Episode 8 (HTD's) - 2/18 - Bachelor 17 - Discussion - Spoilers

P.S. To me he looked nicer in the Leather Jacket than with his shirt off. Not sure if that makes sense to some of you!

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Hah! I think they missed a real opportunity in Montana to have him wear a shearling coat.... the Marlboro man.

I wonder how Catharine felt watching last night, knowing that Sean pretty much did a coin toss to see if her or Desiree were going home? Haven't read the board in a few days... but wondering if everybody is still saying that they could still "see" the love between them on their last few dates????.... cuz after Sean almost eliminating her..... I'm thinking it just didn't exist at the time. Wonder what happened in the FS that got him to changes his mind??

also, how does a guy propose to a girl after liking 2 other girls better than her up until a week or so before he gets down on one knee??? kinda ridiculous to me

Unlike some of Sean's Bachelor predecessors, Sean's not shy about talking. That water passed under the bridge four months ago. It is important how it ends. And how much of what we saw and heard was edited? We just don't know. But I'm pretty sure Catherine knows it by now (and knew before it aired). At the same time, she was able to see the absolute JOY on his face from the filming of the ITM before Sean met Catherine in Seattle until at least the end of the HTD- which just brought up questions to him. Not dealbreakers, but questions to be answered- and they were good ones about dreams. He knew who he wanted to see again- it wasn't a coin toss.

I work with a woman who is unspoiled, she watches with her 2 adult, married daughters.

They think that Ashlee is the one he'll pick in the end. They think that Lindsey is too immature, so he won't pick her, but she'll be in the F2 with Ashley. They also think that Catharine is too young and they have nothing in common and she should have went home yesterday but will go home next week instead. She also said that if for some reason he chooses, Catharine, it's because he doesn't want to pick anybody and he can break up with her easily later. Boy, are they going to be surprised next week!!

jcrbil wrote:Unlike some of Sean's Bachelor predecessors, Sean's not shy about talking. That water passed under the bridge four months ago. It is important how it ends. And how much of what we saw and heard was edited? We just don't know. But I'm pretty sure Catherine knows it by now (and knew before it aired). At the same time, she was able to see the absolute JOY on his face from the filming of the ITM before Sean met Catherine in Seattle until at least the end of the HTD- which just brought up questions to him. Not dealbreakers, but questions to be answered- and they were good ones about dreams. He knew who he wanted to see again- it wasn't a coin toss.

figure of speech... but he was so unsure....after already giving roses to Ash and Lindsey.... so she had to know that his indicision was between her and Desiree. All that stuff he says post show... is just damage control and him trying to rewrite history. We saw how it really played out last night, by his conversation with CH and how he left the room with only 1 rose left. MF isnt' protecting him in the edit.

northernviewer wrote:

jcrbil wrote:Unlike some of Sean's Bachelor predecessors, Sean's not shy about talking. That water passed under the bridge four months ago. It is important how it ends. And how much of what we saw and heard was edited? We just don't know. But I'm pretty sure Catherine knows it by now (and knew before it aired). At the same time, she was able to see the absolute JOY on his face from the filming of the ITM before Sean met Catherine in Seattle until at least the end of the HTD- which just brought up questions to him. Not dealbreakers, but questions to be answered- and they were good ones about dreams. He knew who he wanted to see again- it wasn't a coin toss.

figure of speech... but he was so unsure....after already giving roses to Ash and Lindsey.... so she had to know that his indicision was between her and Desiree. All that stuff he says post show... is just damage control and him trying to rewrite history. We saw how it really played out last night, by his conversation with CH and how he left the room with only 1 rose left. MF isnt' protecting him in the edit.

I agree with you.
They take hours of film during a date or RC for what is shown on tv for 15-20 mins. They could have shown the viewers plenty of plenty to build up his choice of F1. Mucho lovey dovey. If TPTB wanted.
They could have left the "time out" during the RC on the cutting room floor. They could have left out Yawn's repetitive confused state and him saying he did not know who to give the final rose. It was purposely left in.
Why? I have no clue. It was what TPTB wanted. They televise what they want. They leave out want they want.
If Yawn definitely knew what he wanted and there was no conflict of choice--the editing was amazing. Good job PTB because I definitely thought those words came out of his mouth.

