Re: The Bachelor 17 - General Discussion - Thread #1

[renaissance]

Just to help you "ladies" clear the air a bit. Lesley twitted on Thursday that Portugal must be paradise because she was yet to see a bug, or something close to that. She deleted this tweet a couple of minutes later.

@julztocker tweeted to @clmgiudici on same day, to (paraphrase) "have fun on your trip, see you when you get back" He also deleted after Catherine followed him (maybe to DM him to delete?!).

You can make your inferences from this.

PS. It makes more sense for Jackie to be there (in Portugal). According to Des, she was closest to Jackie while she was in the house.

how do you know about the deleted tweet by the julztocker guy

[charriotoffire]

Wasn't there someone who asked on the JASH's thread about Ash-Bentley recently? She rewatched Ash's season and she thought Ash was really into Bentley. Uhhuh, a sincere observation even after Jash got married. These stuff including Ash still into Ben, JP's "temper", seeing his ex and other "speculations" are Jash and their fans like me had to deal with! As I've been saying all the time, it's normal to be skeptic about a Bach couple. Who thought Ali and Roberto would break up? I'm just comforted Jash got married despite the doomsayers say they wouldn't. SeanCat? Maybe they will make it, maybe they won't. So far, what am seeing is what I've seen with Jash. I don't see any "forced" display of affection. Imma enjoy them and hope they make it just as I did Jash after their season.

Jash and Sean/Catherine can't be compared cause JP is totally totally devoted to Ashley. No DWTS, no confusion between F1/F2, no family in his part that doubts her, she doesnt need to uproot, no hydroxycut etc etc. Ashley completely got JP eating off of her hand. The reason why these tabloid rumors are gaining ground is because fans can see how these things are possible. With Jash, there are no 'They have Broken Up' rumors. There are no 'He's a Swellhead, Diva etc".

And I didn't see Ali and Roberto lasting in any way shape or form. They were in lust with each other I can see it, but its not stuff for happily ever after.

I guess what really makes the tabloid rumors stick is that the relationship is too unbalanced, too rushed and sometimes over the top IMHO. Unbalanced cause he is not giving up anything, while she gave up all. Her identity, her job, her past etc etc. Sean is either over the top in his actions or in situations where he is not conscious, its not there totally, the forgetting to open Catherine's door and driving off before her getting her seatbelt on come to mind. He looks like he is spreading himself thin.

And the total lack of physical passion, is just hard to imagine. This is usually the stage where you can't stand not being with your intended, waking up next to her in the morning, looking at her eyes, lounging around in your underwear watchhing tv and making love again. Haha.. sorry Im getting carried away. Sean wont even give her that. He might not believe in it, but it doesnt mean she doesn't long for it. Do you guys know how it feels to NOT get any from the man that you love and see him with a hot blonde being seduced on the dance floor? If you know how it feels tell me. Cause I dont know how that feels, all I know is that must SUCK.

JP and Ashley were totally in it for the relationship. Because he had no other options, JP said he is not the winner he is the lucky one or something like that. Sean is not a JP not by a mile.

[Guest]

So Catherine, Jackie and Leslie went to Portugal?

Whoa, it would have been great if Catherine have met Kasey Stewart. If we are talking about perfect on paper, they're probably it.
Kasey is a senior art director of Rosetta, and he is the epitome of a gypsie. Having been to so many countries, skydiving and checking so many stuff
on his bucket list.

And Leslie will be perfect on paper to Mike Garofola, the trial lawyer, both will have stuff to talk about starting with politics..

Jackie could be perfect for anybody how about Zack Kalter??

These things make me wish BP is still not cancelled.

[atem]

So Catherine, Jackie and Leslie went to Portugal?

Whoa, it would have been great if Catherine have met Kasey Stewart. If we are talking about perfect on paper, they're probably it.
Kasey is an senior art director of Rosetta, and he is the epitome of a gypsie. Having flown to so many countries, skydiving and checking so many stuff
on his bucket list.

