Re: The Final One (F1) - Bachelorette 9 - Spoilers - Thread #4

[Ariela]

But, maybe, it's any man's game depending on Des' emotional process after Brooks' departure.

Veg, your post and this comment reminded me of the early preview that had Des saying something to the effect that she wants a man who will stick through the tough times and never give up. I think there was discussion when it aired that it could be foreshadowing that Des will reject a guy who leaves but then tries to come back.

You're 100% right, but when it comes to end of the show emotions, ALL reasoning will fail. She had made solid decisions throughout the season, now comes a prize/challenge hard to get(Brooks). Psychologically speaking, the harder you work for something, the better it tastes. MF plays psychological games with these people.

I believe that the conversation Des has with Drew on the beach is about Brooks leaving and she'll be honest with Drew about it. Remember Drew's theme is HONESTY and TRUST. He'll appreciate her honesty, but Drew will have a difficult time swallowing it, and trust that Des can be there for him 100%. I think Drew is very protective, and the voice of reason for Des, even though he looks like a boy and is too far gone into Des, himself. He is very responsible and caring. Those are his traits from having to grow up quickly. Des is too far gone into Brooks-It can only be Brooks or nobody.

Again, you are correct-the only 2 who were there for Des were Chris and Drew. The future after the show will tell whether Brooks/Des foundation is strong, or they'll break up like everyone else. My opinion for my experience is that IF things aren't right from the beginning, it's only a matter of time that the monster( Brooks' lack of commitment) will rear its head in real life. But I wish them luck. They make a nice couple.

I like your post. Except for the fact that she did have an option to pick the nobody. Yet she carried on after Brooks sat in that limo.
That itself should saying something basic about her.

I am super curious to hear what exactly went down at that Verandah pier. And why, if he showed her some hesitation with the process did she not hug him and beg him to continue in the hope that he would come around ? He was pretty distraught talking about the worst day of his life etc. no changing things etc. so that tells me that it is not him that put himself in that limo. For him, it was just a conversation that they are not on the same page. But Des seemed to have pulled the plug. If it was he that did it (dumped her) himself then we would not have been shown an angsty Brooks.

So what does that say about her that she actually continued the "show" with the 2 other men knowing that she made the decision to cut Brooks and then presumably take him back at the end ? That makes no sense to me at all and brings everything into question. Sorry guys but it just does.

I think Des gets mad because Brooks is moving too slowly for her. She hears and sees everything in their relationship, but does not hear the ILY from Brooks. She sees if she can make it with the other 2 guys.... Meanwhile Brooks is going crazy, realizing he DOES love her....and comes back, and tells her so.

I agree with you about "taking him back". I wouldn't only because I know NOW as I'm older, and EXPERINCED, that things like that do NOT work out in real life. That's where the 6 months max dating after the show comes in.

[Guest]

But, maybe, it's any man's game depending on Des' emotional process after Brooks' departure.

Veg, your post and this comment reminded me of the early preview that had Des saying something to the effect that she wants a man who will stick through the tough times and never give up. I think there was discussion when it aired that it could be foreshadowing that Des will reject a guy who leaves but then tries to come back.

You're 100% right, but when it comes to end of the show emotions, ALL reasoning will fail. She had made solid decisions throughout the season, now comes a prize/challenge hard to get(Brooks). Psychologically speaking, the harder you work for something, the better it tastes. MF plays psychological games with these people.

I believe that the conversation Des has with Drew on the beach is about Brooks leaving and she'll be honest with Drew about it. Remember Drew's theme is HONESTY and TRUST. He'll appreciate her honesty, but Drew will have a difficult time swallowing it, and trust that Des can be there for him 100%. I think Drew is very protective, and the voice of reason for Des, even though he looks like a boy and is too far gone into Des, himself. He is very responsible and caring. Those are his traits from having to grow up quickly. Des is too far gone into Brooks-It can only be Brooks or nobody.

Again, you are correct-the only 2 who were there for Des were Chris and Drew. The future after the show will tell whether Brooks/Des foundation is strong, or they'll break up like everyone else. My opinion for my experience is that IF things aren't right from the beginning, it's only a matter of time that the monster( Brooks' lack of commitment) will rear its head in real life. But I wish them luck. They make a nice couple.

I like your post. Except for the fact that she did have an option to pick the nobody. Yet she carried on after Brooks sat in that limo.
That itself should saying something basic about her.

I am super curious to hear what exactly went down at that Verandah pier. And why, if he showed her some hesitation with the process did she not hug him and beg him to continue in the hope that he would come around ? He was pretty distraught talking about the worst day of his life etc. no changing things etc. so that tells me that it is not him that put himself in that limo. For him, it was just a conversation that they are not on the same page. But Des seemed to have pulled the plug. If it was he that did it (dumped her) himself then we would not have been shown an angsty Brooks.