Kashathediva wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

jcrbil wrote:Unlike some of Sean's Bachelor predecessors, Sean's not shy about talking. That water passed under the bridge four months ago. It is important how it ends. And how much of what we saw and heard was edited? We just don't know. But I'm pretty sure Catherine knows it by now (and knew before it aired). At the same time, she was able to see the absolute JOY on his face from the filming of the ITM before Sean met Catherine in Seattle until at least the end of the HTD- which just brought up questions to him. Not dealbreakers, but questions to be answered- and they were good ones about dreams. He knew who he wanted to see again- it wasn't a coin toss.

figure of speech... but he was so unsure....after already giving roses to Ash and Lindsey.... so she had to know that his indicision was between her and Desiree. All that stuff he says post show... is just damage control and him trying to rewrite history. We saw how it really played out last night, by his conversation with CH and how he left the room with only 1 rose left. MF isnt' protecting him in the edit.

I agree with you.
They take hours of film during a date or RC for what is shown on tv for 15-20 mins. They could have shown the viewers plenty of plenty to build up his choice of F1. Mucho lovey dovey. If TPTB wanted.
They could have left the "time out" during the RC on the cutting room floor. They could have left out Yawn's repetitive confused state and him saying he did not know who to give the final rose. It was purposely left in.
Why? I have no clue. It was what TPTB wanted. They televise what they want. They leave out want they want.
If Yawn definitely knew what he wanted and there was no conflict of choice--the editing was amazing. Good job PTB because I definitely thought those words came out of his mouth.

that sneaky MF

I don't know how Catherine felt because I am not Catherine. However, as Sean has implied, this was a journey, a process, which led him to his F1 and he hopes she understands this. Catherine is party to far more than we ever will be, she lived it. I am also sure Sean has discussed what happened throughout the filming with Catherine in detail and how it lead him to choose her in the end. I don't think that his statements post show is "damage control" or "rewriting history" for Catherine's benefit, I would think she asked him way before the show started back in Januray the whys and wherefores.

Sean will be the first to tell us- they're making a TV show. Anything that is actually aired- Tierra, indecisiveness, drama, anything to make us turn in next week (and have more people turn in next week) is there for that purpose. Sean is there (I believe sincerely) to find love. "The Bachelor" is there to draw as big a crowd as possible on Monday night.

jcrbil wrote:Sean will be the first to tell us- they're making a TV show. Anything that is actually aired- Tierra, indecisiveness, drama, anything to make us turn in next week (and have more people turn in next week) is there for that purpose. Sean is there (I believe sincerely) to find love. "The Bachelor" is there to draw as big a crowd as possible on Monday night.

I agree that Sean is sincere. I like him, and I like most of the contestants this season. But Sean is over-thinking this. In the past we had bachelors who didn't give the process much thought, and/or didn't seem to care. Now we have Sean who is over-thinking every move. I appreciate this, but there has to be a balance between heart and head. He's listening to his head too much.

northernviewer wrote:I wonder how Catharine felt watching last night, knowing that Sean pretty much did a coin toss to see if her or Desiree were going home? Haven't read the board in a few days... but wondering if everybody is still saying that they could still "see" the love between them on their last few dates????.... cuz after Sean almost eliminating her..... I'm thinking it just didn't exist at the time. Wonder what happened in the FS that got him to changes his mind??

also, how does a guy propose to a girl after liking 2 other girls better than her up until a week or so before he gets down on one knee??? kinda ridiculous to me

I rewatched Sean's goodbye to Dez: He looks like he had been crying during the day or was exhausted by then. There was no light in his eyes. Though he was probably resolute in his choice, I think it was probably one of the hardest ones yet for him. It must have been difficult going from the way he felt for her early on to their dissolve. I'm not sure though that the show didn't intentionally step in by limiting Dez 1:1 time with him.

I do think that everything post-season is intentional to extend the story of the finale and bridge us into the ATFR. When Brad's relationship hit the skids, we started to hear about it in his interviews and press leaks. That example isn't intended to suggest that Cat and Sean have soured, but more to show that the media is another actor in this play. Since Sean was, IMO, one of the best--if not the best--Bachelors that the show had, I think that they want to sell that his season was successful. Nothing that he nor Chris says will contradict that unless tonight Sean reveals some big game changer.

What confused me a bit is that Shay or Harrison or both said that we'd see the love story from HTDs forward. I hope so, and that, if Catherine is his final girl, the angst and issues around them resolve. I wonder if Sean trusts Catherine at this point in filming. Didn't Shay say that there was one girl with whom he had a connection?

Also to add on i remember in the previews he was wearing the same tie as last night ep and he looked upset and said " I think I made a mistake" so i'm pretty sure that had to do with letting des go but they didn't show it.