Bachelorette 7 - THE EDIT - Discussion

nutty1 wrote:That's interesting. Could Fleiss be that evil that he purposely set out to make RS look like a fool?? YES!

onlyme wrote:

nutty1 wrote:That's interesting. Could Fleiss be that evil that he purposely set out to make RS look like a fool?? YES!

The problem is, if they continue to mess with RS (he hasn't been wrong yet as to who the last two are) we will just go with the opposite of what RS says. At some point Fleiss will have to let RS get it right to keep us guessing each season.

nutty1 wrote:

onlyme wrote:

nutty1 wrote:That's interesting. Could Fleiss be that evil that he purposely set out to make RS look like a fool?? YES!

The problem is, if they continue to mess with RS (he hasn't been wrong yet as to who the last two are) we will just go with the opposite of what RS says. At some point Fleiss will have to let RS get it right to keep us guessing each season.

But the key is, we will never really know for sure!!

jelle wrote:I have thought from the beginning this was a straight forward edit, and nothing has changed my mind.

I believe they get 26 people, throw them in a confined area and watch the fireworks. Sometimes they get lucky and their casting hunches play out, sometimes they can induce some good/great moments.

I think Ashley was fortunate that she had some great guys, and she could narrow down the ones she liked rather quickly and discard the rest.

Bentley would have departed when he did whether it was his decision or production. No way were they going to let him scam the show. But he was a great obstacle to throw in Ashley's path and get everyone riled up.

By the time they started travelling, JP was at the top of Ashley's list and everything else was simply a divesion - roadblocks along the way, potholes along the tunpike - leading to the finale. JP rescues the princess all through the show. They could have ended the show at Phuket and made the rest a travelogue - "Travels with Ashley and JP."

IMO

mnmhughes wrote:

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ironcat wrote:

meauxwalk wrote:

Reidiscool wrote:When you think about it the editors have been rather clever this season, JP's edit has shades of Chantal and Ben is now getting shades of CL's edit. Both were F2s.

Mike Fleiss if you are reading this...ILU.... for keeping me hooked until the end!

From an editing and storytelling standpoint, I think it fits that the F2 guys are both edited as "F2."

It fits with Ashley's early statements that Bentley was her early F1 pick. For nearly 6 episodes, Bentley was shoved down our throats; Ashley was all about him. We are told that production "nearly stopped" when he left (whether it really did or not) because she was so devastated. Perhaps TPTB are trying to give the impression that, despite her 'closure,' Bentley is still F1--that when he walked away, there were only 'F2's' left.

Having both men go into the FRC with a F2 edit creates doubt that she picks/leaves with anyone (since it implies that there is no F1). This also corresponds to the brief FRC previews that we are getting of her running after someone and saying that the day was ruined.

My question is why is the edit so odd? In some ways, it seems similar to Brad II, where all the previews insinuated that he left alone again, while we were being shown him pursuing Emily. This season we have previews that give the impression that Ashley is alone, and yet we are being shown serious physical chemistry with JP and a budding romance with sensitive Ben. I doubt that Ashley leaves alone, so is this just an attempt to fool everyone, or is it pointing to something else?

Well, maybe this accounts for the wonky edit, and we can all agree that since she did pick someone (we all do agree on this by now, don't we?), the edit was purposely misleading in the case of one guy. I guess we'll continue to debate which guy until the bitter end.

I still think that the original plan was to continue with the Bentley drama (ie, the misconception that Bentley really was the F1) until the very end, and then they had to regroup when the audience abandoned them in droves due to massive backlash against their lead. With Bentley out of the picture as a plot point, and JP already halfway through a F2 edit, while Ben was halfway through a F3 edit, this mishmash is what resulted.