So what does that say about her that she actually continued the "show" with the 2 other men knowing that she made the decision to cut Brooks and then presumably take him back at the end ? That makes no sense to me at all and brings everything into question. Sorry guys but it just does.

i second what BKay and Nd said. she can do no wrong. she wont take Brooks back.she will pick the guy who has stand by her, give her reassurance all along, has always been open and expressive, but at the same time has been solid rock for her.that is the guy in my avi  . We shall see  

[Mimi27]

Thanks, Sophie and Atem. I'm going bonkers trying to figure this out! Today's thought is, what if she gave the final rose to Drew or Chris, and then Brooks came back? It seems too cruel but fits with Fleiss' tweet. It would follow the Jason/Melissa/Molly storyline. MF doesn't care if people are happy; he wants it to be entertaining.

[Kashathediva]

But, maybe, it's any man's game depending on Des' emotional process after Brooks' departure.

Veg, your post and this comment reminded me of the early preview that had Des saying something to the effect that she wants a man who will stick through the tough times and never give up. I think there was discussion when it aired that it could be foreshadowing that Des will reject a guy who leaves but then tries to come back.

You're 100% right, but when it comes to end of the show emotions, ALL reasoning will fail. She had made solid decisions throughout the season, now comes a prize/challenge hard to get(Brooks). Psychologically speaking, the harder you work for something, the better it tastes. MF plays psychological games with these people.

I believe that the conversation Des has with Drew on the beach is about Brooks leaving and she'll be honest with Drew about it. Remember Drew's theme is HONESTY and TRUST. He'll appreciate her honesty, but Drew will have a difficult time swallowing it, and trust that Des can be there for him 100%. I think Drew is very protective, and the voice of reason for Des, even though he looks like a boy and is too far gone into Des, himself. He is very responsible and caring. Those are his traits from having to grow up quickly. Des is too far gone into Brooks-It can only be Brooks or nobody.

Again, you are correct-the only 2 who were there for Des were Chris and Drew. The future after the show will tell whether Brooks/Des foundation is strong, or they'll break up like everyone else. My opinion for my experience is that IF things aren't right from the beginning, it's only a matter of time that the monster( Brooks' lack of commitment) will rear its head in real life. But I wish them luck. They make a nice couple.

I like your post. Except for the fact that she did have an option to pick the nobody. Yet she carried on after Brooks sat in that limo.
That itself should saying something basic about her.

I am super curious to hear what exactly went down at that Verandah pier. And why, if he showed her some hesitation with the process did she not hug him and beg him to continue in the hope that he would come around ? He was pretty distraught talking about the worst day of his life etc. no changing things etc. so that tells me that it is not him that put himself in that limo. For him, it was just a conversation that they are not on the same page. But Des seemed to have pulled the plug. If it was he that did it (dumped her) himself then we would not have been shown an angsty Brooks.

So what does that say about her that she actually continued the "show" with the 2 other men knowing that she made the decision to cut Brooks and then presumably take him back at the end ? That makes no sense to me at all and brings everything into question. Sorry guys but it just does.

I am only replying to the bolded about "option to pick nobody".
What if she didn't have that option? Pure speculation on my part, but what if her contract says that she must pick someone at the end if only to give the final rose? What if walking away from it all is not an option??
Now maybe all the guys can walk away, but maybe Des contractually can not. Maybe the last guy standing can not opt out and that is why Brooks left knowing he could not opt out if he were the last guy standing, but could opt out earlier? Then perhaps he changes his mind and comes back. IDK--
But I have a feeling Des can not opt out.

[MiaHawk]

But, maybe, it's any man's game depending on Des' emotional process after Brooks' departure.

Veg, your post and this comment reminded me of the early preview that had Des saying something to the effect that she wants a man who will stick through the tough times and never give up. I think there was discussion when it aired that it could be foreshadowing that Des will reject a guy who leaves but then tries to come back.

You're 100% right, but when it comes to end of the show emotions, ALL reasoning will fail. She had made solid decisions throughout the season, now comes a prize/challenge hard to get(Brooks). Psychologically speaking, the harder you work for something, the better it tastes. MF plays psychological games with these people.

I believe that the conversation Des has with Drew on the beach is about Brooks leaving and she'll be honest with Drew about it. Remember Drew's theme is HONESTY and TRUST. He'll appreciate her honesty, but Drew will have a difficult time swallowing it, and trust that Des can be there for him 100%. I think Drew is very protective, and the voice of reason for Des, even though he looks like a boy and is too far gone into Des, himself. He is very responsible and caring. Those are his traits from having to grow up quickly. Des is too far gone into Brooks-It can only be Brooks or nobody.

