Thanks for adding vulnerability. I actually thought that I put that in there, but reading it back I realized that I left it out.  You are correct that Drew is offering Des vulnerability. For a guy who doesn't let people in that easily, he has now just put it all out on the line.  However, you make a good point in saying that this very vulnerability could be what scares Des.  Maybe that's why she likes to be the one doing the chasing.  

Your last sentence should be cut and pasted somewhere special so I will always remember it.  Beautifully said!  It gave me the chills.  

OMG!!  I think that you both have summed it up in a nutshell.  I know from first hand experience that you can only let yourself become vunerable if you feel like you can completely TRUST the other person.  And it is terribly scary for someone like me.  By putting your trust in that other person, you can then LET GO and let things happen naturally.  

Also, this would help to explain why Des is probably more comfortable doing the chasing, than she is with being the one chased.  "Letting go" is losing control of the situation, whereas you at least can maintain the control - if YOU are doing the chasing.

Right on, sister Longhorn... I've been there too! Drew is such a catch - vulnerable, emotional, communicative, sweet. I think Des is starting to 'let him in'.... we'll see if she can put her trust in him, as you've said and let go... now THAT would be a love story I could get behind!!

[SueSt]

regardless of  whatever else she fees she trusts Drew ! That was one emotion she put forth clear in  her blog as well - no room for doubt on this one. Trust.

Since nearly everything else has hit the editing floor I would have thought they would have edited that differently and that would change since the finale - if he left. But for her to say that she trusts him at the current moment (in RT) is telling IMO. That and the whole Kind-hearted thing. I've been saying this for a while now and a few others have as well. If Drew dumped on her OR gave her anything of a hard time during his FD/LCD - she would have used another adjective for him like intellegent or good body or something less personal which could have applied to any of her top 10 guys who btw are all intellegent with good bodies.
No - she stuck to the same description that she had of him from almost the begining. No change in from then to now.

Really good point ND.

[SueSt]

Drew, the guy who refused to go away! I love his perseverance   

yes, yes, yes!!!

[pavalygurl]

Sue,

You said it before I had a chance. But I will just chime in and agree!  I didn't get the adjectives and verbs and the talk about the emotional process. As Ariel said so well, too much cerebral talk, rather than just from the heart and feelings about love.  I believe when you know, you know. It's not complicated, it's not analytical, it's not difficult. When you find love it is the most powerful emotion human beings experience.  It's even hard to describe it in words. It's not about being intellectual. It's about passion and closeness and intensity and intimacy and a sharing.  This is what I am not seeing with Brooks and Des.  I do believe that Des has real feelings for Brooks. I just don't see the same from him.  

Native, love your love description... "passion and closeness and intensity and intimacy and a sharing"... I would add vulnerability.   And that's what I see Drew, in particular, is offering that may have Des backing off in fear... I mean that vulnerability piece is very scary.  And I said it earlier, chasing Brooks would prevent Des from being able to be vulnerable.  Vulnerability only comes with deep trust... and I mean, how can you trust someone that hasn't yet committed?

Sue,

I get the feeling that I knew you in another life! Thanks for adding vulnerability. I actually thought that I put that in there, but reading it back I realized that I left it out.  You are correct that Drew is offering Des vulnerability. For a guy who doesn't let people in that easily, he has now just put it all out on the line.  However, you make a good point in saying that this very vulnerability could be what scares Des.  Maybe that's why she likes to be the one doing the chasing.  

Your last sentence should be cut and pasted somewhere special so I will always remember it.  Beautifully said!  It gave me the chills.  

OMG!!  I think that you both have summed it up in a nutshell.  I know from first hand experience that you can only let yourself become vunerable if you feel like you can completely TRUST the other person.  And it is terribly scary for someone like me.  By putting your trust in that other person, you can then LET GO and let things happen naturally.  

