Episode 7 - 2/11 - Bachelor 17 - Discussion - Spoilers

chicagoowl wrote:

julychild wrote:I don't care what anyone thinks, but Catherine made a BIG error in judgement by sharing that story about her father knowing fully well it could be aired on tv. It is just WRONG to me and I question her motive!

Well unfortunately Cat can't talk in private with Sean without the cameras there. They are always there. So she was trying to tell him who he would meet if he went to Seattle, and explain why (in the simplest manner she could) her dad wouldn't be there. Everyone including Sean would wonder where her dad is. She didn't divulge this info on their first date, but now that he's meeting her fam and possible proposal in the future, it's important that he know. She even said she didn't want to spend a lot of time talking about it,

I have a feeling this was discussed with her father at some point. Hopefully, before she went on the show, but from what he has been saying, it would indicate that he would not be surprised by this discussion. It kind of reminds me of Jillian's talking about her mom.

Sprite wrote:

chicagoowl wrote:

julychild wrote:I don't care what anyone thinks, but Catherine made a BIG error in judgement by sharing that story about her father knowing fully well it could be aired on tv. It is just WRONG to me and I question her motive!

Well unfortunately Cat can't talk in private with Sean without the cameras there. They are always there. So she was trying to tell him who he would meet if he went to Seattle, and explain why (in the simplest manner she could) her dad wouldn't be there. Everyone including Sean would wonder where her dad is. She didn't divulge this info on their first date, but now that he's meeting her fam and possible proposal in the future, it's important that he know. She even said she didn't want to spend a lot of time talking about it,

I have a feeling this was discussed with her father at some point. Hopefully, before she went on the show, but from what he has been saying, it would indicate that he would not be surprised by this discussion. It kind of reminds me of Jillian's talking about her mom.

All she had to say was that her parents were separated, or whatever, and her father now lives in China. That story could have been saved for the Fantasy suite, if it needed to be told. It's just too intimate and private to share publicly and so easily (even if she was shaking). Think of how her family must feel right now! We all thought it was wrong for the National Enquirer to run the story because we felt it would hurt the family, this is the same to me. Like I said, I consider it to be wrong.

eunbach12 wrote:
I will say though that I'm bummed Catherine didn't get the GDR! Especially after she made herself so vulnerable. I also feel like his rationale for giving it to Lindsay could easily have applied to Catherine. Is it foolish to hope there was a production-y reason why he didn't give it to Catherine? Sigh.

Yes I believe this gesture could have easily applied to Catherine as well especially if we take this angle: Sean's pattern has been to give the GDR to the "most vulnerable" to the one he thinks needs it most because of one situation or another. It can also be misinterpreted as "pity rose." He wanted Catherine to know that her disclosure didn't leave her vulnerable in his eyes. But, let me be honest, I think he had the hottest kiss or make out with Lindsay - he was so tired, he wasn't really thinking with his head or heart.

julychild wrote:

Sprite wrote:

chicagoowl wrote:

julychild wrote:I don't care what anyone thinks, but Catherine made a BIG error in judgement by sharing that story about her father knowing fully well it could be aired on tv. It is just WRONG to me and I question her motive!

Well unfortunately Cat can't talk in private with Sean without the cameras there. They are always there. So she was trying to tell him who he would meet if he went to Seattle, and explain why (in the simplest manner she could) her dad wouldn't be there. Everyone including Sean would wonder where her dad is. She didn't divulge this info on their first date, but now that he's meeting her fam and possible proposal in the future, it's important that he know. She even said she didn't want to spend a lot of time talking about it,

I have a feeling this was discussed with her father at some point. Hopefully, before she went on the show, but from what he has been saying, it would indicate that he would not be surprised by this discussion. It kind of reminds me of Jillian's talking about her mom.

All she had to say was that her parents were separated, or whatever, and her father now lives in China. That story could have been saved for the Fantasy suite, if it needed to be told. It's just too intimate and private to share publicly and so easily (even if she was shaking). Think of how her family must feel right now! We all thought it was wrong for the National Enquirer to run the story because we felt it would hurt the family, this is the same to me. Like I said, I consider it to be wrong.