And Leslie will be perfect on paper to Mike Garofola, the trial lawyer, both will have stuff to talk about starting with politics..

Jackie could be perfect for anybody how about Zack Kalter??

These things make me wish BP is still not cancelled.

Those guys may not be there though for them to meet and Lesley's already dating someone, I think.

[julychild]

Just to help you "ladies" clear the air a bit. Lesley twitted on Thursday that Portugal must be paradise because she was yet to see a bug, or something close to that. She deleted this tweet a couple of minutes later.

@julztocker tweeted to @clmgiudici on same day, to (paraphrase) "have fun on your trip, see you when you get back" He also deleted after Catherine followed him (maybe to DM him to delete?!).

You can make your inferences from this.

PS. It makes more sense for Jackie to be there (in Portugal). According to Des, she was closest to Jackie while she was in the house.

how do you know about the deleted tweet by the julztocker guy

Sorry, should have explained. I follow him on twitter, he is now a member of the DWTS troupe.

[california90]

So Catherine, Jackie and Leslie went to Portugal?

Whoa, it would have been great if Catherine have met Kasey Stewart. If we are talking about perfect on paper, they're probably it.
Kasey is a senior art director of Rosetta, and he is the epitome of a gypsie. Having been to so many countries, skydiving and checking so many stuff
on his bucket list.

And Leslie will be perfect on paper to Mike Garofola, the trial lawyer, both will have stuff to talk about starting with politics..

Jackie could be perfect for anybody how about Zack Kalter??

These things make me wish BP is still not cancelled.

Right?! But a ton of Sean's ladies are in LA so I can guarantee you they will be all on Des's rejects and vice versa once the show ends.

[Guest]

So Catherine, Jackie and Leslie went to Portugal?

Whoa, it would have been great if Catherine have met Kasey Stewart. If we are talking about perfect on paper, they're probably it.
Kasey is a senior art director of Rosetta, and he is the epitome of a gypsie. Having been to so many countries, skydiving and checking so many stuff
on his bucket list.

And Leslie will be perfect on paper to Mike Garofola, the trial lawyer, both will have stuff to talk about starting with politics..

Jackie could be perfect for anybody how about Zack Kalter??

These things make me wish BP is still not cancelled.

Right?! But a ton of Sean's ladies are in LA so I can guarantee you they will be all on Des's rejects and vice versa once the show ends.

Danielle and/or Sarah Herron -- Kasey Stewart (since Catherine is stuck with Sean)

Leslie -- Mike Garofola

Ashlee is already dating Brad good for her

Jackie Parr - Zack Kalder -- they would be beautiful together

Lindsay -- Chris Siegfried

Selma Alameri -- Juan Paolo Galvis (they would be oh so gorgeous together!)

Kacie Boguskie -- Brandon Andreen


If this forum has a matchmaking thread, I'll be all over it

@julztocker tweeted to @clmgiudici on same day, to (paraphrase) "have fun on your trip, see you when you get back" He also deleted after Catherine followed him (maybe to DM him to delete?!).

I saw that tweet too, then she said something about this is the start of our being Bff's or something like that.

[Cari]

Wasn't there someone who asked on the JASH's thread about Ash-Bentley recently? She rewatched Ash's season and she thought Ash was really into Bentley. Uhhuh, a sincere observation even after Jash got married. These stuff including Ash still into Ben, JP's "temper", seeing his ex and other "speculations" are Jash and their fans like me had to deal with! As I've been saying all the time, it's normal to be skeptic about a Bach couple. Who thought Ali and Roberto would break up? I'm just comforted Jash got married despite the doomsayers say they wouldn't. SeanCat? Maybe they will make it, maybe they won't. So far, what am seeing is what I've seen with Jash. I don't see any "forced" display of affection. Imma enjoy them and hope they make it just as I did Jash after their season.