Also, this would help to explain why Des is probably more comfortable doing the chasing, than she is with being the one chased.  "Letting go" is losing control of the situation, whereas you at least can maintain the control - if YOU are doing the chasing.

Right on, sister Longhorn... I've been there too!  Drew is such a catch - vulnerable, emotional, communicative, sweet.  I think Des is starting to 'let him in'.... we'll see if she can put her trust in him, as you've said and let go... now THAT would be a love story I could get behind!!

Amen to the bolded.

[Mimi27]

Amen and amen.

[albean99]

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This is from Drew's dad's FB page.  I won't post any of the other pics but you can go look for yourself.
 https://www.facebook.com/Malkenney3?fref=st

[SueSt]

I reread Des' people blog about HTDs this afternoon... and it seemed to me she was definitely more positive about Drew's date than the others.
 
She noted about Drew:  
• His entire family was so loving and kind – the type of family you want to be around.
• I could see a more comfortable and charismatic side to him that I had been looking for.
• And the steamy kiss he laid on me as I left was quite memorable too!

Des’ statements about Chris' HTD:
• I enjoyed showing off my baseball skills
• It felt great to know where my relationship stood with Chris and that made me hopeful for the rest of the journey.

And Brooks:  
• It worried me that he still needed reassurance.
• I felt confident in my relationship with Brooks and couldn't wait to see him again.

To me, Des’ comments about Drew and their date use much more positive, personal and active descriptions (family loving and kind, he's charismatic, a great kisser) vs. Chris and Brooks’ more passive descriptions… ('know where my relationship stood', 'made me hopeful', 'worried me that he still needed reassurance', 'confident in my relationship', 'couldn't wait to see him again'... ok that last one is a little more active!! )  

So maybe there's evidence hidden here!!  

[SueSt]

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This is from Drew's dad's FB page.  I won't post any of the other pics but you can go look for yourself.
 https://www.facebook.com/Malkenney3?fref=st

thanks so much for the post and info albean... love the picture of the niece and nephew on the wall in the background - adorable!!

[2observe]

Did you all hear what she said when leaving Drew ? I could barely hear. But one thing I definitely heard was when he said I love you for the second time and kissed her, then said thank you she said thank you back.
There was another thing she whispered but I couldn't hear.

I know the moment you are talking about. This is when I wish that I had not deleted my recording!  

Someone please tell me that this scene is not seriously intense body language and intimacy! Yet Des doesn't say anything in her blogs about Drew and also doesn't say anything about feelings for Drew to CH!  Am I going crazy? That is distinctly possible!       

This is exactly why I'm having a hard time believing Drew is F1...not only is she not saying anything to Chris or in her blogs about how she feels, but they aren't even attributing VOs or PIs to Drew about her talking about her feelings for him. Its just him narrating his own journey.

And to go back to her conversations with Chris H, here's what she says about Drew when they chat about her relationships...we have very clear declarations regarding Brooks and Chris.

Even if we assume that Brooks is gone at F3, her feelings for Drew would need to leapfrog over hers for Chris and given what she has been saying I just don't see it. Her comments about Drew are very nice but lack substance about her feelings. Compare that with what she is saying on camera about Brooks and Chris and there is no comparison. Don't see how she does a complete 360 in Antigua. You also can't ignore the beach shots of her crying next to Drew and him looking a little shellshocked.

Germany - No mention of Drew at all.

Portugal - "Drew is the best looking guy I have ever met but what's so great about him is that he is so sincere in everything he does and you can just see through his eyes how kind he is. (CH: is he husband material) Oh yeah (CH: But he is husband material for you?) That's what I am finding out I really have to discerne my feelings each day to see how I feel about each guy

HTD - "Drew did tells me he loves me. He said it boldly and wasn't hiding it. It was really bold. I can definitely see a potential there"[/i]

And that is why Des' choosing Drew for F1 will seem like it came from out of left field.

[Kashathediva]

Ha entirely different twist for me after going to Drew's dad fb page. The dad is damn good looking---nuff said.

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