Episode 7 - 2/11 - Bachelor 17 - Discussion - Spoilers

Well I watch and the only person Sean gushes about is Catherine with this big cat smile

To me the key will be if he cries because of happiness at the FRC, like Brad on Bach Can

Sophie, I think he's all cued up for the tears.... I predict as soon as he sees her walking toward him... smiling all the while.

Sean himself noted that the producers have a show to put on. Yes, it appears to me that Sean is very malleable in what he is showing. He is contributing to the "show" that they are putting on. But to me, that doesn't mean he isn't getting consessions on his side also. We all know how edited and scripted this show is. That also means they can skip, not show, not highlight things the same way they can script things they want to show. Perhaps Sean is going along with the "I am crazy about this woman, I can see her as my wife" but is also getting time to be with the F1 and F2, and actually all the women, in meaningful ways, meaningful conversations that we will never see. TPTB get it all if they have a drama filled show that ends in a love story with a wedding. I believe Sean is sincere in wanting a one engagement, one marriage and maybe MF saw it as a way to get it all. I know that just might be a stretch, but why not? If it doesn't hurt their show, they just might be willing to go along with it. If he and Catherine are really connecting and are getting secure in the relationship they are building because they get time "off camera" the canned scripted lines he delivers won't matter in the end. I don't know what is in his heart, but I hope he and his F1 do. I know...

Ice-9 wrote:

julychild wrote:

Sprite wrote:

chicagoowl wrote:

julychild wrote:I don't care what anyone thinks, but Catherine made a BIG error in judgement by sharing that story about her father knowing fully well it could be aired on tv. It is just WRONG to me and I question her motive!

Well unfortunately Cat can't talk in private with Sean without the cameras there. They are always there. So she was trying to tell him who he would meet if he went to Seattle, and explain why (in the simplest manner she could) her dad wouldn't be there. Everyone including Sean would wonder where her dad is. She didn't divulge this info on their first date, but now that he's meeting her fam and possible proposal in the future, it's important that he know. She even said she didn't want to spend a lot of time talking about it,

I have a feeling this was discussed with her father at some point. Hopefully, before she went on the show, but from what he has been saying, it would indicate that he would not be surprised by this discussion. It kind of reminds me of Jillian's talking about her mom.

All she had to say was that her parents were separated, or whatever, and her father now lives in China. That story could have been saved for the Fantasy suite, if it needed to be told. It's just too intimate and private to share publicly and so easily (even if she was shaking). Think of how her family must feel right now! We all thought it was wrong for the National Enquirer to run the story because we felt it would hurt the family, this is the same to me. Like I said, I consider it to be wrong.

It's one thing when the National Enquirer puts that information out there and it's something completely different when Catherine says it herself. it's her story to tell, and not their's. And frankly, I don't think there was anything embarrassing or hurtful about what she shared. There is nothing shameful about suffering from mental illness. She has no reason to hide anything about her life, especially things that affected her growing up. We have no idea whether her father cares if she shares this with people and I would have no reason to think that he has a problem with it. For many people it helps to talk about things rather than keeping them hidden, maybe their family feels that way...how could any of us know?

We all know how the producers egg these people on to disclose everything about their life. There most likely had been encouragement from behind the scenes for Catherine to go ahead with her story about her dad. I feel like she is a victim to exploitation from these producers. She is out of her element and probably doesn't realize what the implication to her father and family might be. Let's not blame her. We know what this show can do to people.

Longhornfan wrote:

tigertiz wrote:

It has been said that he is one of the best Bachelors that the producers have ever worked with.

I believe it. But think about what that means and what their criteria for "best" would be. It certainly does not match what my criteria are. Just out of curiosity, where did you see that?

I couldn't begin to tell you exactly where I read that, but I THINK that those are words that came out of Chris Harrison's mouth. I don't do twitter, but I also get that idea from twitter (posted on this board by other people) that those are the feelings that the producers and pretty much anyone associated with the show have about Sean.

By "one of the best Bachelors ever", I meant that Sean was easy to work with and was well liked and respected by everyone who worked with him during the filming of his season. This is something that seems to be repeated over and over. And I think that that is also a reflection on some of the more difficult Bachelors in past seasons as well. So, bottom line, I think that it speaks more to Sean's character and overall demeanor. And, yes, the word "best" would be subjective. But then maybe the producers really do think that Sean is (was) the best Bachelor they ever had on the show ??