Again, you are correct-the only 2 who were there for Des were Chris and Drew. The future after the show will tell whether Brooks/Des foundation is strong, or they'll break up like everyone else. My opinion for my experience is that IF things aren't right from the beginning, it's only a matter of time that the monster( Brooks' lack of commitment) will rear its head in real life. But I wish them luck. They make a nice couple.

I like your post. Except for the fact that she did have an option to pick the nobody. Yet she carried on after Brooks sat in that limo.
That itself should saying something basic about her.

I am super curious to hear what exactly went down at that Verandah pier. And why, if he showed her some hesitation with the process did she not hug him and beg him to continue in the hope that he would come around ? He was pretty distraught talking about the worst day of his life etc. no changing things etc. so that tells me that it is not him that put himself in that limo. For him, it was just a conversation that they are not on the same page. But Des seemed to have pulled the plug. If it was he that did it (dumped her) himself then we would not have been shown an angsty Brooks.

So what does that say about her that she actually continued the "show" with the 2 other men knowing that she made the decision to cut Brooks and then presumably take him back at the end ? That makes no sense to me at all and brings everything into question. Sorry guys but it just does.

i second what BKay and Nd said. she can do no wrong. she wont take Brooks back.she will pick the guy who has stand by her, give her reassurance all along, has always been open and expressive, but at the same time has been solid rock for her.that is the guy in my avi  . We shall see  

I think this latest YouTube craze may just be proof that you are correct and she does pick Chris: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyzEU0ot8hE  

[cfck2222]

Except for the fact that she did have an option to pick the nobody. Yet she carried on after Brooks sat in that limo.
That itself should saying something basic about her.
....
So what does that say about her that she actually continued the "show" with the 2 other men knowing that she made the decision to cut Brooks and then presumably take him back at the end ? That makes no sense to me at all and brings everything into question. Sorry guys but it just does.

Good point about whether Brooks's impending exit is really his decision or Desiree's, though I still think it's possible his exit was by his own impetus.

IF Brooks is F1, then in reality, the scenario you're posting would say "contractual obligations," and like I said in the Media thread, it would speak to the price Desiree was required to pay in exchange for having an obvious F1 in Brooks. Ashley and Ali were required to pay a price and forced to take some hits in exchange for the obvious F1. The option to pick nobody doesn't kick in at F3. It kicks in at the FRC, after the LCDs to showcase the tourism locales negotiated have taken place.

But of course, the show would edit a final storyline that showed 2 good guys trying to and maybe even seeming to succeed in filling the hole in Desiree's heart after Brooks's exit, boosting their candidacy to become F1 or the next Bachelor. Until presto bingo, Brooks has a change of heart (which will create its own credibility issues that that the show may or may not address).

Again, you are correct-the only 2 who were there for Des were Chris and Drew. The future after the show will tell whether Brooks/Des foundation is strong, or they'll break up like everyone else. My opinion for my experience is that IF things aren't right from the beginning, it's only a matter of time that the monster( Brooks' lack of commitment) will rear its head in real life. But I wish them luck. They make a nice couple.

Well, that's if Brooks' supposed lack of commitment in the context of the show is a real lack of commitment, rather than a producer-engineered storyline for drama. The producers do psychological profiles on these contestants and bargain with them on the basis of that. It's definitely possible that they picked up on Brooks's reservations as a fundamental, defining thing that's reason to be skeptical of whether the relationship will work. But it's just as possible they picked up on reservations that can be conveniently trumped up into a storyline a la JP's supposed major jealousy issues during Ashley H's season, and bargained/pushed Brooks's buttons to make his exit/return happen.

[nd4reality]

But, maybe, it's any man's game depending on Des' emotional process after Brooks' departure.

Veg, your post and this comment reminded me of the early preview that had Des saying something to the effect that she wants a man who will stick through the tough times and never give up. I think there was discussion when it aired that it could be foreshadowing that Des will reject a guy who leaves but then tries to come back.

Anyone remember which preview this is from ? TIA

[misticia]

But, maybe, it's any man's game depending on Des' emotional process after Brooks' departure.

Veg, your post and this comment reminded me of the early preview that had Des saying something to the effect that she wants a man who will stick through the tough times and never give up. I think there was discussion when it aired that it could be foreshadowing that Des will reject a guy who leaves but then tries to come back.

Anyone remember which preview this is from ? TIA

I think maybe BKay speaks about the episode 1 when CH interviews Des (in the beginning of the episode), her past relationships and what she looks for in a man. I remember she made a description of her dreamed man.

[nd4reality]

But, maybe, it's any man's game depending on Des' emotional process after Brooks' departure.

