Episode 7 - 2/11 - Bachelor 17 - Discussion - Spoilers

scarlettudor wrote:Wow, this forum moves quickly! I've been reading like crazy to try to catch up and that's just in ONE thread!

First, about Tierra, I can't imagine how Sean would say to her, 'I've been crazy about you from the beginning.' It should have been more like 'YOU'VE been crazy since the beginning.'

And if she truly wanted to stay in the game, Tierra should have been able to pull it all together and say, 'Me?! Little ole me? You want me to go and meet your sister?' That would have had to have been a big ego boost to her and a sign she was 'high on Sean's priority.'

But, no, she continued with crying face, drumming her heels, and waiting for him to come back after his think. So I think you all are right that Tierra decided to leave prior to and the producers set this up to be dramatic.

No, I don't think Tierra cared a bit about Sean. I think Tierra cares about Tierra and always wants to win.

I also wondered about the spot on her forehead. Anyone else notice? It looked like a rather large round scar. Or maybe a divot. Maybe a car accident. Or someone binging her one on the head for being such a pain!

I do understand why Sean was attracted to her. She's little and cute and she does just beam up at someone she's trying to impress. But the series of sympathy attempts had to get a little old.

If the producers were really trying to make this dramatic, I wish either Sister Shay had a chance at her and totally showed up her evil side and then chewed her up. Or, that Sean had overheard some of her worst antics with the other girls and sent her home on the spot.

It would be interesting to know what ~ if anything ~ is real on this show and what the producers have set up.

livlafluv1 wrote:Just wondering, did anyone notice that on the group date, when they stopped to see the "donkey" the girls called him Ben. :laughingoutlou

Love_Me wrote:

livlafluv1 wrote:Just wondering, did anyone notice that on the group date, when they stopped to see the "donkey" the girls called him Ben. :laughingoutlou

I wondered if the girls named him or if they asked what his name was?

IrishGal wrote:

Love_Me wrote:

livlafluv1 wrote:Just wondering, did anyone notice that on the group date, when they stopped to see the "donkey" the girls called him Ben. :laughingoutlou

I wondered if the girls named him or if they asked what his name was?

Heh. If that's a joke about the last bach, at least at this point in his season the women knew exactly where Ben stood and who he loved. Can't say that about Sean at all. I feel very sorry for Sean's women. Clearly his behavior is very confusing.

livlafluv1 wrote:Just wondering, did anyone notice that on the group date, when they stopped to see the "donkey" the girls called him Ben. :laughingoutlou

mandmmom2 wrote:I personally think the most sensitive and romantic action I've seen of Sean is when him and Catherine were on the beach. She was revealing to him about her dad. She couldn't look at him and he understood why yet he held her, watched her face, rubbed her arm, kissed her temple. I think that is endearing. IMO.

Catdwoman50 wrote:

mandmmom2 wrote:I personally think the most sensitive and romantic action I've seen of Sean is when him and Catherine were on the beach. She was revealing to him about her dad. She couldn't look at him and he understood why yet he held her, watched her face, rubbed her arm, kissed her temple. I think that is endearing. IMO.

ITA. it took me another run through the episode to start getting the story I needed to see from the episode. I paid attention to body language this time around and forced myself to look at the differences in Sean's body language as he interacts with the girls as well as the sincerity in his words. In this episode he was mostly sincere except for Tierra as he was more intent in placating her. Back to Catherine, I believe this is a window into their current level of interaction, hate to be corny but seems kike souls connecting.

docnash14 wrote:

Catdwoman50 wrote:

mandmmom2 wrote:I personally think the most sensitive and romantic action I've seen of Sean is when him and Catherine were on the beach. She was revealing to him about her dad. She couldn't look at him and he understood why yet he held her, watched her face, rubbed her arm, kissed her temple. I think that is endearing. IMO.

ITA. it took me another run through the episode to start getting the story I needed to see from the episode. I paid attention to body language this time around and forced myself to look at the differences in Sean's body language as he interacts with the girls as well as the sincerity in his words. In this episode he was mostly sincere except for Tierra as he was more intent in placating her. Back to Catherine, I believe this is a window into their current level of interaction, hate to be corny but seems kike souls connecting.

I am all for corn so I am in agreement. What seems disparate to me about this is the time Sean seems to have spent with Desiree during the date. Not sure why he would do that right in Catherine's face (and to top it off with giving the rose to Lindsay) I am sure some of it is edit, albeit we know not completely so given Catherine's comment that it seemed as if she and Lindsay were along for the ride for Sean's and Des's date (paraphrasing). I guess one explanation is what Sean has already said about Catherine - that he sees her as confident and sure about their connection so perhaps he thought she would be okay with it - guess he saw otherwise on Monday night when Catherine admitted that it was hard watching him with Des. (Moral of the story here, in my opinion, is that it doesn't have to be drama when someone admits to having a healthy emotional response.)

The only other rationale I can offer is that, if I have the chronology correct, the group date was prior to his re-grounding time with Shay, he was extremely tired and had not yet begun to sort out his feelings - so perhaps it was one of those - can't see the forest through the trees - she was right under my nose all the time - aha experiences for Sean when he realized that Catherine was the one.

albean99 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

Catdwoman50 wrote:

mandmmom2 wrote:I personally think the most sensitive and romantic action I've seen of Sean is when him and Catherine were on the beach. She was revealing to him about her dad. She couldn't look at him and he understood why yet he held her, watched her face, rubbed her arm, kissed her temple. I think that is endearing. IMO.