Well, following Brad and Jake...not sure about how Ben was, yeah, Sean does seem a lot better. He seems low maintenance too. Something that I think he may have in common with Catherine.

happy2bme wrote:

Longhornfan wrote:

tigertiz wrote:

It has been said that he is one of the best Bachelors that the producers have ever worked with.

I believe it. But think about what that means and what their criteria for "best" would be. It certainly does not match what my criteria are. Just out of curiosity, where did you see that?

I couldn't begin to tell you exactly where I read that, but I THINK that those are words that came out of Chris Harrison's mouth. I don't do twitter, but I also get that idea from twitter (posted on this board by other people) that those are the feelings that the producers and pretty much anyone associated with the show have about Sean.

By "one of the best Bachelors ever", I meant that Sean was easy to work with and was well liked and respected by everyone who worked with him during the filming of his season. This is something that seems to be repeated over and over. And I think that that is also a reflection on some of the more difficult Bachelors in past seasons as well. So, bottom line, I think that it speaks more to Sean's character and overall demeanor. And, yes, the word "best" would be subjective. But then maybe the producers really do think that Sean is (was) the best Bachelor they ever had on the show ??

Well, following Brad and Jake...not sure about how Ben was, yeah, Sean does seem a lot better. He seems low maintenance too. Something that I think he may have in common with Catherine.

Fleiss said on twitter that he was one of his all time favorite bachelors and that he remained humble throughout the process. I think Millsy said similar - can't remember exactly what

marriedtoabaritone wrote:

Longhornfan wrote:I am confused by the edit that they are giving Sean. I just don't know how he goes from only wanting to propose to just one woman in his life to actually proposing in such a quick turnaround. He admitted that there was no one woman in St Croix who stood out more than the others. Right now I am just not seeing enough here to warrant a proposal to any of the remaining four women.

After reading Shay's blog last week, I really think Sean is doing a great job "making a show" in addition to falling for Catherine. He seems to have no problem with alcohol, swearing, showing off his body (which Shay says is just poking fun), and keeping producer picks around. And that's fine, TPTB have a show to make. I've wondered if his conversation about not having a front-runner was just part of the storyboard...and he waited to tell his sister his real feelings until the cameras were off and they were just hanging out before the rose ceremony.

I just sincerely hope that if he proposed, he did it with good intentions and is trying to make it work with his F1. I've watched his interview with Priscilla Shirer and I think he's a great guy with a good head on his shoulders, starring in a show that almost completely contradicts his "real" life.

In Shay's blog - she talks about how much off-camera time she and Sean actually had. All we saw was a few seconds of their talking on the beach - but I'm sure hanging out post-RC and on the way back to the USA, Sean would've had enough time to elaborate about all the girls - heck , he even had their photos (cause he took some on their group date ) I'm sure Shay knows waay more than they're letting on... if there's that many people travelling first class like she said, I doubt that confidentiality would've been a problem, the 12 seats or so in first class would have been ALL Bach people, and Sean could've talked no problem. JMO, what Sean was told to say was intended to keep the ambiguity going, because there were still six girls left. If he was truly as unsure as the edit/he seems to say at this point in the show, he honestly had no business proposing - or even asking parents for blessings the next episode.

ninu wrote:

marriedtoabaritone wrote:

Longhornfan wrote:I am confused by the edit that they are giving Sean. I just don't know how he goes from only wanting to propose to just one woman in his life to actually proposing in such a quick turnaround. He admitted that there was no one woman in St Croix who stood out more than the others. Right now I am just not seeing enough here to warrant a proposal to any of the remaining four women.

After reading Shay's blog last week, I really think Sean is doing a great job "making a show" in addition to falling for Catherine. He seems to have no problem with alcohol, swearing, showing off his body (which Shay says is just poking fun), and keeping producer picks around. And that's fine, TPTB have a show to make. I've wondered if his conversation about not having a front-runner was just part of the storyboard...and he waited to tell his sister his real feelings until the cameras were off and they were just hanging out before the rose ceremony.

I just sincerely hope that if he proposed, he did it with good intentions and is trying to make it work with his F1. I've watched his interview with Priscilla Shirer and I think he's a great guy with a good head on his shoulders, starring in a show that almost completely contradicts his "real" life.