Jash and Sean/Catherine can't be compared cause JP is totally totally devoted to Ashley. No DWTS, no confusion between F1/F2, no family in his part that doubts her, she doesnt need to uproot, no hydroxycut etc etc. Ashley completely got JP eating off of her hand. The reason why these tabloid rumors are gaining ground is because fans can see how these things are possible. With Jash, there are no 'They have Broken Up' rumors. There are no 'He's a Swellhead, Diva etc".

And I didn't see Ali and Roberto lasting in any way shape or form. They were in lust with each other I can see it, but its not stuff for happily ever after.

I guess what really makes the tabloid rumors stick is that the relationship is too unbalanced, too rushed and sometimes over the top IMHO. Unbalanced cause he is not giving up anything, while she gave up all. Her identity, her job, her past etc etc. Sean is either over the top in his actions or in situations where he is not conscious, its not there totally, the forgetting to open Catherine's door and driving off before her getting her seatbelt on come to mind. He looks like he is spreading himself thin.

And the total lack of physical passion, is just hard to imagine. This is usually the stage where you can't stand not being with your intended, waking up next to her in the morning, looking at her eyes, lounging around in your underwear watchhing tv and making love again. Haha.. sorry Im getting carried away. Sean wont even give her that. He might not believe in it, but it doesnt mean she doesn't long for it. Do you guys know how it feels to NOT get any from the man that you love and see him with a hot blonde being seduced on the dance floor? If you know how it feels tell me. Cause I dont know how that feels, all I know is that must SUCK.

JP and Ashley were totally in it for the relationship. Because he had no other options, JP said he is not the winner he is the lucky one or something like that. Sean is not a JP not by a mile.

I am not sure i would be able to express myself well. So for those who will understand my pov, help me out! Haha

You're saying the tabloid writers of Jash (who "exposed" JP's ex, temper, et al) put out rubbish news about them and they just invented what they wrote while these SAME tabloid writers (who wrote about SeanCat's "rocky relationship", divaness, etc) exposed "truth" about SeanCat because they might have "credible sources"? All because Sean is in DWTS and "haven't given up anything for Cat"? Because of this premise, I should not believe what they wrote about Jash (I did not at all!) while I should believe their news on SeanCat? Hmmmm....

it just so happens, Jash was part of the successful couples. BUT before they got married, skeptics have ripped JP's "temper" based on how he was edited. A skeptic/tabloid writer can actually write he's a diva (not Sean!) just based on "what we've seen". A skeptic would have taken JP's tweet as complaining when he tweeted how he had to commute 1 1/2 hours to work in NYC (ash had postgrad studies and they relocated) where he said in 5 minutes he's at work.(he lived in New York for 9 years, I think!) If I wanted to speculate on their status, if I am a skeptic (which I was not), I would say JP who gave up a lot is not happy. I would have taken a pic of him commuting and speculate, "Look! JP is not happy! He's frowning!" (He had pics waiting for a train before). Again, all I am saying is, every couple that comes out will be subject to scrutiny. We will all speculate their shelf life. The same speculation we have are the same speculation of these tabloid writers (they might be lurking! and turn them into cover stories!

Speculating on ANY couple is okay (that is why this forum is great!) but if we will take these same speculations as gospel truth, we have no difference with these tabloid writers.

P.S.

Ash had a backlash because of her FRC with Ben. Jimmy Kimmel even teased her (in front of JP!) because many thought she led on Ben particularly on her LCD. So it happens every season re F1/F2.

[california90]

So Catherine, Jackie and Leslie went to Portugal?

Whoa, it would have been great if Catherine have met Kasey Stewart. If we are talking about perfect on paper, they're probably it.
Kasey is a senior art director of Rosetta, and he is the epitome of a gypsie. Having been to so many countries, skydiving and checking so many stuff
on his bucket list.

And Leslie will be perfect on paper to Mike Garofola, the trial lawyer, both will have stuff to talk about starting with politics..

