Bachelorette 7 - THE EDIT - Discussion

bluwavz wrote:

anders wrote:ya know what - I see MF throwing this entire season under the bus- we've got a very insecure lead, who questions her decision making process (read: Bentley, Lucas and Ryan) and our supposed F1 getting a less than stellar edit.

When was that last time we got a season where MF threw both his lead and F1 under the bus?? Ever? Jake got a very good edit, as a stark contrast to Vienna's.

The closest would probably be Jillian and Ed, but even their edits weren't this bad. Much of the dislike of Ed came from outside information.

Yeah.
Ed did not get a bad edit on the show. His stuff was from outside the show which made most us all

He did have that no-eye contact thing which personally drove me crazy but I wouldn't call that a bad edit. That was just the way he was.

:Nod: agreed, going by show only Ed and Jill got good enough edits - it was all the real life crap surrounding Ed that was maginified, and peeps couldn't understand why Jilly chose that and seemingly chose to ignore it.

anders wrote: :Nod: agreed, going by show only Ed and Jill got good enough edits - it was all the real life crap surrounding Ed that was maginified, and peeps couldn't understand why Jilly chose that and seemingly chose to ignore it.

But there was that Erectile dysfunction overtone to their FD and the soft porn massage scenes. Whoops.....my breakfast is about to make a second appearance!

They also chose to add that unaired footage at the MTA of a very drunk Ed stumbling about. Don't think that made him look too good.

ironcat wrote:They also chose to add that unaired footage at the MTA of a very drunk Ed stumbling about. Don't think that made him look too good.

wasn't Jilly just as drunk in that scene too - is that the one where he picked her up in the hallway??

yeah - like I said 'good enough'. The ED was offset by the rocket launch/volcano eruption during the LCD.

anders wrote:

ironcat wrote:They also chose to add that unaired footage at the MTA of a very drunk Ed stumbling about. Don't think that made him look too good.

wasn't Jilly just as drunk in that scene too - is that the one where he picked her up in the hallway??

yeah - like I said 'good enough'. The ED was offset by the rocket launch/volcano eruption during the LCD.

Also two of the old time sleuthers - and I think jelle was one of them - were discussing how much Jillian was edited as crying as the season played out. I distinctly remember that. Now put it all together with the rest of these things, unfortunately, plus Ed's two women - that part was edited by the way as "Ed had to leave for business reasons", but in truth was he was sent home to take care of the women situation ( "thanks, sdl"), and we had a year that ended in tremendous heartache for Jillian.
In retrospect, the edit on Jillian and Ed were foreshadowing what the producers felt were their chances, I think.

All though most of the female leads cry, like Jillian Ashley is crying frequently. She even cried when she let Lucas go last night, and she said she felt so confident in that decision that she didn't need a cocktail party.

Perhaps another list could be added to cfck2222's master list - Why this season is possibly being thrown under the bus.

Because, as has been discussed, when TPTB don't like the lead during filming or the F1 or the outcome or the realworld viability of the couple then they WILL throw someone or something under the bus.

lavenderred wrote:Perhaps another list could be added to cfck2222's master list - Why this season is possibly being thrown under the bus.

Because, as has been discussed, when TPTB don't like the lead during filming or the F1 or the outcome or the realworld viability of the couple then they WILL throw someone or something under the bus.

I don't think it is much they don't "like" the lead - although I did hear that DeAnna and Jesse got their edits because behind the scene she had been a diva and he had been a pita (pain in the rear). Most of the time, I think the edit points forward to what the producers think might happen in the relationship.
Unfortunately, we did see Emily and Brad having trouble communicating about a child in a relationship on the show, and we saw that play out last night.
I point out that Tessa's edit was her hesitancy, and she was hesitant to move to Hawaii to the point that they finally broke up.
Shayne told Matt that "she was there for him" and not for the publicity, but it came out the day after the FRC that she had a magazine shoot coming out; the timing was too perfect to be anything else.
Who can forget Travis Stork and Sara Stone and her "friends" edit? It turned out that was all they were.....