In Shay's blog - she talks about how much off-camera time she and Sean actually had. All we saw was a few seconds of their talking on the beach - but I'm sure hanging out post-RC and on the way back to the USA, Sean would've had enough time to elaborate about all the girls - heck , he even had their photos (cause he took some on their group date ) I'm sure Shay knows waay more than they're letting on... if there's that many people travelling first class like she said, I doubt that confidentiality would've been a problem, the 12 seats or so in first class would have been ALL Bach people, and Sean could've talked no problem. JMO, what Sean was told to say was intended to keep the ambiguity going, because there were still six girls left. If he was truly as unsure as the edit/he seems to say at this point in the show, he honestly had no business proposing - or even asking parents for blessings the next episode.

I totally agree--just like when the lead pretends with their family that they really have NO idea which of the final 2 they're leaning toward. All part of the show....

marriedtoabaritone wrote:

ninu wrote:

marriedtoabaritone wrote:

Longhornfan wrote:I am confused by the edit that they are giving Sean. I just don't know how he goes from only wanting to propose to just one woman in his life to actually proposing in such a quick turnaround. He admitted that there was no one woman in St Croix who stood out more than the others. Right now I am just not seeing enough here to warrant a proposal to any of the remaining four women.

After reading Shay's blog last week, I really think Sean is doing a great job "making a show" in addition to falling for Catherine. He seems to have no problem with alcohol, swearing, showing off his body (which Shay says is just poking fun), and keeping producer picks around. And that's fine, TPTB have a show to make. I've wondered if his conversation about not having a front-runner was just part of the storyboard...and he waited to tell his sister his real feelings until the cameras were off and they were just hanging out before the rose ceremony.

I just sincerely hope that if he proposed, he did it with good intentions and is trying to make it work with his F1. I've watched his interview with Priscilla Shirer and I think he's a great guy with a good head on his shoulders, starring in a show that almost completely contradicts his "real" life.

In Shay's blog - she talks about how much off-camera time she and Sean actually had. All we saw was a few seconds of their talking on the beach - but I'm sure hanging out post-RC and on the way back to the USA, Sean would've had enough time to elaborate about all the girls - heck , he even had their photos (cause he took some on their group date ) I'm sure Shay knows waay more than they're letting on... if there's that many people travelling first class like she said, I doubt that confidentiality would've been a problem, the 12 seats or so in first class would have been ALL Bach people, and Sean could've talked no problem. JMO, what Sean was told to say was intended to keep the ambiguity going, because there were still six girls left. If he was truly as unsure as the edit/he seems to say at this point in the show, he honestly had no business proposing - or even asking parents for blessings the next episode.

I totally agree--just like when the lead pretends with their family that they really have NO idea which of the final 2 they're leaning toward. All part of the show....

Shay probably got an earful.... her blog from yesterday and today indicated how much time they had. Shay was interviewed shortly after Sean returned or right when the show started to air and she said she knew everything (except small details) and that Sean had been encouraged to tell at least her everything (after all, she's under contract, too, and she has proven herself to be very close-lipped). She maybe didn't hear everything that first afternoon, but once Tierra left there was no real reason to "bug" their conversation. She said she hung out with Sean and CH between sending Tierra home and the RC too. So quite a bit of time to at least discuss the remaining 5 (or 4)... the ones she might meet later. I don't think Sean would have been able to tip off an F1 at that point, though, because I don't think he knew himself.

jcrbil wrote:

marriedtoabaritone wrote:

ninu wrote:

marriedtoabaritone wrote:

Longhornfan wrote:I am confused by the edit that they are giving Sean. I just don't know how he goes from only wanting to propose to just one woman in his life to actually proposing in such a quick turnaround. He admitted that there was no one woman in St Croix who stood out more than the others. Right now I am just not seeing enough here to warrant a proposal to any of the remaining four women.

After reading Shay's blog last week, I really think Sean is doing a great job "making a show" in addition to falling for Catherine. He seems to have no problem with alcohol, swearing, showing off his body (which Shay says is just poking fun), and keeping producer picks around. And that's fine, TPTB have a show to make. I've wondered if his conversation about not having a front-runner was just part of the storyboard...and he waited to tell his sister his real feelings until the cameras were off and they were just hanging out before the rose ceremony.