Veg, your post and this comment reminded me of the early preview that had Des saying something to the effect that she wants a man who will stick through the tough times and never give up. I think there was discussion when it aired that it could be foreshadowing that Des will reject a guy who leaves but then tries to come back.

Anyone remember which preview this is from ? TIA

I think maybe BKay speaks about the episode 1 when CH interviews Des (in the beginning of the episode), her past relationships and what she looks for in a man. I remember she made a description of her dreamed man.

Ok thanks. I remember Des tweeting some girl about relationships with the advice "don't settle" so I wonder how she handled taking back a guy who was hesitant and whom she put into the back of a limo at the time he proposed.
If someone could dig up the exact tweet that would be great.

[misticia]

But, maybe, it's any man's game depending on Des' emotional process after Brooks' departure.

Veg, your post and this comment reminded me of the early preview that had Des saying something to the effect that she wants a man who will stick through the tough times and never give up. I think there was discussion when it aired that it could be foreshadowing that Des will reject a guy who leaves but then tries to come back.

Anyone remember which preview this is from ? TIA

I think maybe BKay speaks about the episode 1 when CH interviews Des (in the beginning of the episode), her past relationships and what she looks for in a man. I remember she made a description of her dreamed man.

Ok thanks. I remember Des tweeting some girl about relationships with the advice "don't settle" so I wonder how she handled taking back a guy who was hesitant and whom she put into the back of a limo at the time he proposed.  
If someone could dig up the exact tweet that would be great.

Here are her words in the 1st episode interview:
"From my past relationships, I know that I do need someone who can communicate to me how they feel, someone I can turn to and know he is going by my side. I just love companionship..."

[Ariela]

Except for the fact that she did have an option to pick the nobody. Yet she carried on after Brooks sat in that limo.
That itself should saying something basic about her.
....
So what does that say about her that she actually continued the "show" with the 2 other men knowing that she made the decision to cut Brooks and then presumably take him back at the end ? That makes no sense to me at all and brings everything into question. Sorry guys but it just does.

Good point about whether Brooks's impending exit is really his decision or Desiree's, though I still think it's possible his exit was by his own impetus.

IF Brooks is F1, then in reality, the scenario you're posting would say "contractual obligations," and like I said in the Media thread, it would speak to the price Desiree was required to pay in exchange for having an obvious F1 in Brooks. Ashley and Ali were required to pay a price and forced to take some hits in exchange for the obvious F1. The option to pick nobody doesn't kick in at F3. It kicks in at the FRC, after the LCDs to showcase the tourism locales negotiated have taken place.

But of course, the show would edit a final storyline that showed 2 good guys trying to and maybe even seeming to succeed in filling the hole in Desiree's heart after Brooks's exit, boosting their candidacy to become F1 or the next Bachelor. Until presto bingo, Brooks has a change of heart (which will create its own credibility issues that that the show may or may not address).

Again, you are correct-the only 2 who were there for Des were Chris and Drew. The future after the show will tell whether Brooks/Des foundation is strong, or they'll break up like everyone else. My opinion for my experience is that IF things aren't right from the beginning, it's only a matter of time that the monster( Brooks' lack of commitment) will rear its head in real life. But I wish them luck. They make a nice couple.

Well, that's if Brooks' supposed lack of commitment in the context of the show is a real lack of commitment, rather than a producer-engineered storyline for drama. The producers do psychological profiles on these contestants and bargain with them on the basis of that. It's definitely possible that they picked up on Brooks's reservations as a fundamental, defining thing that's reason to be skeptical of whether the relationship will work. But it's just as possible they picked up on reservations that can be conveniently trumped up into a storyline a la JP's supposed major jealousy issues during Ashley H's season, and bargained/pushed Brooks's buttons to make his exit/return happen.

I said something similar to your post in some of my previous post.....BUT, I do recall the nervous look on his face during their "clouds/fireworks" date. You can't lie or make up how scared he was discussing their VERBS. The fact that the other guys have said ILY, makes Brooks look bad, however, more realistic about this speed dating show he is ;)
To me, it looked as though he didn't think about this show's ramifications when he signed up. Now he's being cornered, and not ready. That doesn't mean that he's not into Des, but long term is another story. Eh, MF has a way to make the viewers feel good and yucky about this show.

[Rolly]

I think he brought up the verbs because he wanted to have a discussion about where they were at, he said as much and so did she. I think he looked pleasantly surprised that she was "running" and said he was glad she was running. I don't think him not saying ILY makes him look bad at all. It tells me he's thoughtful in making sure he feels it before he says it. People fall in love at different paces and show there love in different ways. Brooks says he loves Des in other ways besides verbally. Catherine didn't say she loved Sean until the LCD and look were they ended up.

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