ITA. it took me another run through the episode to start getting the story I needed to see from the episode. I paid attention to body language this time around and forced myself to look at the differences in Sean's body language as he interacts with the girls as well as the sincerity in his words. In this episode he was mostly sincere except for Tierra as he was more intent in placating her. Back to Catherine, I believe this is a window into their current level of interaction, hate to be corny but seems kike souls connecting.

I am all for corn so I am in agreement. What seems disparate to me about this is the time Sean seems to have spent with Desiree during the date. Not sure why he would do that right in Catherine's face (and to top it off with giving the rose to Lindsay) I am sure some of it is edit, albeit we know not completely so given Catherine's comment that it seemed as if she and Lindsay were along for the ride for Sean's and Des's date (paraphrasing). I guess one explanation is what Sean has already said about Catherine - that he sees her as confident and sure about their connection so perhaps he thought she would be okay with it - guess he saw otherwise on Monday night when Catherine admitted that it was hard watching him with Des. (Moral of the story here, in my opinion, is that it doesn't have to be drama when someone admits to having a healthy emotional response.)

The only other rationale I can offer is that, if I have the chronology correct, the group date was prior to his re-grounding time with Shay, he was extremely tired and had not yet begun to sort out his feelings - so perhaps it was one of those - can't see the forest through the trees - she was right under my nose all the time - aha experiences for Sean when he realized that Catherine was the one.

I think Catherine's comment was more about how Desiree was trying to make it her 1 on 1 date with Sean, docnash. Lindsay said that Desiree tried to ride shotgun more than the others. Leslie did the same thing on the GD in Lake Louise. Hopefully the other 2 also got more time with Sean than we saw once they were at the final spot.

docnash14 wrote:

albean99 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

Catdwoman50 wrote:

mandmmom2 wrote:I personally think the most sensitive and romantic action I've seen of Sean is when him and Catherine were on the beach. She was revealing to him about her dad. She couldn't look at him and he understood why yet he held her, watched her face, rubbed her arm, kissed her temple. I think that is endearing. IMO.

ITA. it took me another run through the episode to start getting the story I needed to see from the episode. I paid attention to body language this time around and forced myself to look at the differences in Sean's body language as he interacts with the girls as well as the sincerity in his words. In this episode he was mostly sincere except for Tierra as he was more intent in placating her. Back to Catherine, I believe this is a window into their current level of interaction, hate to be corny but seems kike souls connecting.

I am all for corn so I am in agreement. What seems disparate to me about this is the time Sean seems to have spent with Desiree during the date. Not sure why he would do that right in Catherine's face (and to top it off with giving the rose to Lindsay) I am sure some of it is edit, albeit we know not completely so given Catherine's comment that it seemed as if she and Lindsay were along for the ride for Sean's and Des's date (paraphrasing). I guess one explanation is what Sean has already said about Catherine - that he sees her as confident and sure about their connection so perhaps he thought she would be okay with it - guess he saw otherwise on Monday night when Catherine admitted that it was hard watching him with Des. (Moral of the story here, in my opinion, is that it doesn't have to be drama when someone admits to having a healthy emotional response.)

The only other rationale I can offer is that, if I have the chronology correct, the group date was prior to his re-grounding time with Shay, he was extremely tired and had not yet begun to sort out his feelings - so perhaps it was one of those - can't see the forest through the trees - she was right under my nose all the time - aha experiences for Sean when he realized that Catherine was the one.

I think Catherine's comment was more about how Desiree was trying to make it her 1 on 1 date with Sean, docnash. Lindsay said that Desiree tried to ride shotgun more than the others. Leslie did the same thing on the GD in Lake Louise. Hopefully the other 2 also got more time with Sean than we saw once they were at the final spot.

Albean, you very well could be right, although I thought Catherine also said that it was hard seeing Sean with Desiree

docnash14 wrote:

albean99 wrote:

docnash14 wrote:I am all for corn so I am in agreement. What seems disparate to me about this is the time Sean seems to have spent with Desiree during the date. Not sure why he would do that right in Catherine's face (and to top it off with giving the rose to Lindsay) I am sure some of it is edit, albeit we know not completely so given Catherine's comment that it seemed as if she and Lindsay were along for the ride for Sean's and Des's date (paraphrasing). I guess one explanation is what Sean has already said about Catherine - that he sees her as confident and sure about their connection so perhaps he thought she would be okay with it - guess he saw otherwise on Monday night when Catherine admitted that it was hard watching him with Des. (Moral of the story here, in my opinion, is that it doesn't have to be drama when someone admits to having a healthy emotional response.)

The only other rationale I can offer is that, if I have the chronology correct, the group date was prior to his re-grounding time with Shay, he was extremely tired and had not yet begun to sort out his feelings - so perhaps it was one of those - can't see the forest through the trees - she was right under my nose all the time - aha experiences for Sean when he realized that Catherine was the one.

I think Catherine's comment was more about how Desiree was trying to make it her 1 on 1 date with Sean, docnash. Lindsay said that Desiree tried to ride shotgun more than the others. Leslie did the same thing on the GD in Lake Louise. Hopefully the other 2 also got more time with Sean than we saw once they were at the final spot.

Albean, you very well could be right, although I thought Catherine also said that it was hard seeing Sean with Desiree