Fantasy Dates - Screencaps - Discussion

JBF wrote:

ironcat wrote:

albean99 wrote:There's never real evidence nor do we have to prove anything. You can be sure as you like but it doesn't mean we all have to agree. I'm quickly getting over this. I haven't seen any "real" evidence that it's JP either and even if you're right and I'm wrong does it really do any harm?

JP evidence (not proof, nobody has any proof)-

1) RS spoiler
2) Physical chemistry with JP, which with Bachelorettes, usually means the F1 (Meredith, Jillian, Ali, only Trista could be considered the exception).
3) Ashley told JP first, and privately about Bentley. Ben's reaction was barely shown.
4) Ashley's blog said her honest love story began in episode 6; JP had a solo date, Ben was not featured prominently.
5) JP speaks lovingly about Ashley in his vlog, defends her. Ben's vlog is short and emotionless.
6) Ben started (innocently) tweeting with Bach alum girls until he was probably told to cool it. JP totally lying low as to interraction with anybody.
7) Ben reportedly spotted out and about during presumed safehouse weekend; no trace of JP during same timeframe.
8 JP had solo date in episode 3, same as Ed, Roberto, Ian, Ryan, Jerry, Emily. No F1 has ever had first solo date in episode 5.
9) Ben one of CH's "ones to watch"; no F1 ever mentioned, but most F2's are.
10)Promo FRC screencap shows JP arriving later than Ben (I realize this is now being disputed).
11)Ashley's alleged slip, saying JP's name on JKL.


That's all I can think of at the moment, I'm sure there are more. From where I'm sitting, it's pretty one sided, which even I find weird.

And we don't have to agree.

This may not count as "evidence" at all, but it is a "pattern" that is probably not a coincidence.

Unfortunately, Ben is also getting a lot of Final 2 Dumpee editing.

1-Trista's Charlie, Jason, Kiptyn and Chris L. all got to drive a car, jeep or scooter. In Meredith's season, Matt commented on screen that he could see a future with Meredith riding with him in his truck, but I can't remember if he actually drove on a date. They seem to want F2 to look like they have charge of at least one steering wheel or handle. (Side note: In episode #2 of both Ali and Ashley's seasons, Frank and William were not permitted to drive for some reason... or if they did, it was edited out. Because they want to make a point about the lead being "in charge" of those relationships?)
2-All of them, I think, got the words "boyfriend" and "potential husband" directed to them, words not used with final one until after Fantasy Suite time... usually. (Not sure if this one is written in stone, but I have noticed it since Deanna.)
3-Kiptyn got a cute pet discussion as an outtake in Madrid, while Ben discussed doggie talk with her. Now, Roberto and Ali observed a cat eating, but that scene was a bit different... and we actually saw the cat.
4-The narrative comments regarding the group dates and the other guys fits in with both F2 guys and girls. Tenley did some narration in Jake's sason, as did Chantal. Usually F1 only discusses the lead and not the trip... and you may notice that JP's comments about boxing and wedding photo dates are more about his personal anxieties (i.e worrying about what he'll be wearing or fearing to be seen as a coward in boxing). Now, JP did make an indirect Jeff comment (not by name though and he was shown talking to Jeff face to face), but the only times we hear him discuss others is when they threaten his relationship with her (i.e. Ryan and Lucas). On the other hand, Ben plays a stronger narration role, including two discussions about Jeff at episode #2's rose ceremony and episode #3's roast, and comments a bit more on Ryan's behavior.
5-Chris Harrison has praised the F2s more than F1 in print. This always indicates a promotion for next season's lead. Jason, Kiptyn and Chris received equal publicity, even though they didn't all take the role.
6-Usually F2 gets the flawless hometown date. We shall see what happens here. They are seeking a candidate for Bachelor and want viewers to feel comfort with his background.
7-F2 tends to be more "stable" than F1 in the case of the Bachelorette seasons. (Less so with Bachelor.) Now, this season, they couldn't do much with Jordan... he is too good to be true and they are grasping for straws. Instead, we are getting the Ashley-is-totally-insecure-that-he-may-leave-her edit.

Sorry... guess this belongs on the editing thread and not here.

emusha wrote:
Roberto drove the jet-ski in the LCD date

Samantharose wrote:

albean99 wrote:

bing2262 wrote:I always considered RS spoilers to be a source of good information but not the gospel truth. He picked Chantal very early on, but my observations and intuition about Band E plus Brad's blogs led me to pick Emily after ep 3, and then was solidified by the fridge gate snd the Anguilla blog.
For Ashley's season,I am also basing my conclusion that JP is the F1 based on what I have seen with their interaction and Ashley's blogs and other interviews.I can see that JP is already on 3rd base,while Ben is only on 1st base at this point in the season.

I don't believe JP's at "3rd base". Ashley made it clear that she was beginning to have strong feelings for him but the 1st date didn't seem to make much of an impression because of where her mind was at. I also think that we need to see her with Ben at his 2nd 1 on 1 before we compare.