Jackie could be perfect for anybody how about Zack Kalter??

These things make me wish BP is still not cancelled.

Right?! But a ton of Sean's ladies are in LA so I can guarantee you they will be all on Des's rejects and vice versa once the show ends.

Danielle and/or Sarah Herron -- Kasey Stewart (since Catherine is stuck with Sean)

Leslie -- Mike Garofola

Ashlee is already dating Brad good for her

Jackie Parr - Zack Kalder -- they would be beautiful together

Lindsay -- Chris Siegfried

Selma Alameri -- Juan Paolo Galvis (they would be oh so gorgeous together!)

Kacie Boguskie -- Brandon Andreen


If this forum has a matchmaking thread, I'll be all over it

@julztocker tweeted to @clmgiudici on same day, to (paraphrase) "have fun on your trip, see you when you get back" He also deleted after Catherine followed him (maybe to DM him to delete?!).

I saw that tweet too, then she said something about this is the start of our being Bff's or something like that.

When the show airs, we should do it again!! I'm sure our matches could change once we get to know the boys :Smiley:

[LoveDovez]

So Catherine, Jackie and Leslie went to Portugal?

Whoa, it would have been great if Catherine have met Kasey Stewart. If we are talking about perfect on paper, they're probably it.
Kasey is a senior art director of Rosetta, and he is the epitome of a gypsie. Having been to so many countries, skydiving and checking so many stuff
on his bucket list.

And Leslie will be perfect on paper to Mike Garofola, the trial lawyer, both will have stuff to talk about starting with politics..

Jackie could be perfect for anybody how about Zack Kalter??

These things make me wish BP is still not cancelled.

Right?! But a ton of Sean's ladies are in LA so I can guarantee you they will be all on Des's rejects and vice versa once the show ends.

They'll probably have to beat Arie to it first. LOLOLOL

[terabithia]

In fact there was at least one tabloid article that claimed Ashley had sex with Ben in the fantasy suite (riiight), and JP & Ashley broke up while her season was airing because he was so jealous. (Recently the same tabloid claimed that Sean and Cat broke up while his season was airing, because Cat was jealous of what she saw on TV. Same lies, different names.)

JP was accused of drinking too much in clubs and hitting on women too. The tabloid quoted an anonymous woman warning Ashley about JP trying to pick her up. Uh huh.

Sometimes the tabloids are right, either because they get a legit tip OR the writer claimed a Bach couple was doomed. Looking at the track record of this show, it doesn't take much imagination to make up a story about a Bach couple on the rocks. 1-3 months later they break up and it looks like you had a legit source when really you just fabricated a story about JP trying to pick up a woman. Oops, except JP & Ash didn't break up. If they had called it quits there would be fans to this day repeating that tabloid story like it was gospel and hating JP for it.

I think most of the tabloid gossip is written to give readers a thrill. They cover their bases by printing happy couple stories and unhappy couple stories.

tl;dr: If Sean and Cat break up it doesn't mean the tabloids were working with facts or real insider sources. IMO, it only proves they know the odds of these couples lasting longer than 6 months.

[california90]

So Catherine, Jackie and Leslie went to Portugal?

Whoa, it would have been great if Catherine have met Kasey Stewart. If we are talking about perfect on paper, they're probably it.
Kasey is a senior art director of Rosetta, and he is the epitome of a gypsie. Having been to so many countries, skydiving and checking so many stuff
on his bucket list.

And Leslie will be perfect on paper to Mike Garofola, the trial lawyer, both will have stuff to talk about starting with politics..

Jackie could be perfect for anybody how about Zack Kalter??

These things make me wish BP is still not cancelled.

Right?! But a ton of Sean's ladies are in LA so I can guarantee you they will be all on Des's rejects and vice versa once the show ends.

They'll probably have to beat Arie to it first. LOLOLOL

Arie is already 1 step ahead of them since he dated Selma! LOL

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