Bachelor 25 - Matt James - F1 - F4 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

suzq wrote:Why would Matt take the time to troll Rachael's account by listening to it?  Why would he want people to think he picked her if he didn't actually do that?  Personally, I think that Rachael may have done some questionable/problematic things which is not good at all.  It is the opposite of what you would want from people in general and as an outcome of this.  However, I would like to have a little hope that she and possibly her family/friends can learn something from this.  They have obviously been made aware of what has been said.  I am sure that they were not expecting to deal with this, but it has made them (and some other people they know) cognizant of the fact that a lot of people don't agree and why.  I am not saying that means they will have a long-term relationship or not.  I don't know.  There are other women that he could have picked like Bri, Serena, Michelle who may have been very good choices for him.  However, if he wasn't feeling it with them, then it's better he didn't pick them.  I think it is worse to pick someone that you don't want -- it isn't fair to yourself or them.  I also believe that people can change especially if they have motivation, too.  Maybe that is an optimistic statement -- I don't know.  I am willing to see how it plays out.  All JMO.    

sportsgirl94 wrote:

Amethyst wrote:

luvnunity wrote:This is all a mess!  I’m waiting to see how they try to clean this up!

Yes, it's quite a mess. I don't think her family and friends are helping her case. I think it would be better for Rachael to handle this herself in whatever way she sees fit.

I completely agree with you.  Her friends and family are actually making it worse.  Rachael can address it when the time comes.

The way her family and friends are acting does support what RS said about them telling people Rachael was F1.  I will have to see Rachael and Matt interact more but, as of now, I feel like Rachael is there to win and not for Matt.  

She said something in the first episode that was interesting.  The producers approached her.  This does make me think the producers knew she and her friends had questionable social media activity and recruited her.  I’m sure she applied; they didn’t just randomly go to Cumings, GA to get her.  But, if the producers found the social media activity in question, no doubt they wanted her.  

I hope I am wrong about her and Matt and they genuinely formed a connection.  It’s just women like Bri, Abigail and Serena P. seem like better fits.  JMO.

Thats what I have been saying since day 1.. Everything feels like a game to a few of the girls... its all about winning the F1 position and the incentives that comes with it.. its not about the man.. I am hoping and praying I just read her wrong.. JMO

Ruqibabe wrote:

sportsgirl94 wrote:

Amethyst wrote:

luvnunity wrote:This is all a mess!  I’m waiting to see how they try to clean this up!

Yes, it's quite a mess. I don't think her family and friends are helping her case. I think it would be better for Rachael to handle this herself in whatever way she sees fit.

I completely agree with you.  Her friends and family are actually making it worse.  Rachael can address it when the time comes.

The way her family and friends are acting does support what RS said about them telling people Rachael was F1.  I will have to see Rachael and Matt interact more but, as of now, I feel like Rachael is there to win and not for Matt.  

She said something in the first episode that was interesting.  The producers approached her.  This does make me think the producers knew she and her friends had questionable social media activity and recruited her.  I’m sure she applied; they didn’t just randomly go to Cumings, GA to get her.  But, if the producers found the social media activity in question, no doubt they wanted her.  

I hope I am wrong about her and Matt and they genuinely formed a connection.  It’s just women like Bri, Abigail and Serena P. seem like better fits.  JMO.

Thats what I have been saying since day 1.. Everything feels like a game to a few of the girls... its all about winning the F1 position and the incentives that comes with it.. its not about the man.. I am hoping and praying I just read her wrong.. JMO

I agree with you. I don’t get that feeling from Bri and Abigail for example. I hope I’m wrong about Rachael.

Amethyst wrote:

luvnunity wrote:This is all a mess!  I’m waiting to see how they try to clean this up!

Yes, it's quite a mess. I don't think her family and friends are helping her case. I think it would be better for Rachael to handle this herself in whatever way she sees fit.

This issue would have been very minor, if it had been addressed at the early stage. If this was a personal issue, I would have encouraged Rachael to ignore.. However, racism is a very BIG issue especially in the current political climate... Being called a racist isn't something that should be wished away or ignored, Rachael should have addressed this issue immediately if she was truly innocent.. waiting it out and allowing others to fight her battle is a very bad idea... JMO

@sportsgirl94 Yes... I get that from Rachael a whole lot.. She feeds him everything he wants to hear. The occasional tears . On the first night, she mirrored every freaking thing he said. That was a major red flag. JMO.. WE shall see..

Ruqibabe wrote:@sportsgirl94 Yes... I get that from Rachael a whole lot.. She feeds him everything he wants to hear. The occasional tears . On the first night, she mirrored every freaking thing he said. That was a major red flag. JMO.. WE shall see..

Interesting you should say this. This is something that I noticed as well. I wonder if she did research on him before coming on the show?

Amethyst wrote:

luvnunity wrote:This is all a mess!  I’m waiting to see how they try to clean this up!

Yes, it's quite a mess. I don't think her family and friends are helping her case. I think it would be better for Rachael to handle this herself in whatever way she sees fit.