Oh I definitely think JP is at 3rd base just off that tram ride! Plus when she kissed him after giving him the rose on that date, she slides her hand down his neck and inside his shirt collar resting her hand there for another kiss. Kind of an intimate gesture imo.

Shoesies wrote:

Samantharose wrote:

albean99 wrote:

bing2262 wrote:I always considered RS spoilers to be a source of good information but not the gospel truth. He picked Chantal very early on, but my observations and intuition about Band E plus Brad's blogs led me to pick Emily after ep 3, and then was solidified by the fridge gate snd the Anguilla blog.
For Ashley's season,I am also basing my conclusion that JP is the F1 based on what I have seen with their interaction and Ashley's blogs and other interviews.I can see that JP is already on 3rd base,while Ben is only on 1st base at this point in the season.

I don't believe JP's at "3rd base". Ashley made it clear that she was beginning to have strong feelings for him but the 1st date didn't seem to make much of an impression because of where her mind was at. I also think that we need to see her with Ben at his 2nd 1 on 1 before we compare.

Oh I definitely think JP is at 3rd base just off that tram ride! Plus when she kissed him after giving him the rose on that date, she slides her hand down his neck and inside his shirt collar resting her hand there for another kiss. Kind of an intimate gesture imo.

Yes, I am thinking when JP smushed her against the window on the tram and leaned around and kissed her...*ahem* that was pretty much there.

Pattycake92 wrote:I remember last year when Capegal saw Chris over the July 4th weekend that it pretty much sealed the deal that he couldn't be F1. I feel the same about Ben this time. Add that to the fact that she seems crazy in love with JP (hug me)and can't keep her hands off him. I still think she'll have a tough time letting Ben go because she does really like him. It's not going to be as easy a decision as some think but I'm pretty certain that she is very happy with her choice!

pavalygurl wrote:

Pattycake92 wrote:I remember last year when Capegal saw Chris over the July 4th weekend that it pretty much sealed the deal that he couldn't be F1. I feel the same about Ben this time. Add that to the fact that she seems crazy in love with JP (hug me)and can't keep her hands off him. I still think she'll have a tough time letting Ben go because she does really like him. It's not going to be as easy a decision as some think but I'm pretty certain that she is very happy with her choice!

Hi Pattycake: I really am not trying to be arguementative. When Capegal saw Chris, she was one of us who we knew and trusted. We know ANYONE can go on twitter and say ANYTHING. It doesn't matter if they live in the same city as Ben, JP or whoever. It doesn't mean they are correct. They may think it is Ben, JP or whoever, or they may be messing with us. I guess I am just saying, let's take it into account, but not hold it as evidence.


And really, I am happy either way for Ben. If he loves Ash and she picks him, terrific. If he loves Ash and she picks JP, good for them and I think Ben will get over it. If either is TB, go for it. If either decides to walk away from the franchise and find love on their own, I hope we are able to know and share in their news, like we got to do with Chris and Peyton.

I am feeling we need more screencaps and to see tomorrow's episode. Two weeks in between episodes is too long. We have time to get antsy.

Alanna wrote:Patty, ITA with you. I ignored every single sign with Chris and I'm not going to do it again. Anyway, I think her decision will be easy in the sense that she knows who she's in love with but it'll really, really suck for her to hurt a nice, good guy like Ben. She'll cry and moan and cause a lot of drama but post-show she'll say what Ali said- they never moved past the friends stage.

mnmhughes wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:

Pattycake92 wrote:I remember last year when Capegal saw Chris over the July 4th weekend that it pretty much sealed the deal that he couldn't be F1. I feel the same about Ben this time. Add that to the fact that she seems crazy in love with JP (hug me)and can't keep her hands off him. I still think she'll have a tough time letting Ben go because she does really like him. It's not going to be as easy a decision as some think but I'm pretty certain that she is very happy with her choice!

Hi Pattycake: I really am not trying to be arguementative. When Capegal saw Chris, she was one of us who we knew and trusted. We know ANYONE can go on twitter and say ANYTHING. It doesn't matter if they live in the same city as Ben, JP or whoever. It doesn't mean they are correct. They may think it is Ben, JP or whoever, or they may be messing with us. I guess I am just saying, let's take it into account, but not hold it as evidence.


And really, I am happy either way for Ben. If he loves Ash and she picks him, terrific. If he loves Ash and she picks JP, good for them and I think Ben will get over it. If either is TB, go for it. If either decides to walk away from the franchise and find love on their own, I hope we are able to know and share in their news, like we got to do with Chris and Peyton.

I am feeling we need more screencaps and to see tomorrow's episode. Two weeks in between episodes is too long. We have time to get antsy.

The two week wait was awful! I'm just glad we won't be wasting another whole week with the dumb MTA episode too!