It's one thing when the National Enquirer puts that information out there and it's something completely different when Catherine says it herself. it's her story to tell, and not their's. And frankly, I don't think there was anything embarrassing or hurtful about what she shared. There is nothing shameful about suffering from mental illness. She has no reason to hide anything about her life, especially things that affected her growing up. We have no idea whether her father cares if she shares this with people and I would have no reason to think that he has a problem with it. For many people it helps to talk about things rather than keeping them hidden, maybe their family feels that way...how could any of us know?

julychild wrote:

Sprite wrote:

chicagoowl wrote:

julychild wrote:I don't care what anyone thinks, but Catherine made a BIG error in judgement by sharing that story about her father knowing fully well it could be aired on tv. It is just WRONG to me and I question her motive!

Well unfortunately Cat can't talk in private with Sean without the cameras there. They are always there. So she was trying to tell him who he would meet if he went to Seattle, and explain why (in the simplest manner she could) her dad wouldn't be there. Everyone including Sean would wonder where her dad is. She didn't divulge this info on their first date, but now that he's meeting her fam and possible proposal in the future, it's important that he know. She even said she didn't want to spend a lot of time talking about it,

I have a feeling this was discussed with her father at some point. Hopefully, before she went on the show, but from what he has been saying, it would indicate that he would not be surprised by this discussion. It kind of reminds me of Jillian's talking about her mom.

All she had to say was that her parents were separated, or whatever, and her father now lives in China. That story could have been saved for the Fantasy suite, if it needed to be told. It's just too intimate and private to share publicly and so easily (even if she was shaking). Think of how her family must feel right now! We all thought it was wrong for the National Enquirer to run the story because we felt it would hurt the family, this is the same to me. Like I said, I consider it to be wrong.

I see what you are saying but I don't think she would do anything that would hurt her family. I'm sure they know how this show works, the tabloid digging that occurs, and were prepared for what was to come if she made it that far. Plus, Catherine probably figured this was something Sean needed to know before he made the decision to take her to HTD...particularly, since we seem to know now that she had doubts about if they have enough in common.

I think that Catherine has a family that is just as loving, supportive and protective as Sean's. They have probably endured far worse than discussing this on national TV. I don't question her motives. I just think she was trying to be as honest as she could under the circumstances and figured it was best coming from her, under her terms, rather than him being blindsided by the information. I actually admire her and I think Sean does too.

it seems like the producers are pushing the contestants to share more and more traumatic and personal information about themselves. i really don't think they should be expected to share such intimate details of their lives with the entire world.

Ice-9 wrote:

julychild wrote:

Sprite wrote:

chicagoowl wrote:

julychild wrote:I don't care what anyone thinks, but Catherine made a BIG error in judgement by sharing that story about her father knowing fully well it could be aired on tv. It is just WRONG to me and I question her motive!

Well unfortunately Cat can't talk in private with Sean without the cameras there. They are always there. So she was trying to tell him who he would meet if he went to Seattle, and explain why (in the simplest manner she could) her dad wouldn't be there. Everyone including Sean would wonder where her dad is. She didn't divulge this info on their first date, but now that he's meeting her fam and possible proposal in the future, it's important that he know. She even said she didn't want to spend a lot of time talking about it,

I have a feeling this was discussed with her father at some point. Hopefully, before she went on the show, but from what he has been saying, it would indicate that he would not be surprised by this discussion. It kind of reminds me of Jillian's talking about her mom.

All she had to say was that her parents were separated, or whatever, and her father now lives in China. That story could have been saved for the Fantasy suite, if it needed to be told. It's just too intimate and private to share publicly and so easily (even if she was shaking). Think of how her family must feel right now! We all thought it was wrong for the National Enquirer to run the story because we felt it would hurt the family, this is the same to me. Like I said, I consider it to be wrong.

It's one thing when the National Enquirer puts that information out there and it's something completely different when Catherine says it herself. it's her story to tell, and not their's. And frankly, I don't think there was anything embarrassing or hurtful about what she shared. There is nothing shameful about suffering from mental illness. She has no reason to hide anything about her life, especially things that affected her growing up. We have no idea whether her father cares if she shares this with people and I would have no reason to think that he has a problem with it. For many people it helps to talk about things rather than keeping them hidden, maybe their family feels that way...how could any of us know?

aglaea wrote:quote="2observe"]

Cahbr wrote:If only Sean's sister wasn't already married... She'd be an awesome Bachelorette!!

I thought it was interesting that Sean told his sister that none of the ladies stood out to him to possibly propose. I guess Cathernine isn't standing out enough yet,

From Aglaea: That must be so hard to hear for his fiance! I am so disappointed in the lack of a love story - Catherine gets so little screen time and [b]he is saying that he can see himself marrying multiple women. I don't know how Catherine can feel special after all this.[/quote]



I was so excited when the season first started ( when we knew it was Sean ) and as many can attest for, I was one of Sean's biggest fans.