It goes on and on.. there are other examples.

anders wrote: :Nod: agreed, going by show only Ed and Jill got good enough edits - it was all the real life crap surrounding Ed that was maginified, and peeps couldn't understand why Jilly chose that and seemingly chose to ignore it.

I think JP would take the mad/jealous edit over the erectile dysfunction edit everyday of the week and twice on Sunday

The thing is, JP's jealousy doesn't seem to bother Ashley...in fact, she seemed to like it. And in CH's blog, he made it sound like a good thing too. So imo it doesn't seem like a problem or obstacle for the couple.

Bloomers wrote:

lavenderred wrote:Perhaps another list could be added to cfck2222's master list - Why this season is possibly being thrown under the bus.

Because, as has been discussed, when TPTB don't like the lead during filming or the F1 or the outcome or the realworld viability of the couple then they WILL throw someone or something under the bus.

I don't think it is much they don't "like" the lead - although I did hear that DeAnna and Jesse got their edits because behind the scene she had been a diva and he had been a pita (pain in the rear). Most of the time, I think the edit points forward to what the producers think might happen in the relationship.
Unfortunately, we did see Emily and Brad having trouble communicating about a child in a relationship on the show, and we saw that play out last night.
I point out that Tessa's edit was her hesitancy, and she was hesitant to move to Hawaii to the point that they finally broke up.
Shayne told Matt that "she was there for him" and not for the publicity, but it came out the day after the FRC that she had a magazine shoot coming out; the timing was too perfect to be anything else.
Who can forget Travis Stork and Sara Stone and her "friends" edit? It turned out that was all they were.....

It goes on and on.. there are other examples.

Here's what's confusing about the whole thing - being able to make the distinction between something that's an obstacle for show storyline purposes (that's more self contained to the show) and something that's an edit because it reflects what the producers think will be the reality of the relationship after the show.

For a lot of her season, Ali was a pile of insecurities and she wasn't sure she was good enough for Roberto. Was that what the producers thought would doom the relationship or was that just something that was there as a self-contained storyline for the show? Maybe it was both, or maybe it was one.

My take is it's how the negative/obstacle is showed as being handled on the show that reflects what the producers think. If something is worked through and overcome at the end, then that's shown. If it's not, then that's probably not a good sign in real life. I do agree with proudmommy50810 that it's probably a good sign for JP that Ashley defended him and CH was very understanding about it too, both casting his feelings as basically a good thing.

On another note I want to say the previews for next week were very interesting for me. Not that they showed much but I saw a big red flag for Ben F and now that I think about it, I saw a potential F2 storyline for JP. I already posted the red flag I saw for Ben in another thread though I also said I think it'll be dealt with during the episode: the fact that Ben F was so adorably teary in a PI instead of with Ashley made me think they were trying to convey his journey to the audience moreso than to Ashley which to me is a big set up to the next Bachelor. But I have the feeling that red flag may be retracted when we see the episode. For JP I was very interested to see the ghost of his past relationships brought up by both Ashley and his mother. As Norcalgirl pointed out, this could be a way of setting him up for another broken heart which will make everybody want to see him as the next Bachelor. Or it could be a way of them showing why his relationship with Ashley is right though his previous ones weren't. I'm very interested again to see how the issue is handled on the actual episode because it's the next step in the evolution of the edit. Ben F's edit is him in blossoming mode (but is the relationship also blossoming?). JP's edit puts him in a situation where either they're putting the brakes on the explosive growth of his relationship with Ashley or they're going to show the relationship's further maturation.

Pattycake92 wrote:

anders wrote: :Nod: agreed, going by show only Ed and Jill got good enough edits - it was all the real life crap surrounding Ed that was maginified, and peeps couldn't understand why Jilly chose that and seemingly chose to ignore it.

I think JP would take the mad/jealous edit over the erectile dysfunction edit everyday of the week and twice on Sunday

HAHA! love this.