I kind of have to agree that the original plan was to have the Bentley drama last until the last episode. The problem was that it backfired on them and they had to change the plan. Her "FU Bentley" ITM was obviously filmed after the season had already wrapped up production. Her hair and makeup were completely different in it. They had to film it in order to get rid of the storyline for good and redeem Ashley. If the whole Bentley drama hadn't backfired, we would've seen a differently edited conversation with him in Hong Kong, and then probably a whole slew of voice overs the whole season with her still pining over Bentley and how she doesn't think this whole process is going to work for her. I say thank goodness that whole thing backfired. :laughingoutlou

I don't know that it would have gone on the whole season, but at least HTD's. They made a point of showing Ashley saying, "Who?" when CH brought him up in the last episode.

jelle wrote:I have thought from the beginning this was a straight forward edit, and nothing has changed my mind.

I believe they get 26 people, throw them in a confined area and watch the fireworks. Sometimes they get lucky and their casting hunches play out, sometimes they can induce some good/great moments.

I think Ashley was fortunate that she had some great guys, and she could narrow down the ones she liked rather quickly and discard the rest.

Bentley would have departed when he did whether it was his decision or production. No way were they going to let him scam the show. But he was a great obstacle to throw in Ashley's path and get everyone riled up.

By the time they started travelling, JP was at the top of Ashley's list and everything else was simply a divesion - roadblocks along the way, potholes along the tunpike - leading to the finale. JP rescues the princess all through the show. They could have ended the show at Phuket and made the rest a travelogue - "Travels with Ashley and JP."

IMO

jelle wrote:I have thought from the beginning this was a straight forward edit, and nothing has changed my mind.

I believe they get 26 people, throw them in a confined area and watch the fireworks. Sometimes they get lucky and their casting hunches play out, sometimes they can induce some good/great moments.

I think Ashley was fortunate that she had some great guys, and she could narrow down the ones she liked rather quickly and discard the rest.

Bentley would have departed when he did whether it was his decision or production. No way were they going to let him scam the show. But he was a great obstacle to throw in Ashley's path and get everyone riled up.

By the time they started travelling, JP was at the top of Ashley's list and everything else was simply a divesion - roadblocks along the way, potholes along the tunpike - leading to the finale. JP rescues the princess all through the show. They could have ended the show at Phuket and made the rest a travelogue - "Travels with Ashley and JP."

IMO

jelle wrote:I have thought from the beginning this was a straight forward edit, and nothing has changed my mind.

I believe they get 26 people, throw them in a confined area and watch the fireworks. Sometimes they get lucky and their casting hunches play out, sometimes they can induce some good/great moments.

I think Ashley was fortunate that she had some great guys, and she could narrow down the ones she liked rather quickly and discard the rest.

Bentley would have departed when he did whether it was his decision or production. No way were they going to let him scam the show. But he was a great obstacle to throw in Ashley's path and get everyone riled up.

By the time they started travelling, JP was at the top of Ashley's list and everything else was simply a divesion - roadblocks along the way, potholes along the tunpike - leading to the finale. JP rescues the princess all through the show. They could have ended the show at Phuket and made the rest a travelogue - "Travels with Ashley and JP."

IMO

ironcat wrote:

Reidiscool wrote:The shortness of JPs 1-1s and his HTD, his competitive edit and Ash's incessant reminders of looking for REAL and not trying to "win" her lead me to think that JP was always going to be her her F2. The Bentley crap, the less than stellar edit of JP, and Ash choosing him against her families wishes just doesn't make sense to me for a JP F1. It is just smoke and mirrors for the audience to think that Ash's picker is broken. She fell for the cad Bentley and now she's going to fall for JP, despite the edited jealousy warnings and the family disapproval.

Here's the thing though. The majority of the audience won't think Ashley's picker is broken if she chooses JP. This idea that he has gotten such a bad edit is only in the opinions of some sleuthers who analyze the edit, but it isn't scaring off the majority of viewers who aren't so alarmed by all of JP's supposed flaws. And I can already predict that in the matchup between Ash's sister and JP, the overall audience will side with JP, and it will probably only make him more endearing to them.

Comparing JP's situation with Kirsten from the Firestone season is problematic. Kirsten was a true villain that whole season, and NOBODY was rooting for her. When she finally got her comeuppance at the hands of Andrew's brother, the viewers cheered. That was exactly the edit the producers were going for. If they are trying to duplicate that reaction this season, they will have failed miserably.