However, in the last couple of weeks I would say I've gone from a super fan to barely a fan at all. I don't like how Sean leads these women on. He DOES NOT have to say the same thing to each woman he talks to. He DOES NOT have to tell each woman he can see them as his wife and/or that he's crazy about them. He CAN'T feel this way about every woman on the show OR if he does he isn't REALLY serious about finding his wife out of this group of women.

Having said that and after watching the way he was with Tierra ( btw I think he knew all along she was causing the drama.) ( She even told as much the night she interrupted his hot tub with Lindsay) I'm now to the point of putting Sean with the select group on Bach's and Ette's that have gone on the show only to get more face time for their careers...... Sure Sean looked and acted sincere the first few episodes, but how many of you can say that the Sean we saw last night was the same Sean we saw in the first few episodes? I wouldn't think there would be many of you.

I'm now to the point that I hope he doesn't pick Catherine because if they haven't been hiding their connection up to now with the editing, how on earth is the editing gonna make me believe Sean went from saying Catherine's NOT standing out in week 7 only to turn around and in less than 2/3 weeks make me think they found a love that's everlasting? I think this season has Jumped the Shark or whatever that saying is. I think it's bombed...

There are so many other things I could say,but I don't want to make it personal about any of the girls, but one thing I will say is I think Sean would have been better off with Wolfie and not wasted any of these girls time or mine... I'm sorry this probably should have been in the editing thread and if so San or Love_ me have my permission to move it there. I am sorry I feel this way, but it's not my fault. It's MF's,. Sean's and the editing department of this whacked out show!!!

ok,.... a couple questions here!

What is Catherine's father's facebook page everyone's talking about? And since he's in China... how does he use fb? doesn't china block fb?

Do we have anyone on this board that knows Catherine personally?

and lastly.... what did National Enquirer write?

ok.... but gotta say... i am glad that the tabloids are pretty quiet this season given how early Catherine's spoiled as the F1, and not much about Sean either... comparing to last season.. wowza about Emily and Jef, every. single. week.

julychild wrote:

Sprite wrote:

chicagoowl wrote:

julychild wrote:I don't care what anyone thinks, but Catherine made a BIG error in judgement by sharing that story about her father knowing fully well it could be aired on tv. It is just WRONG to me and I question her motive!

Well unfortunately Cat can't talk in private with Sean without the cameras there. They are always there. So she was trying to tell him who he would meet if he went to Seattle, and explain why (in the simplest manner she could) her dad wouldn't be there. Everyone including Sean would wonder where her dad is. She didn't divulge this info on their first date, but now that he's meeting her fam and possible proposal in the future, it's important that he know. She even said she didn't want to spend a lot of time talking about it,

I have a feeling this was discussed with her father at some point. Hopefully, before she went on the show, but from what he has been saying, it would indicate that he would not be surprised by this discussion. It kind of reminds me of Jillian's talking about her mom.

All she had to say was that her parents were separated, or whatever, and her father now lives in China. That story could have been saved for the Fantasy suite, if it needed to be told. It's just too intimate and private to share publicly and so easily (even if she was shaking). Think of how her family must feel right now! We all thought it was wrong for the National Enquirer to run the story because we felt it would hurt the family, this is the same to me. Like I said, I consider it to be wrong.

IMO at least she spoke the truth and cleaned up NE's version of it, so I'm glad she spoke of it. Maybe it helped her in some way...It's not like it's the first time the family has ever heard about it. KWIM?.

gabriele wrote:it seems like the producers are pushing the contestants to share more and more traumatic and personal information about themselves. i really don't think they should be expected to share such intimate details of their lives with the entire world.

i wanted to add this: in the US and other western cultures we are very forthright and these days some people do not have a problem sharing personal things publicly. this is not the case in asian cultures, including filipino culture from what i read. they have the notion of "saving face" or not "losing face". both Cat and ashlee looked incredibly uncomfortable sharing the personal things they did. while the producers probably weren't aware of any cultural issues for Cat i think they probably pressured both of them like crazy to share what they did.

Read what Catherine's father posted (on his FB page) over in her thread here on this forum. Sounds like he supports his daughters 100% in whatever they need to do or say about their past with him. Based on what he wrote I don't think there is any need to be worried about fallout. Catherine apologized to him about anything she shared and his reaction to her apology is classy and loving.