Her mom's IG activity today (which now includes her defense of Rachael's Halloween costume), almost could make me think that Rachael is not F1 (the problem, of course, is that there's no reason other than Rachael being F1 for Matt to be listening to her Spotify). There's no apology or acceptance of responsibility that Rachael's SM activity was hurtful, just defensive arguments. Given the show's historic problems in the diversity arena and its goals to "do better", would the show want the F1's mom to be making these type of comments? It also seems strange that any F1 would be okay with this approach knowing she eventually will need to acknowledge and apologize for her activity (at ATFR, media tour, etc.). Wouldn't the sincerity of any apology be questioned given her mom's comments? It's just odd given the show's/ABC's goals, the contestants' awareness of these goals this season, and the fact that Rachael must, by now, know that these goals would be inconsistent with her mother's comments and unwillingness to acknowledge the hurt Rachael's SM activity caused. And then there's Matt and the impact on his reputation. These comments don't help him, so it's surprising Rachael's mom would make them if Rachael is F1. So I'm kind of scratching my head at what's going on here. It's certainly messy.

Rachael’s mom’s SM reminds me of Mrs Murray. (Josh Murray from Andi’s season)

IMO, if it walks and quacks like a duck it’s a duck. Too many “coincidences “. Me think Rachaels is F1. Matt’s mom’s follow, she missing friends gathering during an apparent SHV, now the Spotify....I think she’s F1, (until more proofs say she’s not)

mbl wrote:

Amethyst wrote:

luvnunity wrote:This is all a mess!  I’m waiting to see how they try to clean this up!

Yes, it's quite a mess. I don't think her family and friends are helping her case. I think it would be better for Rachael to handle this herself in whatever way she sees fit.

Her mom's IG activity today (which now includes her defense of Rachael's Halloween costume), almost could make me think that Rachael is not F1 (the problem, of course, is that there's no reason other than Rachael being F1 for Matt to be listening to her Spotify). There's no apology or acceptance of responsibility that Rachael's SM activity was hurtful, just defensive arguments. Given the show's historic problems in the diversity arena and its goals to "do better", would the show want the F1's mom to be making these type of comments?  It also seems strange that any F1 would be okay with this approach knowing she eventually will need to acknowledge and apologize for her activity (at ATFR, media tour, etc.).  Wouldn't the sincerity of any apology be questioned given her mom's comments?  It's just odd given the show's/ABC's goals, the contestants' awareness of these goals this season, and the fact that Rachael must, by now, know that these goals would be inconsistent with her mother's comments and unwillingness to acknowledge the hurt Rachael's SM activity caused.  And then there's Matt and the impact on his reputation. These comments don't help him, so it's surprising Rachael's mom would make them if Rachael is F1. So I'm kind of scratching my head at what's going on here. It's certainly messy.

I think Rachael’s mom is trying to defend her daughter knowing there is a ways to go before filming is over. I don’t see Rachael saying anything before then although I think she should. I think Matt’s reputation will be okay only because he will have found out after the show about the social media in question. It will be interesting how he handles it. I don’t think she would be responding if her daughter wasn’t F1. My thinking is this may be causing strain between Matt and Rachael. I do think Matt is going to worry about his reputation after the show.

Rachael’s friends do seem mean; I mean making videos saying don’t mess with the Wolfpack?!

Thanks to all who gave me the condensed version.  What a mess.  I hope Matt has all the info he needs and chooses wisely.  People can learn and grow, but still this is a lot to consider.

Sprite wrote:

Ruqibabe wrote:@sportsgirl94 Yes... I get that from Rachael a whole lot.. She feeds him everything he wants to hear. The occasional tears . On the first night, she mirrored every freaking thing he said. That was a major red flag. JMO.. WE shall see..

Interesting you should say this. This is something that I noticed as well. I wonder if she did research on him before coming on the show?

Yes...    Rachael was well prepared... This is downside of giving the information of the bachelor before casting.. My Analysis and opinions are as follows....
1. The love is love.. Color doesn't matter.. that was for the blackness of the bachelor.. Also known as I know you are black but I am fine with it.. That didn't need to be said if one was truly ok with it.. 
2. I find it hard to open up was the counter for Matt finding it hard to be vunerable.. 
3. They reached out to me was the hard to get card.. I didnt have to be here but I saw your picture and I changed my mind. 
4. The tears during the prayer was for the viewers... It was to show that they align in the religious aspect...  
 Lauren also talked about the prayer touching her but it was in a believable way.. 
 A lot of these girls have frequented the games of rose podcast so they know the right cards to play.. Bri and Abigail would always be held in high esteem in my books because they were themselves..  they arent following any laid out script... Win or loss, they are my amazing..

@sportsgirl94 It might not have been clear but with respect to Matt’s reputation, I was referring to the future if he and Rachael continue to be together after the finale. Making these comments doesn’t seem like the thing you would do if your daughter was in an ongoing relationship with the lead knowing that they will need to distance themselves from these comments.  Do Matt and Rachael want  sponsorships in the future?  I would think so. These comments don’t align with that goal.