I just sincerely hope that if he proposed, he did it with good intentions and is trying to make it work with his F1. I've watched his interview with Priscilla Shirer and I think he's a great guy with a good head on his shoulders, starring in a show that almost completely contradicts his "real" life.

In Shay's blog - she talks about how much off-camera time she and Sean actually had. All we saw was a few seconds of their talking on the beach - but I'm sure hanging out post-RC and on the way back to the USA, Sean would've had enough time to elaborate about all the girls - heck , he even had their photos (cause he took some on their group date ) I'm sure Shay knows waay more than they're letting on... if there's that many people travelling first class like she said, I doubt that confidentiality would've been a problem, the 12 seats or so in first class would have been ALL Bach people, and Sean could've talked no problem. JMO, what Sean was told to say was intended to keep the ambiguity going, because there were still six girls left. If he was truly as unsure as the edit/he seems to say at this point in the show, he honestly had no business proposing - or even asking parents for blessings the next episode.

I totally agree--just like when the lead pretends with their family that they really have NO idea which of the final 2 they're leaning toward. All part of the show....

Shay probably got an earful.... her blog from yesterday and today indicated how much time they had. Shay was interviewed shortly after Sean returned or right when the show started to air and she said she knew everything (except small details) and that Sean had been encouraged to tell at least her everything (after all, she's under contract, too, and she has proven herself to be very close-lipped). She maybe didn't hear everything that first afternoon, but once Tierra left there was no real reason to "bug" their conversation. She said she hung out with Sean and CH between sending Tierra home and the RC too. So quite a bit of time to at least discuss the remaining 5 (or 4)... the ones she might meet later. I don't think Sean would have been able to tip off an F1 at that point, though, because I don't think he knew himself.

I agree that at this point Sean probably didn't consciously know who his F1 was, but what I would love to know after things unfold is whether Shay could see it coming when she talked to him in st croix.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if she could tell more about Sean's inclinations than he could at the time, since they are so close... as a woman she's likely more tuned in to and able to read body language that he may not even be aware of displaying!
That will make for a good story if she could see it that early

Catdwoman50 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

albean99 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:I am all for corn so I am in agreement. What seems disparate to me about this is the time Sean seems to have spent with Desiree during the date. Not sure why he would do that right in Catherine's face (and to top it off with giving the rose to Lindsay) I am sure some of it is edit, albeit we know not completely so given Catherine's comment that it seemed as if she and Lindsay were along for the ride for Sean's and Des's date (paraphrasing). I guess one explanation is what Sean has already said about Catherine - that he sees her as confident and sure about their connection so perhaps he thought she would be okay with it - guess he saw otherwise on Monday night when Catherine admitted that it was hard watching him with Des. (Moral of the story here, in my opinion, is that it doesn't have to be drama when someone admits to having a healthy emotional response.)

The only other rationale I can offer is that, if I have the chronology correct, the group date was prior to his re-grounding time with Shay, he was extremely tired and had not yet begun to sort out his feelings - so perhaps it was one of those - can't see the forest through the trees - she was right under my nose all the time - aha experiences for Sean when he realized that Catherine was the one.

I think Catherine's comment was more about how Desiree was trying to make it her 1 on 1 date with Sean, docnash. Lindsay said that Desiree tried to ride shotgun more than the others. Leslie did the same thing on the GD in Lake Louise. Hopefully the other 2 also got more time with Sean than we saw once they were at the final spot.

Albean, you very well could be right, although I thought Catherine also said that it was hard seeing Sean with Desiree

Well Catherine and Lindsay could have stepped up and flirted with Sean a bit and demanded some of his time. But that was not their style, so Dez was gutsy enough to take most of Sean's time during the date. Because it was hard for Catherine to watch, she pulled back instead - I can't blame her but she could have stepped it up a notch. I think though that these girls are becoming good friends, for Catherine and Lindsay, competing for Sean and causing drama would just make it worst. Sean on the other hand was simply going through the motions was too tired to draw anyone out in particular. JMO

Honestly, Catherine's feelings about the group date reminded me a lot of JP in Taiwan, except that Catherine was waaaay less pissy about the group date than JP was. :Smiley: Plus, considering Sean was operating on 3 hours of sleep the day after a car accident made for a less-than-ideal date for him. I'm actually surprised TPTB didn't postpone production for a day. I know they were working on a tight schedule, but that seemed a bit much.